Pahalgam Islamic Terror Attack

[Ultraman]

river flow volume in pakistan , from pakistani gov site .

Ravi inside pakistan is completely dry they are not getting any even a single drop from our side

check the value above amristar . its ravi entering pakistan, its showing as water is flowing

 

[maximus777]

If India invades Pakistani territory and remains there for months, Pakistan will likely threaten to use battlefield nuclear weapons on its own soil. India, however, has a clear-cut policy of retaliating with full-fledged nuclear weapons against Pakistan even if Pakistan employs tactical nukes within its own borders— a full-scale nuclear strike by Pakistan on India is never a possibility.

I know what the policy states, but does India have the testicular fortitude is my question! The current govt nor several before them maybe with the exception of 1971 appear to inspire any confidence.

The constitution mandates protecting the territorial integrity of the nation, but then why are parts of J&K and Ladakh still under Pak and PRC occupation for over 6-7 decades?!?

 

[Aaj Ka Hero]

India Suspends Indus Waters Treaty, Shuts Attari Border In Strong Response To Pakistan

The Cabinet Committee on Security - India's top-decision making body on national security has implemented some punishing measures against Pakistan over the "cross-border linkages" that surfaced in the investigation over the terror attack in Kashmir.

www.ndtv.com

Strong response.
More than 25 lives losts, hindu massacre specifically, terrorist calling PM name specifically and mockery of Bharat unimaginable.
But, this is STRONG RESPONSE.
This is what happen, when you give everyone tooooo much loooong rope.

 

[Viper316]

INS Vikrant is deployed close to the area where pak planning to conduct missile test. Believe aircraft carier is escorted by destroyer & frigate.


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[daya]

Why should it not be declared that we would use tactical weapons as and when required. No first use policy be scrapped openly.

 

[notaname]

I want to confirm something with you guys, for IWT is there arny clause where a single party can't leave the treaty? Like even if we want to we can't exit it completely?

@ezsasa @mist_consecutive and others.

@ezsasa @mist_consecutive @Azaad @shade2 and others.
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Found the reason we didn't exit IWT, it's because we really can't legally, asked grok to give all clauses of IWT and found these particular features.
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Key Features and Mechanisms
Water Allocation:
India: 20% of the Indus system’s water (33 MAF from Eastern Rivers).
Pakistan: 80% of the water (135 MAF from Western Rivers).
Permanent Indus Commission: Ensures ongoing cooperation and serves as the first level of dispute resolution.
Dispute Resolution: A three-tier mechanism (PIC, Neutral Expert, Court of Arbitration) has resolved disputes like Baglihar (2007) and Kishenganga (2013).
World Bank’s Role: Acts as a mediator and facilitator, not an arbitrator, and oversees financial and dispute resolution processes.
No Exit Clause: The treaty cannot be unilaterally abrogated; termination requires a new mutually agreed treaty (Article XII(4)).

 

[daya]

India Suspends Indus Waters Treaty, Shuts Attari Border In Strong Response To Pakistan

The Cabinet Committee on Security - India's top-decision making body on national security has implemented some punishing measures against Pakistan over the "cross-border linkages" that surfaced in the investigation over the terror attack in Kashmir.

www.ndtv.com

Strong response.
More than 25 lives losts, hindu massacre specifically, terrorist calling PM name specifically and mockery of Bharat unimaginable.
But, this is STRONG RESPONSE.
This is what happen, when you give everyone tooooo much loooong rope.

Has the government declared that the response is completed and no further action be taken? We should wait for a month at least for penetration in enemy lines or for any other overt/covert operation and its result.

 

[maximus777]

Why should it not be declared that we would use tactical weapons as and when required. No first use policy be scrapped openly.

I think there should be no distinction, we shall use tactical or strategic city busters when we think the situation warrants it. How else will we deter PRC?!?! Only a fear of losing Shanghai or Beijing will keep the lid on during a potential skirmish.

 

[daya]

@ezsasa @mist_consecutive @Azaad @shade2 and others.
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Found the reason we didn't exit IWT, it's because we really can't legally, asked grok to give all clauses of IWT and found these particular features.
__________________
Key Features and Mechanisms
Water Allocation:
India: 20% of the Indus system’s water (33 MAF from Eastern Rivers).
Pakistan: 80% of the water (135 MAF from Western Rivers).
Permanent Indus Commission: Ensures ongoing cooperation and serves as the first level of dispute resolution.
Dispute Resolution: A three-tier mechanism (PIC, Neutral Expert, Court of Arbitration) has resolved disputes like Baglihar (2007) and Kishenganga (2013).
World Bank’s Role: Acts as a mediator and facilitator, not an arbitrator, and oversees financial and dispute resolution processes.
No Exit Clause: The treaty cannot be unilaterally abrogated; termination requires a new mutually agreed treaty (Article XII(4)).

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Treaty me likhne se kuchh nahi hota, agar parties nahi manti to koi kya kar lega...

 

[notaname]

Treaty me likhne se kuchh nahi hota, agar parties nahi manti to koi kya kar lega...

That's what we did yesterday, we just played with words and now we don't have any legal obligation and even if they go to international court.

 

[Azaad]

I want to confirm something with you guys, for IWT is there arny clause where a single party can't leave the treaty? Like even if we want to we can't exit it completely?

@ezsasa @mist_consecutive and others.

Apparently there's no exit clause in the IWT. But the Vienna (?) convention governing international treaties of which I assume most countries of the world including India & Paxtan are signatories has an exit clause under extraordinary circumstances or passage of time as in if a treaty is signed on a particular date as time goes by the circumstances & conditions under which the treaty was signed no longer remains what it was which provides parties with an exit clause either through mutual agreement or unilateral withdrawal.

 

[fire starter]

India Suspends Indus Waters Treaty, Shuts Attari Border In Strong Response To Pakistan

The Cabinet Committee on Security - India's top-decision making body on national security has implemented some punishing measures against Pakistan over the "cross-border linkages" that surfaced in the investigation over the terror attack in Kashmir.

www.ndtv.com

Strong response.
More than 25 lives losts, hindu massacre specifically, terrorist calling PM name specifically and mockery of Bharat unimaginable.
But, this is STRONG RESPONSE.
This is what happen, when you give everyone tooooo much loooong rope.

If it is not followed by military action then chodiji will turn out to be biggest cuck in the history.

All these diplomatic actions are hogwash and regarding IWT I bet it will reinstated within few years due to pressure from porkistan abbu USA.

White pigs will not let their proxy die so easily.

 

[Ajatshatru]

Why should it not be declared that we would use tactical weapons as and when required. No first use policy be scrapped openly.

India doesn’t have tactical nukes, Tactical nuclear weapons are intended for battlefield use. Since Pakistan cannot match the Indian military conventionally, it has adopted a policy of using tactical—or battlefield—nukes. Pakistan developed these weapons knowing that India would never allow it to prepare for a full-fledged nuclear attack.

 

[daya]

I think there should be no distinction, we shall use tactical or strategic city busters when we think the situation warrants it. How else will we deter PRC?!?! Only a fear of losing Shanghai or Beijing will keep the lid during a potential skirmish.

Declaration of NO FIRST USE policy itself shows the fear in mind of decision making people. Our weaponry, we will decide, why should it be amplified that we are adopting NO FIRST USE policy.

 

[sameer]

@ezsasa @mist_consecutive @Azaad @shade2 and others.
-----
Found the reason we didn't exit IWT, it's because we really can't legally, asked grok to give all clauses of IWT and found these particular features.
__________________
Key Features and Mechanisms
Water Allocation:
India: 20% of the Indus system’s water (33 MAF from Eastern Rivers).
Pakistan: 80% of the water (135 MAF from Western Rivers).
Permanent Indus Commission: Ensures ongoing cooperation and serves as the first level of dispute resolution.
Dispute Resolution: A three-tier mechanism (PIC, Neutral Expert, Court of Arbitration) has resolved disputes like Baglihar (2007) and Kishenganga (2013).
World Bank’s Role: Acts as a mediator and facilitator, not an arbitrator, and oversees financial and dispute resolution processes.
No Exit Clause: The treaty cannot be unilaterally abrogated; termination requires a new mutually agreed treaty (Article XII(4)).

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We should go ahead and terminate it. I mean who's gonna enforce it either way, if Pakis bring it up to dispute resolution lol. Trump sahib is gutting whatever's left of the muh "rules based world order".

 

[GaudaNaresh]

India doesn’t have tactical nukes, Tactical nuclear weapons are intended for battlefield use. Since Pakistan cannot match the Indian military conventionally, it has adopted a policy of using tactical—or battlefield—nukes. Pakistan developed these weapons knowing that India would never allow it to prepare for a full-fledged nuclear attack.

any nuke is a tactical nuke. Tactical nuke isnt any special hookum tech.
Nuclear bombs are not always kept loaded. Meaning, nuke package and trigger are not kept assembed on the spot all the time. Especially for mobile field nukes ( the ones on truck-beds, not in silos). which means, every single nuclear bomb has its warhead payload adjustable easily.
What i am trying to say, is if india wanted to fire a tactical nuke at Paki 1st tank battion, a random nuke-equipped Prithvi battery has to call the techician dude in lead sheilding for 30 min and its now a tactical nuke.

PS: Not any nuke, only fission nukes can be modified on the spot like this to be a tactical nuke. You cant modify a hydrogen bomb into a tactical nuke on the spot.

 

[Prasad]

If it is not followed by military action then chodiji will turn out to be biggest cuck in the history.

All these diplomatic actions are hogwash and regarding IWT I bet it will reinstated within few years due to pressure from porkistan abbu USA.

White pigs will not let their proxy die so easily.

The fact that you already chose to abuse even before anyone declared there won't be any military action shows exactly what you are trying to stir.

but then in our country there are a of people waiting on these terrorist attacks to score political points.

If Modi does not do anything then you have a point but now, it's just pathetic.

 

[jaishrikrishna]

India doesn’t have tactical nukes, Tactical nuclear weapons are intended for battlefield use. Since Pakistan cannot match the Indian military conventionally, it has adopted a policy of using tactical—or battlefield—nukes. Pakistan developed these weapons knowing that India would never allow it to prepare for a full-fledged nuclear attack.

Tactical nukes cannot change the outcome of battles much. It is more psyops than actual.

 

[realsumo]

View: https://x.com/YearOfTheKraken/status/1915123615340654923

 

[Hitmanblood]

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We have to remember that after Pakistan got its nuclear weapons(post kargil era), the game completely changed.

Most nuclear nations won't indulge in launching attacks against fellow nuclear countries because of the fear of escalation. Even Russia picks useless minnows like Ukraine/Georgia, they won't dare do their "special military operations" against a nuke armed nation. The same for SK-NK. Despite having the absolute backing of a superpower, SK won't go up the escalation ladder no matter how many provocations and baits Kim launches.

That being said, I agree with you that we've chickened out with Pakistan in the pre nuke era(esp from 72-98). Letting Pakistan get nukes was the greatest strategic mistake we ever did.

Just look at the levels Israelis go to, to deny Iran the bomb. Nearly, all of the leading Iran nuke scientists have been assassinated in the past decade. Granted they probably had Yankee intelligence helping them out, but they still had the conviction and the clarity of thought that "hey, Iran must never ever ever ever get the bomb and we'll do whatever it takes to deny them".

I wonder if our leaders ever have such foresight. We have always been reactive, not proactive.

Those who prepare for war will get peace and those who prepare for peace will get war.

- To avoid killings in street riots we gave away our land to create Pakistan. Hoping this will lead to peace.

- To avoid bloodshed in war we stopped capturing Kashmir midway and went to UN. Hoping for a peaceful resolution.

- To avoid escalations we signed IWT with Pakistan. Hoping this will lead to peace.

- To avoid going to war at that time we allowed Pakistan to openly pursue nuclear weapons. Prioritising peace over war.

- To increase trade we gave Pakis MFN status. Hoping increased trade will create peace.

- To increase people to people contact we started bus and train services. Hoping cultural integration will bring peace.

- We made movies with them and played cricket with them (and still playing) hoping entertainment will bring peace.

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They think we are a soft state because frankly speaking we are one. No other country has tolerated amount of nonsense we are tolerating. Others have gone to full blown war for far less than what we have endured.

Even still we haven't cut all diplomatic relations with Pakistan.

We still haven't committed to Indus water blockade.

We will still do Atari border circus with them.

We will still play international cricket with them.

We are still treating them with normalcy.

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Peace doesn't come from appeasement. It comes from the barrel of a gun.

We Indians need to listen to following speech by Ronald Ragen and memories every word of it. This is what having a spine looks like.


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