DRDO and PSU's

Arihant Roy said:
This new missile has a 60 kg warhead. Barak-8 ie Mrsam has a 23 kg warhead.
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This new missile uses the exact same 60kg warhead of Barak-8 or MRSAM; there no point in developing another warhead for similar role.

And I don't think any of our dedicated SAMs have a warhead as light as 23kg; even the lightest one on QRSAM is 32kg.
We still follow the Russian philosophy of compensating accuracy with a bigger warhead.

If I'm not wrong then Barak-1 used to have a 23kg warhead.
 
Ayan Barat said:
This new missile uses the exact same 60kg warhead of Barak-8 or MRSAM; there no point in developing another warhead for similar role.

And I don't think any of our dedicated SAMs have a warhead as light as 23kg; even the lightest one on QRSAM is 32kg.
We still follow the Russian philosophy of compensating accuracy with a bigger warhead.

If I'm not wrong then Barak-1 used to have a 23kg warhead.
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According to this warhead mass is 23 kg.
 
Arihant Roy said:
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According to this warhead mass is 23 kg.
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There should be a Pradhan Mantri TDP Vitran Yojna for people like us to prevent such confusions

This is LRSAM or MRSAM or Barak-8 whatever it is
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And this is the warhead
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Assuming the diameter to be 225mm, the complete warhead should be in the range of 2**x4**mm. There's another warhead that pretty close to this dimensions...NGARM's
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And it's again a 60kg class warhead.

As for 23kg, Barak-1 with its 170mm diameter body used to have a 23kg warhead. This is from an extremely old flyer
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And if indeed Barak-8 has a 23kg warhead and it's not some misprint of Barak-1's warhead or the "explosive weight" getting written as warhead weight then I've absolutely no clue what's going on. Because even Akash has a similar warhead so why lower it so drastically
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Bleh said:
Yes, but beyond that?... now shouldn't we settle for one of the two, whichever suits better?

Presently I know of no capability or op.role difference between the two.
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We got the needed tech now that will happen soon.
I have a different question why do we have so many different short range sams it's logistically not logical to have unless there are much diverse needs which I don't is there in case of short range sams.(Ok akash prime for freezing Himalayas) But why
Akash,akash ng, qrsam.
I think we should have only 2 missiles in production.
 
Satish Sharma Ji said:
I have a different question why do we have so many different short range sams it's logistically not logical to have unless there are much diverse needs which I don't is there in case of short range sams.(Ok akash prime for freezing Himalayas) But why
Akash,akash ng, qrsam.
I think we should have only 2 missiles in production.
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Because there was no long term plan to have an unified air-defence system with multiple missiles and every project happened in kind of an ad-hoc basis. After this whole CAATSA thing with S-400 and then the subsequent suboptimal performance of it made us to work on a replacement.

> Mobile SAMs like OSA would get replaced by QRSAM
> Akash and Akash-P would get replaced by Kusha M1
> Barak-8/MRSAM/LRSAM would get replaced by Kusha M1. As I told yesterday, we can't export them. You can check on Bharat Dynamic Limited website how everything is listed for export, except this.
> Whatever work we have done on Akash-NG and LRSAM would now culminate into Kusha M1. Akash-NG was always supposed to be an Indian replacement for Barak-8/MRSAM.
> S-400's lower tier missiles would get replaced by Kusha M2 and Kusha M3.
> S-400's upper tier ABM missiles would get replaced by AAD/PAD/AD-1/AD-2

So if everything goes as planned then you'd have just three SAM systems. (Not counting MANPADS)

1. QRSAM; short range mobile
2. Kusha; medium to long with limited ABM capabilities
3. AD series; dedicated ABM system
 
Gslv Mk3 said:
Propaganda is in full swing.


View: https://x.com/ReviewVayu/status/1832513338867380622
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Uttam is an variant of ELTA radar.

What a bunch of bullshit people were spewing nowadays. We came across lot of works done on this radar from DRDO brochures, presentation etc. Heck the number TRM modules in this radar is some of the highest we ever seen.

The way these guys were discounting the hard work of good scientists.
 
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Corvus Splendens said:
This is Mk.3 actually with 4 tubes. Wait for Mk.4, it'll have one guy riding on the top with a singular launcher.
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BC mk this MK that this shit is so confusing so what changes does mk2 has compared to mk1
 
Noob said:
BC mk this MK that this shit is so confusing so what changes does mk2 has compared to mk1
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Less ready to launch missiles :)
 
Ayan Barat said:
Because there was no long term plan to have an unified air-defence system with multiple missiles and every project happened in kind of an ad-hoc basis. After this whole CAATSA thing with S-400 and then the subsequent suboptimal performance of it made us to work on a replacement.

> Mobile SAMs like OSA would get replaced by QRSAM
> Akash and Akash-P would get replaced by Kusha M1
> Barak-8/MRSAM/LRSAM would get replaced by Kusha M1. As I told yesterday, we can't export them. You can check on Bharat Dynamic Limited website how everything is listed for export, except this.
> Whatever work we have done on Akash-NG and LRSAM would now culminate into Kusha M1. Akash-NG was always supposed to be an Indian replacement for Barak-8/MRSAM.
> S-400's lower tier missiles would get replaced by Kusha M2 and Kusha M3.
> S-400's upper tier ABM missiles would get replaced by AAD/PAD/AD-1/AD-2

So if everything goes as planned then you'd have just three SAM systems. (Not counting MANPADS)

1. QRSAM; short range mobile
2. Kusha; medium to long with limited ABM capabilities
3. AD series; dedicated ABM system
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  • <10km - VSHORAD (IA, IN?)
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  • 30km - mobile QRSAM (IA)
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  • 30km - static RF-Seeker Akash Prime (IAF, maybe replaced by)...
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  • 75km - Dual pulse, multifunctional radar, canisterised & mobile Akash NG (IA & IAF)
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  • 100KM - land based Barak8 MRSAM (IA, IAF, IN)
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  • 100km LOBL-LOAL capable VL-SRSAM Naval Astra (IN)
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  • 150km - naval Barak8 LRSAM (IN, being developed into XRSAM)
  • 400km - S-400 (IA, to be replaced by)...
  • 150 km, 250 km and 350 km - XRSAM Kusha Projects with 2way data link & TVC
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  • BMD
 
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Bleh said:
  • <10km - VSHORAD (IA, IN?)
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  • 30km - mobile QRSAM (IA)
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  • 30km - static RF-Seeker Akash Prime (IAF, maybe replaced by)...
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  • 75km - Dual pulse, multifunctional radar, canisterised & mobile Akash NG (IA & IAF)
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  • 100KM - land based Barak8 MRSAM (IA, IAF, IN)
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  • 100km LOBL-LOAL capable VL-SRSAM Naval Astra (IN)
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  • 150km - naval Barak8 LRSAM (IN, being developed into XRSAM)
  • 400km - S-400 (IA, to be replaced by)...
  • 150 km, 250 km and 350 km - XRSAM Kusha Projects with 2way data link & TVC
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  • BMD
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Nah, VLSRSAM will be in 45-50 km range at best, maybe 60-65 if they make a version out of Astra Mk2.
 
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