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Honestly if the news is true, it is great for Indian Navy. Two conventional design from MDL and L&T give big advantage.

Currently the requirement is 24 Subs.

Barring the Kio and Type 209. We have only Kalvari class as the modern submarine fleet.

Kalvari Class - 9

P75I - 6

P76 - 9 (Subs) pending.

But this 24 requirement is based on then Indian Economy. If the count increases, P76 count will also increase.
 
ArjunMK1A said:
Honestly if the news is true, it is great for Indian Navy. Two conventional design from MDL and L&T give big advantage.

Currently the requirement is 24 Subs.

Barring the Kio and Type 209. We have only Kalvari class as the modern submarine fleet.

Kalvari Class - 9

P75I - 6

P76 - 9 (Subs) pending.

But this 24 requirement is based on then Indian Economy. If the count increases, P76 count will also increase.
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We need more submarines, total conventional ones must be 30-35 including the current Scorpenes.
With 6-8 nuclear ones.
Hope DRDO AIP is successful or they find a good Lithium ion battery merchant, currently only the Japanese and Koreans have submarine grade li-ion figured out afaik.
 
shade2 said:
We need more submarines, total conventional ones must be 30-35 including the current Scorpenes.
With 6-8 nuclear ones.
Hope DRDO AIP is successful or they find a good Lithium ion battery merchant, currently only the Japanese and Koreans have submarine grade li-ion figured out afaik.
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AIP and Li ion tech is different I believe. The Jap submarine is simply charges the Li battery which holds high amount of energy compared to traditional Lead Acid ones. So it does need AIP.

Question is that Li battery is pretty much common with Commercial Car lithium battery. Challenge will be Certifying for Military standards.

Unfortunately, DRDO bros needs to do ball lifting as Indian Private Dhandos skipped this ship.
 
ArjunMK1A said:
AIP and Li ion tech is different I believe. The Jap submarine is simply charges the Li battery which holds high amount of energy compared to traditional Lead Acid ones. So it does need AIP.

Question is that Li battery is pretty much common with Commercial Car lithium battery. Challenge will be Certifying for Military standards.

Unfortunately, DRDO bros needs to do ball lifting as Indian Private Dhandos skipped this ship.
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No they've junked AIP altogether.

Basically while surfaced and engine is on it stores so much electricity in the batteries that they isn't a need for running AIP while submerged.

Koreans meanwhile have an AIP + Li-ion system so idk which is "better"
 
shade2 said:
No they've junked AIP altogether.

Basically while surfaced and engine is on it stores so much electricity in the batteries that they isn't a need for running AIP while submerged.

Koreans meanwhile have an AIP + Li-ion system so idk which is "better"
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Korean approach is way too complicated. Li batteries charge capacity is very high compared to Lead Acid. We don't need AIP further on that, this way go into SSN category.
 
ArjunMK1A said:
Korean approach is way too complicated. Li batteries charge capacity is very high compared to Lead Acid. We don't need AIP further on that, this way go into SSN category.
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Yes, the Koreans aren't allowed by their US mastas to build SSN.

Anyway let's hope the Admirals have a proper plan to subs-maxxx for the next 10 years.

Previous 20 years were wasted waiting for a fantasy 3000 ton, proven AIP and Brahmos vertical launching submarine to appear.

We need good amount of SSK and SSN to deal with Ching fleets coming in IOR in next 10-15 years
 
shade2 said:
We need good amount of SSK and SSN to deal with Ching fleets coming in IOR in next 10-15 years
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You need good amounts of submarine hunting aircraft to deal with them. They only have few choke points to send their submarines here, need persistent surveillance over those areas. Which is why large number of MQ-9B Sea Guardian type HALE drones are needed to detect the submarine and hunt it down with coastal SMART batteries, or P-8i and C-295 MPAs.
 
FalconSlayers said:
You need good amounts of submarine hunting aircraft to deal with them. They only have few choke points to send their submarines here, need persistent surveillance over those areas. Which is why large number of MQ-9B Sea Guardian type HALE drones are needed to detect the submarine and hunt it down with coastal SMART batteries, or P-8i and C-295 MPAs.
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Not to counter their subs, I mean to counter their CBGs and surface assets.
By 2035 I don't think we'll have p18s, even if we do idk if they'll have the magazine depth or not.
 
randombully said:
A combination of a modern rotary 30mm ak630/phalanx type ciws and bofors 40mm type with single barrel & airburst ammo is the best overall combo as far as gun based point defense is concerned.

Paired with radar, EO/IR guidance, sophisticated FCS.

Both will be effective at 3-4km, but ak630 due to fast reaction time and firing rate can also engage target if they reach extremely close I.e. 1km or less.
Bofors 40mm with airburst ammo will help at engaging targets at longer ranges compared to ak630.
So for point defense combination of both will allow the increase in engagement envelope, from extremely close 1km or less range to more father 5km and more range.
Plus these systems will also cover each other's weaknesses.
And common range of 3-5 km is where both can engage and basically create a wall of bullets and shrapnels.


But again, will add to extra cost and complexity of having two different types of gun base ciws.
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do these guns relivent after laser weapons integration in naval ships. america already starting to install lasers (60KW -150KW) in their destroyers.
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india nd Israel also working in ground based laser system, so we can see naval based laser system near 2030-32 approx. laser system can kill any aerial target from 5-10 km range. they will going to replace guns.
as close range defense we need 2 american RIM 162 evolved sea sparrow type missiles system with 50 km range on our big ships like aircraft carrier, destroyers nd frigate for 360 degree protection. it is quad packed missile with in single cell.
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beside these we should develop RIM 116 type missiles system also. which can equip in our bigger naval ships in 2-4 numbers. it hv 9 km range. it can store 21 missile in one system.
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after that 3 layers of sam missiles is good enough for very good defense.
first layer = VLSRAM with 30-40 km range.
second layer = barak 8 with 100 km range.
third layer = kusha 2 with 250 km range.

for submarine hunting....we should also develop vertical launch anti submarine rocket. like RUM 139, which hv 22 km range. we should replace russian RBU3000 from our big ships.
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ArjunMK1A said:
Pakistan Navy is fully dependent on Karachi which is under the range of every long range stand off weapons from Army, Airforce and Navy.

The port can be destroyed by an Army Brahmos Regiment, Airforce can launch Scalp, Brahmos A. Doing an strike on Karachi port will cripple them heavily, since we can take their maintenance fleet out of business. Remaining ships needs to operate from Gwadar port and other smaller ports. Meaning their action will be curtailed.

This can be done even without Navy involvement if we are doing preemptive strikes. Navy should ensure we are hunting the PN subs and clearing any mines they are laying.

Pakis were screwed up by Geography.
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In a preemptive strike case, we can launch 50 SMART missiles for anti submarine missions. these supersonic missiles hv 700 km range. In these missile shyena light torpedo is present, which seprate itself nd dive down in sea. then it can hunt down submarines (may be ships also) in 20 km range by its own sonars. so we can fire each SMART missiles in a area of 20 km distance. that make a dead zone of near 50×20= 1000 km for pakistani submarines near karachi port. dont know how many Pakistani subs survive by that type of attack.

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