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Corvus Splendens said:
This is Mk.3 actually with 4 tubes. Wait for Mk.4, it'll have one guy riding on the top with a singular launcher.
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BC mk this MK that this shit is so confusing so what changes does mk2 has compared to mk1
 
Ayan Barat said:
Because there was no long term plan to have an unified air-defence system with multiple missiles and every project happened in kind of an ad-hoc basis. After this whole CAATSA thing with S-400 and then the subsequent suboptimal performance of it made us to work on a replacement.

> Mobile SAMs like OSA would get replaced by QRSAM
> Akash and Akash-P would get replaced by Kusha M1
> Barak-8/MRSAM/LRSAM would get replaced by Kusha M1. As I told yesterday, we can't export them. You can check on Bharat Dynamic Limited website how everything is listed for export, except this.
> Whatever work we have done on Akash-NG and LRSAM would now culminate into Kusha M1. Akash-NG was always supposed to be an Indian replacement for Barak-8/MRSAM.
> S-400's lower tier missiles would get replaced by Kusha M2 and Kusha M3.
> S-400's upper tier ABM missiles would get replaced by AAD/PAD/AD-1/AD-2

So if everything goes as planned then you'd have just three SAM systems. (Not counting MANPADS)

1. QRSAM; short range mobile
2. Kusha; medium to long with limited ABM capabilities
3. AD series; dedicated ABM system
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  • <10km - VSHORAD (IA, IN?)
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  • 30km - mobile QRSAM (IA)
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  • 30km - static RF-Seeker Akash Prime (IAF, maybe replaced by)...
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  • 75km - Dual pulse, multifunctional radar, canisterised & mobile Akash NG (IA & IAF)
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  • 100KM - land based Barak8 MRSAM (IA, IAF, IN)
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  • 100km LOBL-LOAL capable VL-SRSAM Naval Astra (IN)
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  • 150km - naval Barak8 LRSAM (IN, being developed into XRSAM)
  • 400km - S-400 (IA, to be replaced by)...
  • 150 km, 250 km and 350 km - XRSAM Kusha Projects with 2way data link & TVC
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  • BMD
 
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Bleh said:
  • <10km - VSHORAD (IA, IN?)
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  • 30km - mobile QRSAM (IA)
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  • 30km - static RF-Seeker Akash Prime (IAF, maybe replaced by)...
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  • 75km - Dual pulse, multifunctional radar, canisterised & mobile Akash NG (IA & IAF)
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  • 100KM - land based Barak8 MRSAM (IA, IAF, IN)
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  • 100km LOBL-LOAL capable VL-SRSAM Naval Astra (IN)
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  • 150km - naval Barak8 LRSAM (IN, being developed into XRSAM)
  • 400km - S-400 (IA, to be replaced by)...
  • 150 km, 250 km and 350 km - XRSAM Kusha Projects with 2way data link & TVC
View attachment 8734
  • BMD
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Nah, VLSRSAM will be in 45-50 km range at best, maybe 60-65 if they make a version out of Astra Mk2.
 
Bleh said:
  • <10km - VSHORAD (IA, IN?)
View attachment 8738
  • 30km - mobile QRSAM (IA)
View attachment 8737
  • 30km - static Akash Prime (IAF, maybe replaced by)...

  • 75km - Dual pulse, multifunctional radar Akash NG (IA & IAF)
View attachment 8735
  • 100KM - land based Barak8 MRSAM (IA, IAF)
  • 100km LOBL-LOAL capable VL-SRSAM Naval Astra (IN)
View attachment 8736
  • 150km - naval Barak8 LRSAM (IN)
  • S-400 & BMD (IA, to be replaced by)...
  • XRSAM Kusha Projects with 2way data link & tvc
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• VSHORAD
IA for sure, IN maybe integrated with an indigenous Kashtan like system or more likely as a primary air-defence system on auxiliary and smaller vessels.
• VL-SRSAM
Primary short range air-defence on vessels. Desi ESSM
• QRSAM
Primary army "formation SAM" to support maneuvering forces; Osa replacement
• Akash & Akash-Prime
We can't continue using Kub like non-containerized missiles and that too just three for its range. Also Akash is a bulky SAM for its category
• Akash-NG Kusha-M1
IA, IN & IAF. I've nothing to back me but I've strong intuition that the current Akash-NG will get further upgraded to eventually become M1. The general planform, the dimensions, everything suggest so.
• Barak-8/MRSAM/LRSAM
No need of this expensive system that too with strings attached when Kusha-M1 is direct analogous to it.
• Barak-8 ER
We won't be having the 150km ranged Barak-8. It uses a larger diameter booster and is also longer which means a serious overhaul of add new VLS that too when its performance can be replicated by Kusha-M2.
• Kusha-M2
IA, IN & IAF. If Kusha-M1 is similar to Barak-8 then just like booster added Barak-8 it should also be a 150-200km ranged SAM.
• Kusha-M3
IA, IN & IAF. Bit hard to guess the range as the 9M82 like booster suggest it's more focused on velocity. It can be PAC-3 analogous, long range SAM with ABM capabilities.
• S-400
It has to go. Even if not on the ground of shortcomings but rather on magazine depth. You can't plan a full fledged two front war when each interceptor is imported. Ukraine has some of the best ADS but as soon an overwhelming Russian attack happens they get short on missiles because there's no continuous supply.
• BMD
IAF & IN. I'm not sure whether AD-1 and AD-2 are going to replace AAD and PAD or complement them because guys in DRDO repeatedly write "Phase-1/2" but two of these are definitely going on IN vessels; we've already tested. We have absolutely no ABM capabilities on ships especially when a good chunk of PLA's budget is just for anti-Ship BMs. For IAF, this would be the replacement of S-400.
 
Blood+ said:
Nah, VLSRSAM will be in 45-50 km range at best, maybe 60-65 if they make a version out of Astra Mk2.
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Ok maybe... It has altitude to gain. 100km of Astra & 150 of Mk2 will become half.

But there should be one based on SFDR or STAR. There's more to SAM classes than range.

We need each:
  1. Cheap swarmers for MANPADs & short-range.
  2. Deployable & mobile quick reaction (QRSAM)
  3. Dual-pulse for energy mid range
  4. Solid-fueled for engaging at long-ranges
  5. BMD capable ballistic missiles
  • Additionally:
    • Heat seeker option (VSORAD & BVR)
    • 2-way data link to guide those IR-ones
    • Multifunctional radars for stealth
    • LOAL-LOBL for beyond-mid range
    • TVC for last ditch short-range ones
 
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Today, MoD signed the contract for 240 AL-31FP engines .

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The pertinent point to note here is the 63 percent figure indigenous content figure. This is to be achieved at the end of the delivery period. This 63 percent is by cost. At present, we have achieved 53 percent by cost . And we make 87.7 percent of all the components from raw material stage. Most of these are made by HAL while some are supplied by Tier 2 and 3 Indian MSME.

Making engines from raw material stage constitute the fourth phase of the license production of AL-31FP. In the first two phases, we used to assemble the engines from CKD and SKD kits and sub assemblies supplied by the Russian OEM NPO Saturn.

So even after achieving 63 percent IC by cost towards the end of delivery schedule, the IC content will average out to 54 percent over the entire program delivery phase.
 
Bleh said:
Fair... You want just some ATGM capabilities on a APC platform.

For a dedicated missile platform you got attack-helos & drones, or a pick-up can take that many missiles. For a tracked platform, they might want cannon with ATGM as primary.View attachment 8899
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> you take a standard BMP-2 with 30mm 2A42 auto-cannon and twin ATGM launchers
> remove the turret and add 8 ATGM launchers to make a dedicated Nag Missile Carrier; NAMICA
> reduce ready launchers to 6
> reduce ready launchers to 4 and add the same 2A42 30mm cannon you had removed earlier

So now I've a Ship of Theseus question for you; is it still a dedicated NAMICA or a BMP-2?

How this x4 ATGM + 30mm auto-cannon arrangement of a "missile carrier" any different from the current market standard of regular turrets like UT-30 or ZSSW-30?
 
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