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Satish Sharma Ji said:
That's actually opposite for manpad threat. When it comes light vs heavy.
Most important thing terrorist don't have air defence which could have forced combat hellos to fly low. So even mi35 is safe there remember it had very high ir signature. In afganistan they were falling alot coz of stinger.
If aircrafts are flying at high altitude manpads can't track them most of, while engaging enemy they will be in the manpad cover. As of now no mi35 has bing shot down in Nigeria by manpad.

Now lch prachand is best choice if the threat perception is manpad.

The more heavier the hello is the more powerfull engines are used and the more exhaust is released which increases ir signatur making aircraft prone to manpads. In heavy hellos this is huge. Modern mi35 comes with ir suppressor which does reduce but isn't enough they have been targetted in Ukraine too.

While lch being the lightest will have least exhaust among this hellos reducing it's ir signature. If that wasn't enough they have put a powerfull IR suppressor which suppresses IR signature very significantly so much that beyond 1 km manpads can't lock on it.

That's huge

While heavy hellos like Apache do come with suppressors too but they will not have as much ir stealth lch has.
Kargil taught us well what we need.
While hellos like t129 don't have any ir suppressors as they were never originally designed (a129).
Hellos do posses maws to counter manpads
As soon as a missile launch is detected it tiggers flares release many time saving the aircraft.
However this doesnt guarantee In Ukraine many such hellos were shot down missile launch can't be detected all the time and even manpad will go for flare can't be guaranteed all the times.

lch prachand is the best attack helicopters in its category.
And serves well everywhere. It just lacks maws & radar warning receivers for now. Earlier they had put the same saab's suit which was also used in rudra but drdo came in and serial aircrafts will have them. Ig it should perform better than existing sensor on rudra.

Prachand won't be delivered without it to Nigeria so thats another layer of safety.

Here is the video of chief test pilot wing cmdr unni pillai listen from 49:40
' u have to be very close to get a lock under a km'
This is something which generally gets neglected.


View: https://youtu.be/0V-2ZoBC7GE?feature=shared
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It needs the much needed self protection suite along with a radar jammer for protection against short range sam system FCRs, basically jamming and spoofing them, if they can accommodate it. Maybe can be used for detecting and jamming drones.
DIRCM is needed as well.
Also, even Z-19 is having FCR, Lch also can do that and integrate new gen weapons such as NLOS missiles/atgms, air launched UAVs and loitering munitions as well as MUM-T concept.
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*Le Indian Army- Saar, Pinaka bery bery heavy Saar, we need lighter system like HIMARS. No more orders for pinaka.

*Le Indian Army releases rfi after rfi and finally emergency buys a few HIMARS.

While at the same time Chinese indicts a ton of SR-5 medium MLRS and PHL-16 heavy MLRS.

Common Indian forces procurement 'L'.

Now this is obviously a joke but the most absurd thing is if this comes true I won't be surprised at all, not even a bit. It's already an unreasonable environment here.
 
Hawkeye said:
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*Le Indian Army- Saar, Pinaka bery bery heavy Saar, we need lighter system like HIMARS. No more orders for pinaka.

*Le Indian Army releases rfi after rfi and finally emergency buys a few HIMARS.

While at the same time Chinese indicts a ton of SR-5 medium MLRS and PHL-16 heavy MLRS.

Common Indian forces procurement 'L'.

Now this is obviously a joke but the most absurd thing is if this comes true I won't be surprised at all, not even a bit. It's already an unreasonable environment here.
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For weight factor I won't comment but longer range (phl6 class) are being developed indigenously.
Phl6 is 140km class system. Pinnaka family getting larger
 
Hawkeye said:
It needs the much needed self protection suite along with a radar jammer for protection against short range sam system FCRs, basically jamming and spoofing them, if they can accommodate it. Maybe can be used for detecting and jamming drones.
DIRCM is needed as well.
Also, even Z-19 is having FCR, Lch also can do that and integrate new gen weapons such as NLOS missiles/atgms, air launched UAVs and loitering munitions as well as MUM-T concept.
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You're instigating my imagination I don't wanna start now 🙂

Loitering munitions will be integrated it's the new requirement put by forces. We have some tube launched loitering munitions already developed. It shouldn't take time but when will deliveries began.
What happened to 156nos orderd
Dont know how reliable this is but came into my feed.

View: https://youtu.be/jxLyeXNIxag?feature=shared
 
Satish Sharma Ji said:
For weight factor I won't comment but longer range (phl6 class) are being developed indigenously.
Phl6 is 140km class system. Pinnaka family getting larger
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Phl 16 is pcl 191, we don't even come close as of yet. It has 300mm and 370mm class rockets, can also carry 750mm class ATACMS type of rockets with 500km range.
We are yet to see such a modular system on our side.
You can compare Pinaka with SR-5 but even there we are lacking in both type of calibres and types of ammunition.

Chinese are MLRS kings hands down.
 
Hawkeye said:
Phl 16 is pcl 191, we don't even come close as of yet. It has 300mm and 370mm class rockets, can also carry 750mm class ATACMS type of rockets with 500km range.
We are yet to see such a modular system on our side.
You can compare Pinaka with SR-5 but even there we are lacking in both type of calibres and types of ammunition.

Chinese are MLRS kings hands down.
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I mean 120km pinnaka is under development the 90km too. Progress will happen.
 
Blood+ said:
Nah, if you are talking about MANPADs, then even heavy attack choppers like the Hinds and Apaches wouldn't be of much use. We've seen this many times in the Russo-Ukrainian war already.
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Hinds are completely useless, yes. But Ka-52s have shown to be able to tank manpads and either fly away unharmed or do a controlled landing.

Satish Sharma Ji said:
That's actually opposite for manpad threat. When it comes light vs heavy.
Most important thing terrorist don't have air defence which could have forced combat hellos to fly low. So even mi35 is safe there remember it had very high ir signature. In afganistan they were falling alot coz of stinger.
If aircrafts are flying at high altitude manpads can't track them most of, while engaging enemy they will be in the manpad cover. As of now no mi35 has bing shot down in Nigeria by manpad.

Now lch prachand is best choice if the threat perception is manpad.

The more heavier the hello is the more powerfull engines are used and the more exhaust is released which increases ir signatur making aircraft prone to manpads. In heavy hellos this is huge. Modern mi35 comes with ir suppressor which does reduce but isn't enough they have been targetted in Ukraine too.

While lch being the lightest will have least exhaust among this hellos reducing it's ir signature. If that wasn't enough they have put a powerfull IR suppressor which suppresses IR signature very significantly so much that beyond 1 km manpads can't lock on it.

That's huge

While heavy hellos like Apache do come with suppressors too but they will not have as much ir stealth lch has.
Kargil taught us well what we need.
While hellos like t129 don't have any ir suppressors as they were never originally designed (a129).
Hellos do posses maws to counter manpads
As soon as a missile launch is detected it tiggers flares release many time saving the aircraft.
However this doesnt guarantee In Ukraine many such hellos were shot down missile launch can't be detected all the time and even manpad will go for flare can't be guaranteed all the times.

lch prachand is the best attack helicopters in its category.
And serves well everywhere. It just lacks maws & radar warning receivers for now. Earlier they had put the same saab's suit which was also used in rudra but drdo came in and serial aircrafts will have them. Ig it should perform better than existing sensor on rudra.

Prachand won't be delivered without it to Nigeria so thats another layer of safety.

Here is the video of chief test pilot wing cmdr unni pillai listen from 49:40
' u have to be very close to get a lock under a km'
This is something which generally gets neglected.


View: https://youtu.be/0V-2ZoBC7GE?feature=shared
Click to expand...


Interesting, wasn't aware that LCH test pilot officially said that LCH cannot be locked on by MANPAD above a km distance.

As @Hawkeye said, we need to add a self-protection system like Rudra on it. Also an ATGM. Currently only weapon LCH has is a 20-mm nose gun and some 70mm rockets.
 
mist_consecutive said:
Hinds are completely useless, yes. But Ka-52s have shown to be able to tank manpads and either fly away unharmed or do a controlled landing.



Interesting, wasn't aware that LCH test pilot officially said that LCH cannot be locked on by MANPAD above a km distance.
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I suppose it is for igla s manpad. Which is great. Even better manpads wouldn't lch at above 2km.
When ir signature is already low the effectiveness of flares increases for manpad.
mist_consecutive said:
As @Hawkeye said, we need to add a self-protection system like Rudra on it. Also an ATGM. Currently only weapon LCH has is a 20-mm nose gun and some 70mm rockets.
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This tbh dont feel much important to me.
Anyways we will not operate them in sam environment even if we did we will use them below the horizon. Where IR stealth is needed which we have.

Most important right now is the armament lch is a toothless defence less machine.
Its maws isn't ready yet atleast we haven't seen it. How it would be it will require some testing again. I dont know abt us but usa did testing of apaches on ground with stinger. The stinger went for flares. We should do it too. The rwr is no issue we are already good at it.

We just have a turret gun, and guided, unguided rockets.
Helina & sant integration need to be fastracked.
They want a tube launched loitering munitions.

We don't have a maverik class missile yet the Apaches have it we should make similar one.

And a fire control radar too.
 
DRDO is prioritising the development of a 30 kW Directed Energy Weapon (DEW) system to target and kill aerial objects. This is a niche technology being tested and employed by a handful of advanced militaries.

DRDO also plans to prioritise development of other key systems this year such as:
—Standalone 1-km range Anti-drone High Power Microwave System to take out enemy drones

—Maiden launch of the Long-Range Land Attack Cruise Missile for the IAF
There are also plans to develop the system for all aerial, naval and land platforms.

View: https://x.com/Defencematrix1/status/1836618437461750174?t=S3pk08uUbJO7iVOqP6hQcw&s=19
 
fire starter said:
DRDO is prioritising the development of a 30 kW Directed Energy Weapon (DEW) system to target and kill aerial objects. This is a niche technology being tested and employed by a handful of advanced militaries.

DRDO also plans to prioritise development of other key systems this year such as:
—Standalone 1-km range Anti-drone High Power Microwave System to take out enemy drones

—Maiden launch of the Long-Range Land Attack Cruise Missile for the IAF
There are also plans to develop the system for all aerial, naval and land platforms.

View: https://x.com/Defencematrix1/status/1836618437461750174?t=S3pk08uUbJO7iVOqP6hQcw&s=19
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LRLACM , is this the one or nirbhay?


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Blood+ said:
I don't think this 'level 6' is measured by NIJ specifications, is it??
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Nope, its ours.

The max for NIJ is Level 4; a single hit by .30-06 M2 AP. It's a steel cored 10.75g AP round at 835m/s, so the energy would be around 3.8kJ. For BIS Level 6 they're saying 7.62x54mmR API which would mean an energy of about 3.5kJ (10.4g @ 810m/s).

But then again the requirement is single hit in NIJ Vs multiple hit here...so in terms of NIJ this thing should be something like NIJ IV+
 
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