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ALH is the very first heli we've designed so leave some slack for HAL.

Blackhawk is definitely not the first helicopter Sikorsky, let alone USA designed? But still in almost 5,000 or so produced there's record of close to 400 incidents with almost 1,000 fatalities.
To itna to chalta hai

The only instance when this outrage would be justified is if it turns out that it's the same cause in recurring incidents. Then it's a matter of serious incompetence
 
ALH is the very first heli we've designed so leave some slack for HAL.

Blackhawk is definitely not the first helicopter Sikorsky, let alone USA designed? But still in almost 5,000 or so produced there's record of close to 400 incidents with almost 1,000 fatalities.
To itna to chalta hai

The only instance when this outrage would be justified is if it turns out that it's the same cause in recurring incidents. Then it's a matter of serious incompetence
I also think the same but the service period is very less of dhruv..
Anyways first Helo so yeah.
Blackhawks have very long service period they are still in service will remain for a longer period.
We need to achieve something similar we're in initial Blackhawk days ig.
 
What made u think like this ?
DRDO did, they publish real range with nearly everything else, why would they hide the range only in this particular case.
Eg. They published real range of Astra Mk 1, they published real range of Astra Mk 3, they even did it with QRSAM.
If DRDO mentions real ranges of everything else why would they lie only in this particular case.
Either the solid rocket motors used in Akash NG are really shitty or the range is being artificially capped.
My conspiracy theory is that Yahoodi lobby felt threatened that their MRSAM sales could plummet so they did what lobbies do best sabotage the program with the help of Armed Forces, nothing else explains the reason as to why the same DRDO who used to mention the range to be 80km, now says Akash NG has a range of just 30 km.


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Credit: Porky_kicker sir ji


For reference this is how big Akash NG is
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New products by DLJ, drdo.

1) Under Water Gamma Radiation Monitoring System(UGRMS).

2) Vehicle Radioactivity Contamination Monitoring System (VRCMS): To monitor contamination of a vehicle through plastic scintillator-based radiation detector.

3) Dirt Extractor-cum-Cross Contamination Monitor (DECCOM): To extract dirt from the shoe sole and declare the contamination level.

4) Environment Surveillance Vehicle (ESV) Mk-II:Constructed on wheeled vehicle with 23 nos of different kind of detection systems.

5) Adaptive Visual and Thermal Add-on System: This system generates visual colour patterns adaptively onto the vehicle to match the deployment background colour so that the vehicle merges with the background. The system is made up of flexible, active panels. The panels are suitably fastened over the fabric substrate without hindering vehicle movement.

6) The IR Prediction and Analysis Tool: The IR prediction tool is capable of estimating both spectral as well as spatial radiance of given airborne object. The tool can generate all required input for IR prediction from CAD model. Also, it can import CAD/Mesh/CFD data from other sources to estimate IR signature levels.

7) Sigma Software: Software Sigma is specifically developed to fulfil the requirements of Armed Forces for camouflage pattern painting of military objects in visible region. Software facilitate user for computer aided design of camouflage pattern as per deployment terrain. It can generate pattern for camouflage scene simulation in synthetic 3D environment.

8) IR Obscurant Materials: The
IROM is a niche technology
to create IR cloud around
defence assets, thus reducing
IR detection in both the MWIR
& LWIR bands. The material
is lightweight, with diameter
of few microns and having
high persistence time. The live
demonstration of the Infra-red
Obscurant Material (IROM) was carried out.

9) CBRN Hazard Prediction
Software: Used for prediction
of nuclear and chemically
contaminated area for the
fall out zone and operation
exposure guidelines.
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India has about 400+ dhruv helicopters compared to 150-200 mi 8. Keep this in mind while thinking crash rates

India operates ~300+ Dhruv's (Rudra included) in all 3-services + coastguard.
Whereas IAF operates ~220-250 Mi-17 variants.

I am not sure where you got that 400+ Dhruv numbers.



What is a psychological screening tool for snipers and how is it used ?
 
India operates ~300+ Dhruv's (Rudra included) in all 3-services + coastguard.
Whereas IAF operates ~220-250 Mi-17 variants.

I am not sure where you got that 400+ Dhruv numbers.
I got it cumulative number from this article:
 
There has been a lot of R-R by the usual suspects during the last couple of days after Iran carried out Operation True Promise 2.0.

Almost everyone and his chamcha were vehemently questioning the logic behind the absence of an IRGC styled conventionally armed rocket force in the Indian armed forces.

What these amateur folks don't realise or comprehend is that Iran was FORCED to raise such a rocket force due to the lack of modern 4th gen fighter jets and strike acs. IRGC didn't do it out of luxury or jealousy of the PLA 2nd Artillery corps now renamed as rocket force. Due to international sanctions on Iran after the revolution in 79, IRAF has been unable to buy any new aircrafts. So in absence of a modern air force OR a force armed with 3rd gen acs but having the latest sensors and pods like our Jags, Iran is compelled to raise a potent missile force in order to be able to deliver ordnance on target with relative accuracy and precision over long distances.

Now is this the case with us? Ofcourse not.

Just look at the attacked nation. Israel. How many conventionally armed Jericho IRBM and Popeye ALCM do you think they have? The figure must be in single digit because they have the means to prosecute any ground target far beyond their borders through the application of airpower using manned 4th and 5th gen strike acs.


Now coming to the specifics. Most accounts say that IRGC launched 200 ballistic missiles towards Israel. Some quote this fif as 220. But 181 BM actually managed to fly to Israel.
IRGC used Kheibar Shekan-1/2, Fattah-1 , Emad and Ghadr F/H IRBM in this operation.

Now coming to the maths.

Let's assume that 90 KS-1/2 and Fattah-1 were launched. And the rest 91 were Emad , Ghadr F/H.

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Kheibar Shekhan 1/2 and Fattah-1 has a max payload of 500 kg. Obviously with this range will be less than 1450 km but let us take 500 kg as mass of ordnance delivered by each of the 90 missiles.
So total payload of 90 missiles = 90*500 = 45000 kg


Now let's come to Ghadr.

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Ghadr and Emad have been derived from Shahab-3 which itself is derived from Noko No Dong MRBM which in turn is based on Scud F. They are all liquid fuelled.

Max payload is 750 kg. But this will obviously be smaller for max range of 1700 km. Let us take the max payload .

So total ordnance delivered by 91 Ghadr F/H and Emad = 91*750 = 68250 kg.


TOTAL payload delivered to targets in Op True Promise 2.0 by 181 ballistic missiles

= 45000 + 68250 kg
= 113.25 tons.



Now let's come to Bharat.

What will it take to deliver the same mass of firepower in terms of manned air power?

For the purpose of asset preservation, I will be using only standoff munitions.
The easiest way to deliver such a strike with precision exceeding those of the Iranian BM will be to use Su-30MKI armed with LRGB aka Gaurav.

Gaurav has a max range of 100 km when launched from 33000 ft. In ideal conditions when the wind speed is 0, it has a 80+ km range. Weighs 1000 kg. And in terms of explosive content, the fraction is higher compared to BM warheads. Ie per unit kg of LRGB will have more mass of actual explosives be it HMX or Dentex or CL-20 than per unit mass of Fattah-1 and Emad warheads.



Su-30 MKI can carry a max of 5 LRGB. If a MKI carries 5, then 113.25÷5 = 22.65 sorties or 23 sorties will be required.

Now 22 individual Su-30 MKI can be used or 10 Sukhois can conduct multiple sorties(atleast 2) to deliver this ordnance on target.

So what was achieved by 181 BM can be done by only 22 Su-30 MKI each with 5 Gaurav glide bombs.
Now doubting Harry and family will say , but sir 5 ton is too heavy a bombload to be ferried across a range of 1400+ km. So aerial refuellers will be required. Because besides the bombs, AAM and SPJ will be carried by the Sukhois and so weapons payload per aircraft will cross 6.5 tons.

Now let's come to the aerial refueling part .
IL-78M can transfer a max of 105 tons.
At a distance of 1000 km from base, 74 tons of fuel can be transferred. When it's 2000 km, the figure is 56 tons.

If we take the 56 tons figure at 2000 km from home airbase, each IL-78MKI can transfer 6 tons to 9 Su-30MKI. Three refuellers can transfer to 27 Su-30MKI. If the acs are refuelled at 1000 km distance, each IL-78 MKI can refuel 12 acs. So two IL-78mki will suffice.

OR there will be another 23 Su-30MKI which will serve as buddy refuellers and transfer a part of their internal fuel load of 9540 kg or something like that to the attacking Su-30 MK.


Now if we are rise averse and don't want to use a large no of acs and big slow aerial refuellers like IL-78MKI, we can reduce bomb load to 3 Gauravs per Su-30 MKI for a total of 3 ton of ordnance delivered per ac. With a reduced payload, Su-30MKI can cover the required distance without the need for tanker air refuelling.

Besides, 3 LRGB, each MKI will be carrying wingtip mounted ASPJ, 2 R-74 or 2 Asraam , 4 Adder or 4 Astra mk2. The payload per ac in this config won't exceed 5.2 tons.

In this scenario we will need 38 Su-30MKI to deliver the same mass of ordnance on target as the Iranians did with their 181 ballistic missiles.


And each Su-30MKI or for that matter any aircraft can carry out multiple sorties unlike single use BM.


It is for these reasons that most modern nations having access to modern 4, 4++, 5 gen jets and modern pods and sensors from international OEM don't have conventional rocket force. Only Russia and China does. South Korea does have a limited stockpile of Hyumoo series of BM but we too have our Prithvi -1,2,3 and Brahmos for conventional strikes.
 
There has been a lot of R-R by the usual suspects during the last couple of days after Iran carried out Operation True Promise 2.0.

Almost everyone and his chamcha were vehemently questioning the logic behind the absence of an IRGC styled conventionally armed rocket force in the Indian armed forces.

What these amateur folks don't realise or comprehend is that Iran was FORCED to raise such a rocket force due to the lack of modern 4th gen fighter jets and strike acs. IRGC didn't do it out of luxury or jealousy of the PLA 2nd Artillery corps now renamed as rocket force. Due to international sanctions on Iran after the revolution in 79, IRAF has been unable to buy any new aircrafts. So in absence of a modern air force OR a force armed with 3rd gen acs but having the latest sensors and pods like our Jags, Iran is compelled to raise a potent missile force in order to be able to deliver ordnance on target with relative accuracy and precision over long distances.

Now is this the case with us? Ofcourse not.

Just look at the attacked nation. Israel. How many conventionally armed Jericho IRBM and Popeye ALCM do you think they have? The figure must be in single digit because they have the means to prosecute any ground target far beyond their borders through the application of airpower using manned 4th and 5th gen strike acs.


Now coming to the specifics. Most accounts say that IRGC launched 200 ballistic missiles towards Israel. Some quote this fif as 220. But 181 BM actually managed to fly to Israel.
IRGC used Kheibar Shekan-1/2, Fattah-1 , Emad and Ghadr F/H IRBM in this operation.

Now coming to the maths.

Let's assume that 90 KS-1/2 and Fattah-1 were launched. And the rest 91 were Emad , Ghadr F/H.

View attachment 11059


Kheibar Shekhan 1/2 and Fattah-1 has a max payload of 500 kg. Obviously with this range will be less than 1450 km but let us take 500 kg as mass of ordnance delivered by each of the 90 missiles.
So total payload of 90 missiles = 90*500 = 45000 kg


Now let's come to Ghadr.

View attachment 11060

Ghadr and Emad have been derived from Shahab-3 which itself is derived from Noko No Dong MRBM which in turn is based on Scud F. They are all liquid fuelled.

Max payload is 750 kg. But this will obviously be smaller for max range of 1700 km. Let us take the max payload .

So total ordnance delivered by 91 Ghadr F/H and Emad = 91*750 = 68250 kg.


TOTAL payload delivered to targets in Op True Promise 2.0 by 181 ballistic missiles

= 45000 + 68250 kg
= 113.25 tons.



Now let's come to Bharat.

What will it take to deliver the same mass of firepower in terms of manned air power?

For the purpose of asset preservation, I will be using only standoff munitions.
The easiest way to deliver such a strike with precision exceeding those of the Iranian BM will be to use Su-30MKI armed with LRGB aka Gaurav.

Gaurav has a max range of 100 km when launched from 33000 ft. In ideal conditions when the wind speed is 0, it has a 80+ km range. Weighs 1000 kg. And in terms of explosive content, the fraction is higher compared to BM warheads. Ie per unit kg of LRGB will have more mass of actual explosives be it HMX or Dentex or CL-20 than per unit mass of Fattah-1 and Emad warheads.



Su-30 MKI can carry a max of 5 LRGB. If a MKI carries 5, then 113.25÷5 = 22.65 sorties or 23 sorties will be required.

Now 22 individual Su-30 MKI can be used or 10 Sukhois can conduct multiple sorties(atleast 2) to deliver this ordnance on target.

So what was achieved by 181 BM can be done by only 22 Su-30 MKI each with 5 Gaurav glide bombs.
Now doubting Harry and family will say , but sir 5 ton is too heavy a bombload to be ferried across a range of 1400+ km. So aerial refuellers will be required. Because besides the bombs, AAM and SPJ will be carried by the Sukhois and so weapons payload per aircraft will cross 6.5 tons.

Now let's come to the aerial refueling part .
IL-78M can transfer a max of 105 tons.
At a distance of 1000 km from base, 74 tons of fuel can be transferred. When it's 2000 km, the figure is 56 tons.

If we take the 56 tons figure at 2000 km from home airbase, each IL-78MKI can transfer 6 tons to 9 Su-30MKI. Three refuellers can transfer to 27 Su-30MKI. If the acs are refuelled at 1000 km distance, each IL-78 MKI can refuel 12 acs. So two IL-78mki will suffice.

OR there will be another 23 Su-30MKI which will serve as buddy refuellers and transfer a part of their internal fuel load of 9540 kg or something like that to the attacking Su-30 MK.


Now if we are rise averse and don't want to use a large no of acs and big slow aerial refuellers like IL-78MKI, we can reduce bomb load to 3 Gauravs per Su-30 MKI for a total of 3 ton of ordnance delivered per ac. With a reduced payload, Su-30MKI can cover the required distance without the need for tanker air refuelling.

Besides, 3 LRGB, each MKI will be carrying wingtip mounted ASPJ, 2 R-74 or 2 Asraam , 4 Adder or 4 Astra mk2. The payload per ac in this config won't exceed 5.2 tons.

In this scenario we will need 38 Su-30MKI to deliver the same mass of ordnance on target as the Iranians did with their 181 ballistic missiles.


And each Su-30MKI or for that matter any aircraft can carry out multiple sorties unlike single use BM.


It is for these reasons that most modern nations having access to modern 4, 4++, 5 gen jets and modern pods and sensors from international OEM don't have conventional rocket force. Only Russia and China does. South Korea does have a limited stockpile of Hyumoo series of BM but we too have our Prithvi -1,2,3 and Brahmos for conventional strikes.
E X A C T L Y

At last someone seemed sane enough to say it out loud. Thank you my guy...may Maa Shailputri grant you with more serenity.

Iran fired a ton of missiles, maximum got intercepted, not one HVT was hit accurately (we still don't know what was there in that one hanger) and just a single poor fella lost his life. And the only conclusion our defence experts drew from it was that we need more missiles. People started putting numbers like ration lists...431 Prahaar, 216 Shaurya, 312 Pralay. Pages like Alpha Defense started giving detailed article.

And I was like, really? This is what you saw!? The writing's on the wall that we need a proper integrated ADS-BMD system like Israel and you all are just seeing some inaccurate missile.

On one hand Israel is casually doing multiple exo-atmospheric interception and on the other we want Fattah-2.
We're really a curious case
 
Wwweeeeeeeeee
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As of now, our ADS and especially BMD is virtually non-existent versus what might come from PLA. PLAN's primary weapon against our vessels would be AShBMs and only now we've started tinkering with ship based BMD. So until we get an Arrow-Stunner-Tamir like coverage we're just sitting ducks.

Thank god the Cheeni sarkar are bigger pussies than ours, limiting their stunts to chindi salami-slicing bs
 
Wwweeeeeeeeee
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As of now, our ADS and especially BMD is virtually non-existent versus what might come from PLA. PLAN's primary weapon against our vessels would be AShBMs and only now we've started tinkering with ship based BMD. So until we get an Arrow-Stunner-Tamir like coverage we're just sitting ducks.
This could be our best bet against ballistic missile, least to mention drones lol 😂 😂 😂
 
The next phase of this is called the "Acute Stress for Sniper - Rifle" test or ASS - Rifle test in short. Here the Grunt is handed a SVD with a 4x scope and made to suffer for as long as possible
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The PSO-1 is old enough to get a pension.
 
Wwweeeeeeeeee
View attachment 11068
As of now, our ADS and especially BMD is virtually non-existent versus what might come from PLA. PLAN's primary weapon against our vessels would be AShBMs and only now we've started tinkering with ship based BMD. So until we get an Arrow-Stunner-Tamir like coverage we're just sitting ducks.
This is genius. When the rifles eventually jam or fail to feed/eject, the operator can just run for his life rather than trying to fruitlessly rectify the malfunction. Smart and efficient. Hitting something is a bonus.
 
Drdo- IITD soft body armour.

soft body armour generally consists of multiple layers of high-performance fabrics and can provide protection according to BIS Level 1 and NIJ level III A (velocity up to 430 m/s). Lightweight soft armour has been developed with active support from the Defence Research and Development Organization (DRDO). Woven and unidirectional (UD) fabrics made from aramids, and ultra-high molecular weight polyethylene (UHMWPE) fabrics and laminates have been used in different configurations. To enhance the energy absorbing capacity, these fabrics have been treated with shear thickening fluids (STFs). Continuous efforts are being made to modify these STFs using graphene oxide, halloysite nanotubes, cellulose nanofibres, etc. as well. Four Indian patents have been granted in this area. Salient Features: o UHMWPE UD laminates and woven p-aramid structures incorporated with smart fluid o Stops 9×19 mm lead core bullet (speed 430 m·s-1) with maximum back face < 25 mm (BIS Level 1) o Protection area of 3800 cm2 covering full torso and areal density of 3.7 kg·m-2.
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