Operation Sindoor & Aftermath (33 Viewers)

[Sanglamorre]

The one crash in Punjab you clearly see a M88 engine . Now you don't need both engines to know that a Rafale went down because there there is no way in hell that one engine can fall out and the Rafale flies home on the other . So this argument makes no sense that we need to see both M88 engines on the ground .

I think his point is that "just" engines don't fall off that cleanly. Especially if there's 2.

The wreckage is too clean for something blasted, and which was attached with the strongest attachments.

Even if we go on the logic that this engine fell, there's even larger parts that's fell off. If this image is real, then locals discovered send photographed one engine, they'd have done the same to the other other bits.

 

[Nishaanbaaz]

Could this be a preparation for hostilities? Increase Paramilitary deployment to lock down the internal situation + free up troops for offensive action?


View: https://x.com/MeghUpdates/status/1946928281120571509

 

[concard]

Their low IQ subhuman population might believe whatever the BS their army says. But imagine you are the insider in PAF, you know exactly what you lost. For the public, you need to put up a face and tell them we shot down 6 Jets, evidence be damned. But on the job you know what you lost and what need to be replaced. If you lost lot of assets like in their case, they need to amplify their propaganda to drown any discussion on their losses.

I have a feeling that PAF is angry with scumbag Munir. Maybe the knives were out for him after the losses PAF took and something was perhaps planned like cutting his wings or in the worst case to oust him fully. But scumbag Munir played the Trump card crowning himself Field Marshall making him permanent Army chief until he retires on his own. Is it possible they might have patched up and scumbag Munir might have promised a window of opportunity to strike at our assets in return for not to against him? That's the theory I am going with seeing all the movements.

 

[shade2]

Could this be a preparation for hostilities? Increase Paramilitary deployment to lock down the internal situation + free up troops for offensive action?


View: https://x.com/MeghUpdates/status/1946928281120571509

Yes saar ofc,

Govt and forces are expecting some masti from the Pakis.

Their low IQ subhuman population might believe whatever the BS their army says. But imagine you are the insider in PAF, you know exactly what you lost. For the public, you need to put up a face and tell them we shot down 6 Jets, evidence be damned. But on the job you know what you lost and what need to be replaced. If you lost lot of assets like in their case, they need to amplify their propaganda to drown any discussion on their losses.

I have a feeling that PAF is angry with scumbag Munir. Maybe the knives were out for him after the losses PAF took and something was perhaps planned like cutting his wings or in the worst case to oust him fully. But scumbag Munir played the Trump card crowning himself Field Marshall making him permanent Army chief until he retires on his own. Is it possible they might have patched up and scumbag Munir might have promised a window of opportunity to strike at our assets in return for not to against him? That's the theory I am going with seeing all the movements.

Muneera has promised them "apna time aayega" and swallow the L received from the Indians for "now"

Waise if Muneera sits on his ass and doesn't allow PAF to have "revenge", Failed Marshlol title be damned, his plane may one day crash like Zia ul Haq's did

An accident of course

 

[The Juggernaut]

Could this be a preparation for hostilities? Increase Paramilitary deployment to lock down the internal situation + free up troops for offensive action?


View: https://x.com/MeghUpdates/status/1946928281120571509

 

[shade2]

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btw this means they will raise 20k fresh troops or are existing 20k CRPF guys being sent to Kashmir?

 

[vidhwanshak]

btw this means they will raise 20k fresh troops or are existing 20k CRPF guys being sent to Kashmir?

New likha hai bhai to I think it's raising new battalion.
They should consist of Agniveers.

 

[iNorthernerOn9]

It's about "Raising" 20 new battalions... means 16-18k personnel... would take more than a year... possibly two... this decision has no immediate consequence.

CRPF asked for raising 35 new battalions... only 20 approved by MHA.

 

[Interested]

I think his point is that "just" engines don't fall off that cleanly. Especially if there's 2.

The wreckage is too clean for something blasted, and which was attached with the strongest attachments.

Even if we go on the logic that this engine fell, there's even larger parts that's fell off. If this image is real, then locals discovered send photographed one engine, they'd have done the same to the other other bits.

If that's his logic ok .

But what I understood was that the argument is that only one engine is found so it can't be a 2 engine jet . If a M88 was found then a Rafale came down . No other jet in the sub continent uses that engine .

 

[snakeeyes07]

You may not be a khalistani, but you are total duffer on the topic of air crashes,that much is clear, so is your source.
A LOL-worthy source who wont even pass 2nd year engineering disaster analysis course for not even knowing if crash site is single engine or dual engine seater crash site.

Who is a total duffer or an idiot, I will let others decide. This isn't about having an engineering degree or a "ancillary resume", just need eyes to see and common sense (bit of critical thinking I guess).

First of all, nature of debris/wreckage field will be different for a crash (impact on ground, speed dependent) or a shoot down (both speed, hit altitude dependent along with the nature [explosive force, angle and fragmentation] and miss distance of missile). The aircraft could be breaking up with a SAM hit, HQ-9P/B carries a 180kg HE fragmentation warhead.

Goreunit is an Indian OSINT account.

View: https://x.com/Goreunit/status/1921448314110607360

You have based all your analysis and tirades based on a video which just focuses on a sole m88 engine and doesn't show the surrounding or how far is it from other wreckage spots.

Impact dynamics and debris distribution in case of a shoot down is complex. You are oversimplifying that both engines should be visible next to each other otherwise not a 2 engine fighter.

Re your evidence:
With crashes
- MIG-29 engine crash, where is the second engine so no MIG-29 crashed?
https://bangladeshdefence.blogspot.com/2014/06/crashed-mig-29-fighter-aircraft-of.html

- SU-30 MKI crash, if someone just made a video of the sole engine by the wall and shared that does that mean no SU-30 MKI crashed?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6toEWnU5pQ

With shoot downs:
- Russian SU-25 shoot down in Syria, where is the second engine or other wrekage nearby so no SU-25 crashed?
https://www.voanews.com/a/russian-jet-downed-over-idlib-syria/4237757.html

- Ukraine MIG-29 shoot down, where is the second engine so no MIG-29 crashed?
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/russia-ukr...-ukraines-mig-29-fighter-jet-8-drones/2599109


Also, F16 mid air collision with Cessna, part of the engine broke up and is located away from main wreckage spot:

NTSB releases first report on Cessna, F16 collision

The National Transportation Safety Board has released a preliminary report in connection to the collision of a Cessna C-150 and an F-16, killing a father and son.

www.wyff4.com

If you ever worked in a Boeing plant, I pray that I never fly in an aircraft that you actually worked on.

 

[snakeeyes07]

Its like you don't know how Indian bureaucracy works at all.. Are you sure you are of Indian origin?!
FYI IAF did mention several high tech jets being downed. ALso that Pampore jet is not ours.. The guy on the ground has no idea what jet it is!

I don't want things to be brushed under the carpet, there were IAF losses in the first engagement (May6-7). I don't want government to be able to get away by just saying IAF strikes and air defense from May 7-10 were very successful. I want a fire to be lit under the government *** (only then they'll massively increase DRDO funding, defense capital budget and cut delays) and the IAF (to prepare for next time to deliver a decisive and unquestionable victory over PAF) because in India radical changes only happen when there is a crisis.

IMO if any PAF aircraft was shot down inside India then the pictures or pieces of debris itself would have been shown in MOD briefing same or next day. Just like AIM-120 debris was shown in 2019. A confirmed PAF loss in air that too inside India would be a blow to their perceived image in Pakistan.

Also as multiple people have raised question marks on me not being an Indian (a Paki bot or Khalistani), I am kind of disappointed with almost Paki like delusions and behavior. My dad retired from IA after 30+ years of service. I have lived in cantonments all my childhood & early life and still have many relatives serving in both IA and IAF.

 

[snakeeyes07]

whatever jets are fallen, are ALL single engine crash sites. That much, is obvious from the pics of the crash sites. If we wish to believe this is all IAF losses, sure, but it cant be ANY twin engine craft. So take your pick from MiG-21 to Mirage 2000 to Tejas, but not MiG-29, Su-30 or Rafale. no 2 engine set at crash site, no dice on twin seater planes downed. The end.

Do you know of an IAF single engine fighter which has RD-33 or this too is a PAF JF-17 block 1 or 2 shot down inside India (Ramban)?

Прекратена е поръчката за двигатели за МиГ 29, министерството преминава към пряко договаряне

Министерството на отбраната преминава към пряко договаряне с участниците в процедурата за доставяне на двигателите.

www.novinite.bg

 

[Asmodeus]

Also as multiple people have raised question marks on me not being an Indian (a Paki bot or Khalistani), I am kind of disappointed with almost Paki like delusions and behavior. My dad retired from IA after 30+ years of service. I have lived in cantonments all my childhood & early life and still have many relatives serving in both IA and IAF.

Care to explain where you are from??

 

[snakeeyes07]

Care to explain where you are from??

I don't need a certificate from you or anybody else here. Why don't you put a picture of your ID here.

 

[Asmodeus]

Do you know of an IAF single engine fighter which has RD-33 or this too is a PAF JF-17 block 1 or 2 shot down inside India (Ramban)?
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Sure you linked non-indian media source.. ofc. Do you notice that greenish blue composite on that RD series??!! or will you say you don't know any Pakistani aircraft that uses RD series of engine which has that??

You are too ez..

 

[MasterChief]

Do you know of an IAF single engine fighter which has RD-33 or this too is a PAF JF-17 block 1 or 2 shot down inside India (Ramban)?
View attachment 43835

Прекратена е поръчката за двигатели за МиГ 29, министерството преминава към пряко договаряне

Министерството на отбраната преминава към пряко договаряне с участниците в процедурата за доставяне на двигателите.

www.novinite.bg

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Guys saying a PAF JF-17 crashed in Ramban lack common sense .
PAF has explicitly said that it didn't lose any fighter. Why would it say that if a Paki jet had crashed inside Indian territory..
Also, IAF has exhibited bits and pieces of missiles and drones.. but no PAF aircraft show pieces..
Whatever PAF aircraft crashed, crashed inside Paki territory..

 

[Asmodeus]

I don't need a certificate from you or anybody else here. Why don't you put a picture of your ID here.

lmao.. caught red handed Mr. child of IA jawan.

 

[snakeeyes07]

Sure you linked non-indian media source.. ofc. Do you notice that greenish blue composite on that RD series??!! or will you say you don't know any Pakistani aircraft that uses RD series of engine which has that??

You are too ez..

When the government or IAF comes out with details, if what I have posted is true then would you do an apology here. I will do the same if I am wrong.

 

[Asmodeus]

Guys saying a PAF JF-17 crashed in Ramban lack common sense .
PAF has explicitly said that it didn't lose any fighter. Why would it say that if a Paki jet had crashed inside Indian territory..
Also, IAF has exhibited bits and pieces of missiles and drones.. but no PAF aircraft show pieces..
Whatever PAF aircraft crashed, crashed inside Paki territory..

Where did Pakistanis said it??!! They never said they didn't loose any fighter. Thats why they are focusing on Indian Rafales.

 

[Asmodeus]

When the government or IAF comes out with details, if what I have posted is true then would you do an apology here. I will do the same if I am wrong.

don't talk future.. tell me the answer or wait for confirmation & stfu