DRDO and PSU's

[Ayan Barat]

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VSHORAD is likely the only missile in its class with a reaction control system instead of the more common thrust vectoring, providing it with extreme maneuverability

> What use is extreme maneuverability in a missile designed to engage helicopters?
> Even if you achieve extreme maneuverability, you're speed is still just Mach 1.5?
> Reaction control is generally used where there's no atmosphere to use traditional Control Surfaces like higher altitude or even space
> In endo-atmospheric role it's used when the speed is so high that the response from regular Control Surfaces would "lag" significantly like in case of PAC3-CRI with Mach 5 or Aster-30 with Mach 4.5
> After just a few meters from the launcher all the four divergent thrusters are fired (notice four separate plumes), so how can they be used later? And if there are multiple tandem motors inside then how much fuel are you actually going to pack inside a small missile?

> RCS thrusters are almost always placed perpendicular to the fuselage as that's the only way to use the total force to change the yaw or pitch. Also the thrusters are placed as further front as possible the lever arm is longest, generating maximum turning moment. If placed too close to the actual rear thrusters then it may cause the missile to "skid" instead of turning

>If placed tangentially then instead of the whole force, you'll get just the vertical component of it. In this case Fy which would always be smaller than force F as it'd be sin θ times of it


Someone should dig deeper into this and probably ask someone from DRDO (not from Adani, who's poster were first to claim this RCS thing)

 

[ArjunMK1A]

While we will blackpill. Surprisingly we were able to diversify the procurement of weapons domestically.


2 decades back.

1. DPSU, DPSU and DPSU for everything


In Vishwagorilla era

1. Guns
We have AWEIL with TAR, RFI 7.62mm, INSAS 1C, LMG, MMG. Apart from AWEIL now we have SSS, PLR and Astr (Currently only pistols, may be the scar clone will be ready), Bharat Forge. We have multiple players ready to supply guns.

2. Ammunition like Bullets, Artillery shells
1. Munitions India Ltd, SSS, PLR.

3. Artillery Guns
1. BF, Tata, Mahindra with M777, PLR with IWI, L&T with Nexter.

4. Wheeled IFV
1. Tata, Mahindra, AVNI

5. Track IFV
1. L&T, Bharat Forge, AVNI

6. Troops protection
1. Tata, MKU, DRDO, SMPP, Armasen

7. Scopes
1. Tata, MKU, Tonbo, BEL

8. Radar, EW, SDR
1. BEL, Data Patterns, Astra, IDEX startups, Tejas network etc.

9. Rocket Artillery
1. MIL, Solar Industry, Bharat Forge

Damn. At least on Paper Indian Army can upgrade into an modern standard compared to the current militia army.

Lot of suppliers popped out but still shit concern about it.

 

[karn]

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VSHORAD is likely the only missile in its class with a reaction control system instead of the more common thrust vectoring, providing it with extreme maneuverability

IF you are referring to the 4 exhaust ports that is not reaction control . That is merely a configuration so that the operator does not get a blasted in the face by the exhaust.
I think this is a bit of an odd design with the launch booster ahead of the sustainer booster.
If anyone is at at Aero India they can find out for sure.

 

[Operatorr]

> What use is extreme maneuverability in a missile designed to engage helicopters?
> Even if you achieve extreme maneuverability, you're speed is still just Mach 1.5?
> Reaction control is generally used where there's no atmosphere to use traditional Control Surfaces like higher altitude or even space
> In endo-atmospheric role it's used when the speed is so high that the response from regular Control Surfaces would "lag" significantly like in case of PAC3-CRI with Mach 5 or Aster-30 with Mach 4.5
> After just a few meters from the launcher all the four divergent thrusters are fired (notice four separate plumes), so how can they be used later? And if there are multiple tandem motors inside then how much fuel are you actually going to pack inside a small missile?
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> RCS thrusters are almost always placed perpendicular to the fuselage as that's the only way to use the total force to change the yaw or pitch. Also the thrusters are placed as further front as possible the lever arm is longest, generating maximum turning moment. If placed too close to the actual rear thrusters then it may cause the missile to "skid" instead of turning
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>If placed tangentially then instead of the whole force, you'll get just the vertical component of it. In this case Fy which would always be smaller than force F as it'd be sin θ times of it
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Someone should dig deeper into this and probably ask someone from DRDO (not from Adani, who's poster were first to claim this RCS thing)

View: https://x.com/Indrani1_Roy/status/1884063220048199802


View: https://x.com/Indrani1_Roy/status/1884112703306035613

 

[truthsoldier]

My hate for gernails and Jai ho gang is well known
But in this case u feel it's being pushed by pmo itself and rather army being not interested coz if u see reports consistently stating army flagging concerns and poor performance of the platform
But the push is coming from MoD or PMO

I feel case here is different USA wants to destroy our ifv industry and making us completely dependent over their supply through which they can army twist us and we are bound to allow them as they have kept supply of ge-404 and 414 on table

It's a situation we can't avoid rather have to accept their conditions

Looks like a case a of twisted policy of ours known as military hardware diplomacy where govt in a bid to appease US (in a worst possible way for Indian industry) chose stryker.

 

[Operatorr]

IF you are referring to the 4 exhaust ports that is not reaction control . That is merely a configuration so that the operator does not get a blasted in the face by the exhaust.
I think this is a bit of an odd design with the launch booster ahead of the sustainer booster.
If anyone is at at Aero India they can find out for sure.

pls do a double check saar

 

[Ayan Barat]

VSHORAD is designed to engage helicopters?

Yes my Guy
What were you planning to? Black fighter jets of Allah!?

What else can you engage with a max range of 6km and velocity of Mach 1.5 other than helicopters, UAVs and cruise missiles?

(Don't mention aircraft because the time period when MANPADS were first devised we used to have slow moving aircraft flying close to the ground providing strafing fire. But now we've more or less completely replaced CAS with stand-off weapons)

And it's not just VSHORADS, every single MANPADS currently in existence from Stinger to Mistral is primarily designed to take out helicopters. If they manage to down an aircraft then it's just sheer luck

 

[Operatorr]

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VSHORAD is likely the only missile in its class with a reaction control system instead of the more common thrust vectoring, providing it with extreme maneuverability

for folks that wanna read more :


View: https://x.com/Indrani1_Roy/status/1886481282760405156

 

[Operatorr]

Yes my Guy
What were you planning to? Black fighter jets of Allah!?

What else can you engage with a max range of 6km and velocity of Mach 1.5 other than helicopters, UAVs and cruise missiles?

(Don't mention aircraft because the time period when MANPADS were first devised we used to have slow moving aircraft flying close to the ground providing strafing fire. But now we've more or less completely replaced CAS with stand-off weapons)

And it's not just VSHORADS, every single MANPADS currently in existence from Stinger to Mistral is primarily designed to take out helicopters. If they manage to down an aircraft then it's just sheer luck

can VSHORAD engage jf17 ladaka taiyyara saar?

 

[AbRaj]

1:1 scale model of AMCA in Aeroindia
1:10 scale model of Tejas Mk 2 🕉️
1:4 scale model of TEDBF

Tejas mk 2 cockpit
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View: https://x.com/writetake/status/1887500661006475344


Anyone from DFB visiting Aeroindia on 14 th ?

Its raining "scale models" here. Cant believe how advanced we have become.
Im sure after seeing these scale models Chaina and US is going to piss in their pants and ground their J20s, J35, J36 and F22,F35, NGAD etc and beg us to give them our "Scale Models", to fight real war Indiyan Estyle.
And here is obligatory emojis

 

[Ayan Barat]

can VSHORAD engage jf17 ladaka taiyyara saar?

Yes, but only if it's flying at just a 5km ceiling. And to be honest, if it's flying so low then it deserves to be downed.

 

[ArjunMK1A]

Its raining "scale models" here. Cant believe how advanced we have become.
Im sure after seeing these scale models Chaina and US is going to piss in their pants and ground their J20s, J35, J36 and F22,F35, NGAD etc and beg us to give them our "Scale Models", to fight real war Indiyan Estyle.
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Lol. I am happy we developed from CGI renders to scale models.

Folks going to Aero India. Barge HAL wallahs with

Where is the RUAV you shown?

 

[Operatorr]

Yes, but only if it's flying at just a 5km ceiling. And to be honest, if it's flying so low then it deserves to be downed.

can we make something like this with VSHORAD? That would be cool as fuck

 

[Ayan Barat]

for folks that wanna read more :


View: https://x.com/Indrani1_Roy/status/1886481282760405156

Lol, lmao even my Guy. Those are most probably screws or just rivets. Also that far in the aft is not the lively place for them as I already mentioned

That's not how RCS thrusters looks like. Here's what it looks like

 

[Operatorr]

Lol, lmao even my Guy. Those are most probably screws or just rivets. Also that far in the aft is not the lively place for them as I already mentioned

That's not how RCS thrusters looks like. Here's what it looks like
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noooo my fav defence exfart indranil......how can he be wrong

 

[Ayan Barat]

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can we make something like this with VSHORAD? That would be cool as fuck

How many times I'm going to answer this same question

The RIM-116 is made by strapping a Stinger seeker on a Sidewinder missile. So for the seeker we definitely have VSHORAD one but we don't have any Sidewinder analogue. The closest would be Astra but it's too heavy and more of an ESSM analogue.

If we somehow manage to start full scale production of ASRAAM and lower it's cost by both local components and economies of scale then it would probably be the closest analogue to RIM-116 based on size, range, velocity and warhead.

 

[fire starter]

Madarchod suar ki aulad.

View: https://x.com/Geopolitic_Info/status/1887551966479577527?t=xquN33kL2IqWKdOdhppPwA&s=19

View: https://x.com/sriramthg/status/1887538079638171997?t=mdqJiJ2WzMWu2OIyprR-jA&s=19

View: https://x.com/Indrani1_Roy/status/1887549322247668170?t=os5G04UUOfwJs3CquY7ehA&s=19

 

[shade2]

My hate for gernails and Jai ho gang is well known
But in this case u feel it's being pushed by pmo itself and rather army being not interested coz if u see reports consistently stating army flagging concerns and poor performance of the platform
But the push is coming from MoD or PMO

I feel case here is different USA wants to destroy our ifv industry and making us completely dependent over their supply through which they can army twist us and we are bound to allow them as they have kept supply of ge-404 and 414 on table

It's a situation we can't avoid rather have to accept their conditions

Yahi hai but do not absolve the Import Bahadurs & Baboons just yet, this may have been out-of-syllabus for them but it's not as if they won't grab an ((( import ))) opportunity with both their hands.

Anyway it won't stop at this, they need amphibious capability so there will be another ((( multi vendor tender ))) for that

 

[shade2]

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1887557675426414623

Was just about to post this, why isn't the Italian mongrel barking about this?
In 2016 he was howling over RAFAEL ESCAM RAFAEL ESCAM?!

 

[shade2]

Defense twitter is up in arms over this, It's the angry counterpart to the "It's Over Bro" reaction when chings launched 6th gen Dorito