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10 years? We won't get 10 weeks.

The amount of disrespect that has started towards Ishita m Pakis, they'll do something very soon to recoup some prestige.

You're right, behind the copes of 70 rafale aur 300 su30 giraye they are all seething, Jernail, Jihadi and Grass-Eater all.

Paternal protection of Abba Amrika has also emboldened them.

Forces must be at full readiness, Govt should also give orders without hesitation
 
How do you know we didn't expect retaliation? Cos he says so? Our fault lies with GoI who hamstrung IAF with restrictions of not doing SEAD DEAD before launching the attacks. That is the point where a huge mistake was made. Any airforce worth its salt expects retaliation. Thats a very general statement
I WAS talking about the GOI mostly, but IAF top brass needs to be called out as well for their failure to stand up against such stupid directives.
 
I'd say wait until we are completely self sufficient and have industrial production. Remember by 2050 we'll have more people than China and USA combined.

Hopefully we get 10 years of peace before Pak start their mischief again.

Why do you believe our enemies will allow us to grow in peace when we are a huge threat to them?

You will see defence deals with the US go down significantly from both sides.
 
10 years? We won't get 10 weeks.

The amount of disrespect that has started towards Ishita m Pakis, they'll do something very soon to recoup some prestige.
The army obviously is. We should remain ready.

But we shouldn't start anything pre-emptively is what I am saying.
 
Why do you believe our enemies will allow us to grow in peace when we are a huge threat to them?

You will see defence deals with the US go down significantly from both sides.
That's why native capacity plus Russian purchases (Russia will not be a superpower but they have the technical infra and know-how from their superpower days and we have the $$$)
 
I WAS talking about the GOI mostly, but IAF top brass needs to be called out as well for their failure to stand up against such stupid directives.
Yeah, most of the top brass seem to be yes men. They could have told that we should not sacrifice our pilots unnecessarily by not taking out enemy AD, and all for what ? Just so some MeA babu can say non-escalatory in a PC ?
 
You're right, behind the copes of 70 rafale aur 300 su30 giraye they are all seething, Jernail, Jihadi and Grass-Eater all.

Paternal protection of Abba Amrika has also emboldened them.

Forces must be at full readiness, Govt should also give orders without hesitation

Budgets for the armed forces can be immediately increased by 0.5% of the GDP and can be thoroughly cancelled out by fuel tax hikes (won't affect the end consumer cuz the prices are already elevated despite falling crude) or selling stakes at some PSUs and will leave zero impact on the fiscal health.

Can a kanjoos govt do it?

Lol, who am I kidding. :bplease:
 
I'd say wait until we are completely self sufficient and have industrial production. Remember by 2050 we'll have more people than China and USA combined.

Hopefully we get 10 years of peace before Pak start their mischief again.
India is way over populated and we are having difficulty with employment generation as it is . The demographic boom can so easily become a demographic bomb .
 
technically we fucked them in 1947 war too. They attacked kingdom of kashmir and all gains they are left with, are before Kashmir's accession to India and India being formally at war with Pakistan. Yes, we moved back and forth a bit and you can call it a tactical stalemate, but its a strategic victory for us : pakistan did not capture capital of Kashmir or majority of it by land or population- we were left with decisive majority of it ( which turned into largest minority after our land share of Kashmir dropped below 50% due to china eating vast aksai chin. most importantly, Paki failure to take ladakh meant we controlled headpoints to ALL paki rivers- even the ones impossible to divert, are still possible for us to fuck with coz it does go through our land.
So first kashmir war is their best performance but still a loss from strategic war parameters :if you attack a smaller nation,which then runs to a bigger nation and becomes part of it and at the end of the war, you fail to take most of this said former tiny nation for yourself, even its capital or most of its people or land, its a total L for you. You failed at your original task and have marginal gains to show for your efforts.
I am a long time lurker in this forum,followed this forum throughout this short war while being on the frontline ,somewhere in JAMMU. I finally had to reply today.

The problem i have with most people here is how easily they ignore the fact that it was never Kingdom of Kashmir, it was OFFFICIALLY then called Kingdom of Jammu,Kashmir and Tibetadi ruled by a Dogra Hindu from Jammu. Kashmir was the smallest province and still is the smaller province of the UT of J&K, as far as landmass is concerned.Jammu is nearly 26000 sq km ,while kashmir 15000 sqkm.

International media houses ,Pakistanis harping state of 'Kashmir' is one thing and understandable because it validates pakistan's claim since kashmir is obviously muslim majority and has many paki sympathisers, who help orchestrate attacks but what i never get is why the well informed people on here do this kashmir kashmir RR and obsession ,it just reiterates PAKI propoganda that kashmir is all that matters ,it is called JAMMU AND KASHMIR.
Jammu is not a district or just Jammu City but a region,full of patriotic indians with majority Hindu population ,spanning 26,000 sq kms,much larger than Kashmir. We were standing on the borders receiving constant attacks for last 4-5 days and cheered on cause we will forever be ready to end the pakistani goat shaggers.
Least you can do is not do kashmir kashmir all the time, its called JAMMU and kashmir ,not kashmir,for the last time.

PS
this was not an attack or arguement with the op of the qouted post,so don't take it personally. It is a general observation.
 
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I WAS talking about the GOI mostly, but IAF top brass needs to be called out as well for their failure to stand up against such stupid directives.

Why do u think any Modi or any babu will
provide any directions for an Air operation,

Once the order goes to strike, no more political involvement is thr none in this Govt.

The operation was entirely planned by military with clear

Escalation Ladder defined

On First rounds…

IAF wanted this to be purely anti terror operation they didnt do any SEAD or DEAD

once it came to military operations everything was done
 
None of what you written is science fiction. By placing SAM's under hardened shelters you are literally giving the enemy enough reason to believe there is something of high value you are hiding there. SAM's are meant to be mobile, they are not meant to stay in the same place. Some big SAM's like the ones which can intercept ballistic missiles are usually kept underground in dense green cover setting. These things are expensive to maintain, pain in the ass actually.

Think about our SSBNs, it carries nukes and it is always hidden lurking under water. Since it's role is defensive it needs to be extra careful where it is going. During conflict it needs to be ready to fire nuclear tipped ballistic missile if the enemy takes out our nuclear missiles and installations. All in all it is stressful to maintain missiles hidden whether it is in submarines sailing underwater or underground. The stressful part here is not so much about financial, it is mainly about command and control. This is the reason US, Russia, France, China build aircrafts to carry nukes. They don't want to be reliant on some under bunker to do the job.
You have skirted the main question.
Can AWACS be used to guide ground launched SAM missiles.

What are the technical challenges to realize that capability. Will the acquisition of this capability offer some advantage.

There are different types of radars ranging from battlefield surveillance radars to massive Over the Horizon radars.
Not all radars are mobile or have to be mobile.

I talked about the enemy destroying Radars installations not taking out SAM'S in isolation.

There are Low Power Radars, Medium Power Radars and High Power Radars etc.

Their search and track range differs.Ranges can vary from a few kilometers to hundreds of kilometers. Not even talking about OTH radars here.

The enemy usually uses Anti Radiation Missiles to take out Medium and High Power Radars.

Would Pakistan not like to take out the Barak 8 or S400 radars thus rendering the Barak 8 missiles inoperative.

Suppose assume that after the main radar is destroyed our airborne AWACS can still guide Barak 8 missiles to counter Pakistani fighters and Air to Surface missiles like the Raad or Babur.

Normally we would have to wait for an replacement radar to make the Barak 8 system work again.

What about the MRSAM systems used to guard IAF Air Bases. The Air Base is a static installation.Do they need highly mobile SAM systems. Assume that the main radar of the Barak 8 system is destroyed. What happens now.

And even mobile radars can be targeted. The anti radiation missiles will follow the direction of the signals.You have to switch off the radar to disrupt the missile seeker. Or use decoys to mislead the seeker.

My question - should we even try to enable our AWACS to guide ground launched SAM's.
In a worst case scenario where the enemy manages to knock out our main radars.

And remember SAM'S are not ICBM's .Why do you need a gigantic launch complex to store and launch SAM'S. I have already said that the launch pads will be quite small and concealed/camouflaged.
 
Indian PM has made his stance clear on live TV with respect to Pakistan. Talks, if any, will happen only on terrorism & return of occupied areas of Kashmir to India.

MEA has also given a clarification that -

1) Kashmir issue is bilateral
2) There will be no talks
3) Pakistan called India

Orange groper can jump up & down all he wants but he is not going a nobel prize for solving Cashmere in one day.

Many shitricans tried but failed.

Without significant weakening of Lunderica, solving the Pakistani terrorist problem once & for all will be difficult.
 
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