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[eastern_bhartiya]

Fixing higher education: Research quality, soft skills gap, and NEP 2020 reforms

Decades of experience in higher education and research in India, expressing concerns and advocating for quality and meaningful outcomes.

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@ezsasa , you might want to read this gem from Pindu, author seems very salty, he wants Indian students to learn "muh basics" and how research used to better back then than now, even though Indian started becoming a serious player in global patent research publican very recently.

 

[ezsasa]

Fixing higher education: Research quality, soft skills gap, and NEP 2020 reforms

Decades of experience in higher education and research in India, expressing concerns and advocating for quality and meaningful outcomes.

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@ezsasa , you might want to read this gem from Pindu, author seems very salty, he wants Indian students to learn "muh basics" and how research used to better back then than now, even though Indian started becoming a serious player in global patent research publican very recently.

yes, shady scientific journals is an ongoing issue not just in India but across the world, which impacts quality of research. journals are relevant for Phd, patents is a separate story. when one knows your Phd is going to be published in some obscure journal with less scrutiny, quality of thesis drops.

in humanities research, up until a few years ago a lot of our online quarrels were because some journal printed some stupid nonsense about India, and commies online used that as their validation to target India. and because that something was printed in some journal backed by commie exfarts building citation loops, would immediately be picked up by MSM for their headlines and paint it as a fact to target India.

rest of the points about academic industry, i don't have much insight for assessment.

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

yes, shady scientific journals is an ongoing issue not just in India but across the world, which impacts quality of research. journals are relevant for Phd, patents is a separate story. when one knows your Phd is going to be published in some obscure journal with less scrutiny, quality of thesis drops.

in humanities research, up until a few years ago a lot of our online quarrels were because some journal printed some stupid nonsense about India, and commies online used that as their validation to target India. and because that something was printed in some journal backed by commie exfarts building citation loops, would immediately be picked up by MSM for their headlines and paint it as a fact to target India.

rest of the points about academic industry, i don't have much insight for assessment.

Most institutes don't have faculty that can really guide a Phd student, nor that most students can do any kind of research here. most of them get like 25k per month hardly, unless you do job in side , you have to pretty much live on parents money or live miserably.

 

[ArjunMK1A]

Most institutes don't have faculty that can really guide a Phd student, nor that most students can do any kind of research here. most of them get like 25k per month hardly, unless you do job in side , you have to pretty much live on parents money or live miserably.

I know few of my relatives and my college professor who done PhD works. Their common complaint is the guide were more or less egomaniacs and exhibit sadistic behavior. They can't even support the person's work for verification. My relative was literally stuck for 1-2 years to get some sign offs. The guide will simply postpone from flimsy reasons.

 

[Ajayant Tripathi]

the gap from class 8 to 9 and class 10 to 11 is big, it lasts for 3-4 months but has a huge impact in scaring them from curriculum, but once you get used to it, 10th and 12th look easy. some topics should be put in lower classes to give them an idea of critical thinking, my weakest was maths. class 10 maths was simple, just watch class and give exam and boom 90-95+. but jee maths and its questions, ooofff ooofffff, you need to solve 1000s of questions then you will be able to solve mains maths and get an idea of advanced maths. the level of thinking for jee maths is the thing which attracted the most. calculus and algebra were the best and trigno and coordinate geometry are the worst.
i feel like topics like quadratic, sequence series, trigno, inv trigno and straight lines can be shifted to class 10, and respectively for all subjects.

Well, There was a huge leap from 5 to 6 too when i was in school. Actually it was my biggest shock. 9th gap didn't feel much may be because as my teachers said i got "Opri prai hawaa". Their really is something which changes between 8th and 9th in psychological terms. My class had really different vibe in 9th. In 11th we had new students and exits. So, it was also very very different. It felt like a school change.

 

[Ajayant Tripathi]

the gap from class 8 to 9 and class 10 to 11 is big, it lasts for 3-4 months but has a huge impact in scaring them from curriculum, but once you get used to it, 10th and 12th look easy. some topics should be put in lower classes to give them an idea of critical thinking, my weakest was maths. class 10 maths was simple, just watch class and give exam and boom 90-95+. but jee maths and its questions, ooofff ooofffff, you need to solve 1000s of questions then you will be able to solve mains maths and get an idea of advanced maths. the level of thinking for jee maths is the thing which attracted the most. calculus and algebra were the best and trigno and coordinate geometry are the worst.
i feel like topics like quadratic, sequence series, trigno, inv trigno and straight lines can be shifted to class 10, and respectively for all subjects.

No, Certainly not what you prescribe. Not every student should be subject to these. But yes i will welcome a +2 like specialization from 9 and onwards. Only than students should be introduced to them. It really is hard for many people to even differentiate between different types of bonds. So, without specialization an increase in difficulty will kill most of these kids.

Different kids have different expectations. But a clear early specialization should be a good path. But will it work? Most of the parents will try to get their child do an honors course. People really pay last attention to vocational training like ITI and polytechniques. Everyone in my school wanted a STEM or Commerce in their +2.

The better way for govt. should be to lower entry barriers in polytechniques and ITIs. They should admit students from 9 and onwards. Instead of after 10 or 12. These special schools will be lesser in number and thus will eventually be more selective with more motivated students.

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

Well, There was a huge leap from 5 to 6 too when i was in school. Actually it was my biggest shock. 9th gap didn't feel much may be because as my teachers said i got "Opri prai hawaa". Their really is something which changes between 8th and 9th in psychological terms. My class had really different vibe in 9th. In 11th we had new students and exits. So, it was also very very different. It felt like a school change.

CBSE for what ever reason decides to force all students to be generalists still class 10th, then suddenly remembers that we specialists, that's why you have so fucking much curriculum in 11th and 12th, just look at difference between class 10th PCM and then class 11th PCM. CBSE 10th is a joke compared to what comes next. Most kids that do good in 10th get demotivated and get riddled with self doubt in 11th and 12th.

One thing CBSE can do is introduce specialization in class 8th to 9th. US has something called AP classes where you can do undergrad level studies while in high school, we can introduce a variant of that by creating levels of each subject, there is no reason for everyone to study same depth into each subject. there is a need to even out topics of subjects across classes , because CBSE has some weird jump and stagnations in how they want study to progress. they can introduce introductory programming and network related topics in 9th-10th IMO.

 

[Ajayant Tripathi]

CBSE for what ever reason decides to force all students to be generalists still class 10th, then suddenly remembers that we specialists, that's why you have so fucking much curriculum in 11th and 12th, just look at difference between class 10th PCM and then class 11th PCM. CBSE 10th is a joke compared to what comes next. Most kids that do good in 10th get demotivated and get riddled with self doubt in 11th and 12th.

One thing CBSE can do is introduce specialization in class 8th to 9th.

Certainly, some of the material should find more way into 9th and 10th. I will still prefer if trade schools become more common after 8th from 9th and onwards. Some kids just want to be a mechanic. Why make them slog? Some of the humanities material could be distributed over 4 years for them.
I am all in for +4 instead of +2.

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

Certainly, some of the material should find more way into 9th and 10th. I will still prefer if trade schools become more common after 8th from 9th and onwards. Some kids just want to be a mechanic. Why make them slog? Some of the humanities material could be distributed over 4 years for them.
I am all in for +4 instead of +2.

I agree 10th class is a weird and arbitrary separation , treat 9th to 12th as a single unit for pre-university education and make kids aware of real world scenarios, there is something funny about our education system considering everyone stll class 10th as kid and suddenly in 11th 12th you have to make career choices.