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Vishnugupt said:
I think it is your own requirement.

Kargil committee recommended high altitude attack helicopter but we brought Apache. Which is not unsuitable.

Now tell me which study suggested Apache for plains??
IA buying just 5 Apache is it enough for plains?? Or if is just money wasting?

Tell me why LCH is not adequate for plains??
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The Apache was purchased for it's longbow radar and the terrain mapping capability. Anybody who thinks using it in Himalayas was not the plan is wrong. The Longbow is ideal for peekaboo scan, shoot and scoot maneuvers and can lob ATGMs from behind peaks. As for anti-tank duty on plains, LCH can do the same job. Whatever sensors and payload advantage the Apache enjoys, the LCH can too with upgrades. But why would HAL be in a hurry to integrate all this shit when the principal customer is eager to give a cold shoulder so they can get a few more Apaches in. Army and Airforce were on each other's throats almost when divvying up the first batch of Apaches.
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narasimh said:
Manmohan bahadur is the usual suspect.. never have I ever heard him praise indigenous efforts and if he does it's always followed up with a caveat
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I often wonder what "hArD PoWeR aCcReTiOn" is there for IAF by 2014 compared to adversaries or even contemporaries.
They had,
In combat
1. Mig-21*
2. Mig-29*
3. Mirage-2000*
4. Sepecat Jaguar*
5. Su-30MKI
Auxiliaries:
1. 3 xAEWACS
2. 6 xTANKERs*
3. 0x Air To Ground Surveillance like JSTARs or SENTINEL
4. 0x Air To Ground Electronic Warfare Aircraft
5. 11x Heavy Transport Aircraft C-17
6. 17x Il-76*
7. 103x An-32*
8. 57x HS-148*
9. BAE Hawk*
10. HAL Kiran*
* Denotes Outdated and needs immediate replacement.
4 out of 5 fighter types are outdated. Even Su-30MKI needs Super Sukhoi standard to reach a proper 4.5th gen designation.

Is this what "Combat Capability" that these people boast of? Is there even any in first place unless we compare ourselves to some random Grade-C country's AF. Leave aside these by 2014, our equipment programs are

1. SRAAM- Nil
2. MRAAM- Astra succeeded but it is too late.
3. LRAAAM-Nil
4. Laser Guided Bombs-Nil
5. Glide Bombs-Nil
6. ARM-Nil
7. Air to Ground Missiles-Nil(Except Brahmos)
8. Pylon Mounted Jammers-Nil
9. Self Protection Jamming Pod-Nil
10. AESA Radar-Nil
11. EW Suite-Nil
12. HMDS- Nil

I have one question, genuinely don't these people even have an ounce of shame in them to lie straightly? They got smoked by PAF in 2019 and now boasting some non-existent Combat Capability.
 
SlayingHell said:
I often wonder what "hArD PoWeR aCcReTiOn" is there for IAF by 2014 compared to adversaries or even contemporaries.
They had,
In combat
1. Mig-21*
2. Mig-29*
3. Mirage-2000*
4. Sepecat Jaguar*
5. Su-30MKI
Auxiliaries:
1. 3 xAEWACS
2. 6 xTANKERs*
3. 0x Air To Ground Surveillance like JSTARs or SENTINEL
4. 0x Air To Ground Electronic Warfare Aircraft
5. 11x Heavy Transport Aircraft C-17
6. 17x Il-76*
7. 103x An-32*
8. 57x HS-148*
9. BAE Hawk*
10. HAL Kiran*
* Denotes Outdated and needs immediate replacement.
4 out of 5 fighter types are outdated. Even Su-30MKI needs Super Sukhoi standard to reach a proper 4.5th gen designation.

Is this what "Combat Capability" that these people boast of? Is there even any in first place unless we compare ourselves to some random Grade-C country's AF. Leave aside these by 2014, our equipment programs are

1. SRAAM- Nil
2. MRAAM- Astra succeeded but it is too late.
3. LRAAAM-Nil
4. Laser Guided Bombs-Nil
5. Glide Bombs-Nil
6. ARM-Nil
7. Air to Ground Missiles-Nil(Except Brahmos)
8. Pylon Mounted Jammers-Nil
9. Self Protection Jamming Pod-Nil
10. AESA Radar-Nil
11. EW Suite-Nil
12. HMDS- Nil

I have one question, genuinely don't these people even have an ounce of shame in them to lie straightly? They got smoked by PAF in 2019 and now boasting some non-existent Combat Capability.
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They are just middle men trying to get some money. Ball is on Armed forces people who does not take any steps to bridge the shortcomings. Also MODs usual stingyness and bending backwards.
 
ArjunMK1A said:
They are just middle men trying to get some money. Ball is on Armed forces people who does not take any steps to bridge the shortcomings. Also MODs usual stingyness and bending backwards.
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In another context, does IAF top brass think its too lowly of them to have something like Air Force Research Laboratory AFRL like USAF? Afterall they regularly salivate at foreign maal, don't they try to learn something from foreign AFs?
 
SlayingHell said:
I often wonder what "hArD PoWeR aCcReTiOn" is there for IAF by 2014 compared to adversaries or even contemporaries.
They had,
In combat
1. Mig-21*
2. Mig-29*
3. Mirage-2000*
4. Sepecat Jaguar*
5. Su-30MKI
Auxiliaries:
1. 3 xAEWACS
2. 6 xTANKERs*
3. 0x Air To Ground Surveillance like JSTARs or SENTINEL
4. 0x Air To Ground Electronic Warfare Aircraft
5. 11x Heavy Transport Aircraft C-17
6. 17x Il-76*
7. 103x An-32*
8. 57x HS-148*
9. BAE Hawk*
10. HAL Kiran*
* Denotes Outdated and needs immediate replacement.
4 out of 5 fighter types are outdated. Even Su-30MKI needs Super Sukhoi standard to reach a proper 4.5th gen designation.

Is this what "Combat Capability" that these people boast of? Is there even any in first place unless we compare ourselves to some random Grade-C country's AF. Leave aside these by 2014, our equipment programs are

1. SRAAM- Nil
2. MRAAM- Astra succeeded but it is too late.
3. LRAAAM-Nil
4. Laser Guided Bombs-Nil
5. Glide Bombs-Nil
6. ARM-Nil
7. Air to Ground Missiles-Nil(Except Brahmos)
8. Pylon Mounted Jammers-Nil
9. Self Protection Jamming Pod-Nil
10. AESA Radar-Nil
11. EW Suite-Nil
12. HMDS- Nil

I have one question, genuinely don't these people even have an ounce of shame in them to lie straightly? They got smoked by PAF in 2019 and now boasting some non-existent Combat Capability.
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GOI needs to make a statement by arresting some of these people and charge them as working for foreign interests and failing to declare themselves as foreign agents.
 
fire starter said:
After closing down drdo 360° AWACS program imported airforce is putting out RFI for 360° AWACS lol. In short they are asking for foreign system .

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1840048847671963784?t=G1w0oNc3o76UxB5s1kELHw&s=19

Wah re dalaali.
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Wait what tf. So the new airbus based awacs program is shut downed. When did this happen.
Or you talking abt idli like platforms.
Okay I get drdo's making the a 320' degree coverage platform.
This bigots are such a dalal mc.
 
Satish Sharma Ji said:
Wait what tf. So the new airbus based awacs program is shut downed. When did this happen.
Or you talking abt idli like platforms.
Okay I get drdo's making the a 320' degree coverage platform.
This bigots are such a dalal mc.
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No I guess he is talking about avro based 360° awacs
Which got crashed and project was shut
 
If we give very big order of c 17 is there possiblty that its production can be re started
 
username unkown said:
If we give very big order of c 17 is there possiblty that its production can be re started
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Only if somehow we can pool 4-5 countries and make them order C-17s too. By just ourselves we don't have the money and the foresight* to place a significant order.

*we can easily make a KC-17, an E-17 and a B-17 from that C-17 to cover all our needs for next few decades.

Ordering something is expensive.
Ordering something when economies of scale is not fully achieved is more expensive.
But ordering something when the production line has closed is expensive even for a country like Murica or otherwise they'd have started production of improved F-22 as a stopgap till NGAD long ago.
 
Ayan Barat said:
Only if somehow we can pool 4-5 countries and make them order C-17s too. By just ourselves we don't have the money and the foresight* to place a significant order.

*we can easily make a KC-17, an E-17 and a B-17 from that C-17 to cover all our needs for next few decades.

Ordering something is expensive.
Ordering something when economies of scale is not fully achieved is more expensive.
But ordering something when the production line has closed is expensive even for a country like Murica or otherwise they'd have started production of improved F-22 as a stopgap till NGAD long ago.
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With how much c 17 is used by us even in limited numbers if we had it in big numbers it would solve alot of problems
 
username unkown said:
If we give very big order of c 17 is there possiblty that its production can be re started
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Think 50-60 birds for Boeing to even show interest. Also I'm guessing babus would want this production line in India. Which requires airlifting the defunct plant to India. We can do it, but it'll be ridiculously expensive. Also there is this minor "problem" with the Pratt & Whitney F117 engines, which the US congress will never clear for production in India (as ToT will also be involved with an order this massive), as they do with anything P&W makes. Which means asking Rolls-Royce for an engine and getting it certified on a testbed C-17. Then we'll ask for India-specific "enhancements", which will further convolute this already complicated process.
 
I think people are taking this news the wrong way, from what I understand this RFI does not mean Netra Mk1A or Netra Mk 2 are abandoned, because Netra MK 2 already have CCS sanction and Netra Mk 1A is also DAC approved and L1 is already chosen for the project (If I am not it was Adani's Alpha Design Technologies Ltd)
Instead in my opinion a new AEW&C a "Netra Mk 3" if you will for post 2030 is in the making
 
Corvus Splendens said:
Nah they want more A-50s.
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The last time the IAF approached the MoD , the proposal for 2 such systems worth ~1 billion USD was shot down for high costs ostensibly by the MoF.

Now they're asking for 6 nos , that too the Russians are ruled out & given the sensitivity of the project so will Boeing which leaves Airbus.

Then apart from procurement there's the issue of modification & testing. It's a 10 year long project. Meanwhile I wonder if they plan to upgrade the existing Phalcons in our inventory. They're already close to 2 decades old. Why isn't this on the IAF's priority list ?
 
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