Operation Sindoor & Aftermath (73 Viewers)

[jaijaganath]

India lost 3-4 Jets in May 6.Only one is confirmed as Rafale jet.Western media is giving too much coverage to Rafale shot down incident, because They believed Rafale is better than Chinese made jets.As for Russian made jets shot down on May 6, nobody gives shit about them. Because they know Russian jets are not capable as western jets.

First of all rafale which we lost was not due to enemy bvr
Period
Ungalaka ver ethou nambano ninge nambaga
And the reason west focused on rafales because rafale is their competitor and snatching their market be it eurofighter or f-16

 

[snakeeyes07]

View: https://x.com/sidhant/status/1946410025166987452

 

[craigs]

View: https://x.com/sidhant/status/1946410025166987452

Trump's air force lost 2 jets to an adversary without an airforce.

 

[snakeeyes07]

Trump's air force lost 2 jets to an adversary without an airforce.

I think India should not hold Quad summit this year. Do not hold high level public engagement with Trump for some time, just work in the background (use lobbying).

 

[Vinash]

This is just al taqiya … most of these are inbred mullas and if from India vote to anti hindu congress tactically …

blame goes to MODs who allow them

Blame lies with users who can't argue opposing POV's without accusing someone of being a Paki. There are no Pakis on DFB btw at least from Pakistan. We decline registrations from Pak.

I used to think only Left wing had cancel culture warriors. Plenty of so called RW posters who want opposing opinions to be cancelled too.

Not happening. The whole point of having a forum is to see various opinions. This isn't an echo chamber where we circle jerk among people with same opinion.

As for Modi's role in OP Sindoor, both camps are correct.

1) Would Congress have ordered those strikes against Pak as retaliation to Pahalgam?

No. We saw how they chickened out in 2008.

2) Did Modi give unrestrained power to our forces and pummel Pak?

No. We had Pakis on their backs and a more ruthless leader could have gone for the kill. Aircraft losses don't matter (If there were any). Hitting 11 bases of Pak is a huge achievement. Modi shouldn't have held back. Also, we don't know what the Americans promised or threatened to stop Modi from escalating. So, I'll give Modi some benefit of the doubt.

Modi deserves credit for the first part and deserves criticism for the latter part. So, for the time being we have no option but to stick to Modi because the alternatives are even worse.

 

[Tumba]

I think India should not hold Quad summit this year. Do not hold high level public engagement with Trump for some time, just work in the background (use lobbying).

That will be stupidity, its of utmost importance for India to be deeply engaged with USA our biggest trading partner.
Trump is not a technocrat not a diplomat he is just someone who thinks he can pressure India by doing these shenanigans.

One never concede space never

 

[jaijaganath]

Gosh . We can criticize Modi because he came with a promise to tame Pakistan and what he do
He cucked under pressure.
He had 10 years to prepare for a comprehensive strategy to make a example of Pakistan but instead he was busy in giving freebies and giving himself credit
This time around was a golden opportunity to go for kill and declare a full blown war but when orange buffon called he laid in front of him ..

No one is talking about criticizing mudiji
Criticize him on real issues
But to be honest RoE was unnecessary
And termination of operation was foolishness
But apart from that clearance of ops managing shitty America and all other self glorified Europeans was perfect
There many things that happened behind the curtains for which u need approval from PMO

 

[Tumba]

No one is talking about criticizing mudiji
Criticize him on real issues
But to be honest RoE was unnecessary
And termination of operation was foolishness
But apart from that clearance of ops managing shitty America and all other self glorified Europeans was perfect
There many things that happened behind the curtains for which u need approval from PMO

Ppl dont realise how much India has fcked up west by keep importing oil from Russia, its not even completely economy of Russia but the indirect approval of India world’s biggest democracy which has punctured west narrative of democracy vs dictatorship, good vs evil thats fcks west more,
so this was not unusual from west not to support Indian position on pakistan

 

[snakeeyes07]

That will be stupidity, its of utmost importance for India to be deeply engaged with USA our biggest trading partner.
Trump is not a technocrat not a diplomat he is just someone who thinks he can pressure India by doing these shenanigans.

One never concede space never

I am not saying not to engage with United States on range of issues or on the FTA. Just don't engage with Trump personally (stoke his ego) in public by Modi visiting US or him visiting India. Or even having Modi-Trump phone conversations unless there is a crisis.

Engage Trump via backdoor/lobbying, this is what Pakistan was able to do successfully with him. That to me partially explains his attitude difference to India-Pakistan in this term v/s his first term.

If US and Australia doesn't support India in it's dealing with Pakistan (China proxy) then why should India be part of their shenanigans v/s PRC. PRC and India can deal with each other one on one, even if there is a military conflict I don't think Quad is coming to help India kinetically. Intelligence and ISR help will come regardless as US would want to fight and damage PLA to max extent using Indian arms (similar to Ukraine).

Quad might need a cooling off period. I consider Japan separate from US-Australia-UK in India context.

 

[craigs]

The ROE was not to strike military targets first and only take out terror targets

This was a retarded move

Ok Herr Manfred von Richtofen.

 

[Tumba]

I am not saying not to engage with United States on range of issues or on the FTA. Just don't engage with Trump personally (stoke his ego) in public by Modi visiting US or him visiting India. Or even having Modi-Trump phone conversations unless there is a crisis.

Engage Trump via backdoor/lobbying, this is what Pakistan was able to do successfully with him. That to me partially explains his attitude difference to India-Pakistan in this term v/s first term.

If US and Australia doesn't support India in it's dealings with Pakistan (China proxy) then why should India should be part of their shenanigans v/s PRC. PRC and India can deal with each other one on one, even if there is a military conflict I don't Quad to help India kinetically. Intelligence and ISR help will come regardless as US would want to fight and damage PLA to max extent using Indian blood (similar to Ukraine). Quad might need a cooling off period.

First of all without engaging Trump the engagement cant happen, because simply Trump is looking for more and more credit as his Epstein act is backfiring big.
India has engaged Trump which goes both ways, India trade deal is one of the big wins Trump can have and this is kind of India’s leverage on him.

He doesnt know shit about technicalities or frankly is not interested.

Also India has made QUAD more like a toothless all India can get tech access forum

Chinese and pakis both of them India doesnt want any third party although balancing our relations with west and russia has its own leverage for both.

Trump needs bragging rights
India needs technology and share of american supply chains

India will definitely need to concede somewhere and USA will need to concede somewhere otherwise trade deal wont go through but still engagement with Trump admin needs to continue

 

[snakeeyes07]

First of all without engaging Trump the engagement cant happen, because simply Trump is looking for more and more credit as his Epstein act is backfiring big.
India has engaged Trump which goes both ways, India trade deal is one of the big wins Trump can have and this is kind of India’s leverage on him.

He doesnt know shit about technicalities or frankly is not interested.

Also India has made QUAD more like a toothless all India can get tech access forum

Chinese and pakis both of them India doesnt want any third party although balancing our relations with west and russia has its own leverage for both.

Trump needs bragging rights
India needs technology and share of american supply chains

India will definitely need to concede somewhere and USA will need to concede somewhere otherwise trade deal wont go through but still engagement with Trump admin needs to continue

Again IMO there is a difference between engagement with Trump administration and Trump himself.

Vietnam and Indonesia managed to get trade deals signed without their leadership personally engaging (cowering down) with Trump in public. My point is re Modi-Trump 1-1 engagement, you got to convey displeasure and draw a line somewhere.

China got Trump to TACO but I realize India doesn't have the leverage compared to them.

 

[Savageking456]

Gosh . We can criticize Modi because he came with a promise to tame Pakistan and what he do
He cucked under pressure.
He had 10 years to prepare for a comprehensive strategy to make a example of Pakistan but instead he was busy in giving freebies and giving himself credit
This time around was a golden opportunity to go for kill and declare a full blown war but when orange buffon called he laid in front of him ..

He came up to crush terrorism for brief period what he did
9 locations were struck precisely
Many terrorists were killed
Besides PA was also pounded
Are you idiot?
Nobody wants full war,the thing with war is with time it slips out of your control
Other factors could also join like Chongs and other western countries
They use pakjabis as pawn against india
We are that point where our economy will flourish and engaging in war would damage our country.
What changed is now short wars are becoming reality just like israel-iran war
We must take fully advantage of this and pound Pakistan everytime we suspect them

 

[Tumba]

He came up to crush terrorism for brief period what he did
9 locations were struck precisely
Many terrorists were killed
Besides PA was also pounded
Are you idiot?
Nobody wants full war,the thing with war is with time it slips out of your control
Other factors could also join like Chongs and other western countries
They use pakjabis as pawn against india
We are that point where our economy will flourish and engaging in war would damage our country.
What changed is now short wars are becoming reality just like israel-iran war
We must take fully advantage of this and pound Pakistan everytime we suspect them

dont thing pakis can do much damage to economy may be hit few targets in India this will ensure complete destruction of their far and few economic targets.

paki DGMO was literally fearful of Indian strikes on PAC Kamra, thr r just 2 ports in pakistan both of them can be taken out in min and pakis will need decade to rebuild…

 

[FalconSlayers]

dont thing pakis can do much damage to economy may be hit few targets in India this will ensure complete destruction of their far and few economic targets.

paki DGMO was literally fearful of Indian strikes on PAC Kamra, thr r just 2 ports in pakistan both of them can be taken out in min and pakis will need decade to rebuild…

They will attack Jamnagar refinery, kya karega fir? They will attack your semiconductor plants, kya karega fir? They will attack L&T Hazira, kya karega fir? It isn't worth expending national assets over a worthless failed terrorist state.

 

[Tumba]

They will attack Jamnagar refinery, kya karega fir? They will attack your semiconductor plants, kya karega fir? They will attack L&T Hazira, kya karega fir? It isn't worth expending national assets over a worthless failed terrorist state.

Jamnagar refinery has 30 sq kms of area
Semiconductor plants lol no these waferless plants doesnt impact anything economically

If any semiconductor real ones can be built they cant be built in dry areas, Assam has better chance

pakis cant do much damage to Jamnagar refinery may be few hits here n thr but overall not much impact.

Now think about the cost India will extract from pakis.

pakis literally have 40 odd cranes in thr port which keep them afloat, all of them can be taken out by India in minutes, puncturing thr capabilities to unload and load they r done basically
U dont realize the fck up which is pakistan geographically

 

[Viper316]

If nothing was happened during Operation Sindoor we wouldnt be seing this picture of traumatized pakistan


View: https://x.com/detresfa_/status/1946419251176178123?t=ZH9XM2j08Z3bUkBbCnsA1w&s=19

 

[FalconSlayers]

Jamnagar refinery has 30 sq kms of area
Semiconductor plants lol no these waferless plants doesnt impact anything economically

If any semiconductor real ones can be built they cant be built in dry areas, Assam has better chance

pakis cant do much damage to Jamnagar refinery may be few hits here n thr but overall not much impact.

Not think about the cost India will extract from pakis.

pakis literally have 40 odd cranes which keep them afloat, all of them can be taken out by India in minutes, puncturing thr capabilities to unload and load they r done basically
U dont realize the fck up which is pakistan geographically

They don't have anything worth extracting. "Waferless" kuchh bhi? The TATA fab is literally a wafer fab worth $11 billion. There is a Micron OSAT semiconductor plant worth $3 bn in Sanand as well. A petrochem refinery getting hit is no joke. How difficult is it to comprehend?

 

[snakeeyes07]

They will attack Jamnagar refinery, kya karega fir? They will attack your semiconductor plants, kya karega fir? They will attack L&T Hazira, kya karega fir? It isn't worth expending national assets over a worthless failed terrorist state.

I think the crippling effect on economy/nation will be order of magnitudes higher on Pakistani side than India. India will have alternate supply chain and plants elsewhere and much more financial capital to bring damaged infra back online soon.

For example, hypothetically if India destroys Karachi port and Pakistan destroys JNPT, India would still have alternate mega ports but with Pakistan almost 80% capacity be gone for years.

 

[vidhwanshak]

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Blame lies with users who can't argue opposing POV's without accusing someone of being a Paki. There are no Pakis on DFB btw at least from Pakistan. We decline registrations from Pak.

I used to think only Left wing had cancel culture warriors. Plenty of so called RW posters who want opposing opinions to be cancelled too.

Not happening. The whole point of having a forum is to see various opinions. This isn't an echo chamber where we circle jerk among people with same opinion.

As for Modi's role in OP Sindoor, both camps are correct.

1) Would Congress have ordered those strikes against Pak as retaliation to Pahalgam?

No. We saw how they chickened out in 2008.

2) Did Modi give unrestrained power to our forces and pummel Pak?

No. We had Pakis on their backs and a more ruthless leader could have gone for the kill. Aircraft losses don't matter (If there were any). Hitting 11 bases of Pak is a huge achievement. Modi shouldn't have held back. Also, we don't know what the Americans promised or threatened to stop Modi from escalating. So, I'll give Modi some benefit of the doubt.

Modi deserves credit for the first part and deserves criticism for the latter part. So, for the time being we have no option but to stick to Modi because the alternatives are even worse.

Exactly.
I appreciate the thoughts put in this post. And yes OP Sindoor would have ended the very first day if Pakis didn't escalate.

I am also shocked to know some still believe that we didn't had any losses. From videos available on X, there are three losses so far which can be confirmed.
But, we have achieved much more. Hitting 11 bases is not a small feat and should be celebrated. And hiding losses in the garb of Op Sindoor should be criticized.
I had said this on X and I am saying it here as well, the only issue with Op Sindoor was IAF not having Air to Air Kills. The top brass claimed during Balakot that if we had Rafaels, things would have been different. But Rafaels with no Meteor is like a toothless tigers. God Knows where are the promised Meteors.