DRDO and PSU's

[Satish Sharma Ji]

> But whatever the case is, everything I said above, or you ranted become moot as no matter what we have, we can't integrate it unless we're allowed to by providing source codes.

They are importing gbus worth 3 billion I doubt it's for drone alone.

 

[Azaad]

They are importing gbus worth 3 billion I doubt it's for drone alone.

Where are you getting this information from ? I haven't seen a single article corroborating what you're claiming

 

[Ayan Barat]

They are importing gbus worth 3 billion I doubt it's for drone alone.

Don't know why people keep forgetting the details of deals, last time someone was mad that we got just 22 Apaches for $3 billion...completely ignoring those 15 Chinooks also included in $3 billion. This time it's you

$3.3 billion is for 31 MQ-9, 170 AGM-114R and reportedly 310 GBU-39B/B.

Even novices like us can run up the economics of this by open source data.
> Min price of an AGM-114R is about $75,000; for 170 is would be $13 million.
> Min price of an GBU-39B is almost $40,000; for 310 it would be too be $13 million.
(figures from Fiscal Year and Overseas Contingency Operations budget, 2021. Can look up the article on TWZ)

Total cost of weapons package = $26 million
Deducting that from $3.3 billion doesn't make much different...so per unit cost comes to roughly $103 million.

$738 million is what Italy paid in August this year for 6x MQ-9 Block 5 aircraft with just 12x EO systems and 9x maritime SAR.
Or $123 million.

Compared to them we actually saved some $0.62 billion in the whole deal given the bulk nature of the order.

 

[Blademaster]

An indigenous platform would always be better than an imported one. Period
In short term it may be extremely substandard in terms of features or price but in a long term it'll always be better as one, you'd no uncertainty regarding its availability and second, you can modify it.

But the problem is, ultimately everyone's a buyer and you need good bling, features, gimmicks to compel a buyer to buy your product instead of others.
How many of us here would buy a Lava or MicroMax phone?

And how many of you would expect their products to be bricked if you guys do not toe the US line?

Not the same thing.

 

[Ayan Barat]

And how many of you would expect their products to be bricked if you guys do not toe the US line?

Not the same thing.

Rich, coming when almost all of your heavy lift capability, both fixed and rotary and all of your aerial ASuWs capability is mohtaj of US.

As for your question...the number of platforms I'd expect to be bricked by US would be pretty much in the ballpark of all the F-14 Tomcats & F-4 Phantoms in Iranian and Sikorsky S-70s in Chinese service that have been bricked so far.

 

[Blademaster]

Rich, coming when almost all of your heavy lift capability, both fixed and rotary and all of your aerial ASuWs capability is mohtaj of US.

As for your question...the number of platforms I'd expect to be bricked by US would be pretty much in the ballpark of all the F-14 Tomcats & F-4 Phantoms in Iranian and Sikorsky S-70s in Chinese service that have been bricked so far.

You can't make those platforms useless by bricking the electronics therein. But on the Reapers, you can brick the electronics and the Reapers turn into useless playthings.

 

[Ayan Barat]

You can't make those platforms useless by bricking the electronics therein. But on the Reapers, you can brick the electronics and the Reapers turn into useless playthings.

So let's assume US does this. A Reaper is crashed, heck all the 31 Reapers are crashed. What would we lose in? A whopping $3 billion. But ever bothered asking what US would lose because of that? A measly $230 billion worth of defence export market.

No matter where ever you go on this planet, the word "chinese" is synonyms with low quality in consumer market and people usually avoid it. This is what happens when your reputation gets tarnished. And in defence & aerospace people are way way more unforgiving.

Read what happened with Australian NH-90s after they developed a bad reputation.
Read what'll now happen to whole Swiss arms industry after it developed the image of an unreliable defence contractor who can falter on deliveries in midst of war, citing its neutrality policies.

 

[Blademaster]

So let's assume US does this. A Reaper is crashed, heck all the 31 Reapers are crashed. What would we lose in? A whopping $3 billion. But ever bothered asking what US would lose because of that? A measly $230 billion worth of defence export market.

No matter where ever you go on this planet, the word "chinese" is synonyms with low quality in consumer market and people usually avoid it. This is what happens when your reputation gets tarnished. And in defence & aerospace people are way way more unforgiving.

Read what happened with Australian NH-90s after they developed a bad reputation.
Read what'll now happen to whole Swiss arms industry after it developed the image of an unreliable defence contractor who can falter on deliveries in midst of war, citing its neutrality policies.

I don't think there's enough kool aid in the world to satisfy your thirst.

 

[Ayan Barat]

I don't think there's enough kool aid in the world to satisfy your thirst.

And I think I've already told you few days back what you need to be told

Arre Chacha, kabhi kabhi maan leni chahiye saamnewaale ki baat...chhote thode hi ho jaaoge

 

[Blademaster]

And I think I've already told you few days back what you need to be told

And you need to give the benefit of the doubt to your elders. Don't be like an western schmuck by not listening to your elders.

 

[Patriots]

Sad state of affairs.

View: https://x.com/sriramthg/status/1846094296765673528?t=mWh-nHDtKblJaP3yy8Nmyg&s=19
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Guess what no PR so no funds.

We live in a country , where we have 70+ attack helicopters without atgms , which primary role is anti armour
We live in a country where emergency procurement is only for foreign maals

 

[fire starter]

Double wall cooled turbine blade.


Nano steel.

 

[KAB7777]

Don't know why people keep forgetting the details of deals, last time someone was mad that we got just 22 Apaches for $3 billion...completely ignoring those 15 Chinooks also included in $3 billion. This time it's you

$3.3 billion is for 31 MQ-9, 170 AGM-114R and reportedly 310 GBU-39B/B.

Even novices like us can run up the economics of this by open source data.
> Min price of an AGM-114R is about $75,000; for 170 is would be $13 million.
> Min price of an GBU-39B is almost $40,000; for 310 it would be too be $13 million.
(figures from Fiscal Year and Overseas Contingency Operations budget, 2021. Can look up the article on TWZ)

Total cost of weapons package = $26 million
Deducting that from $3.3 billion doesn't make much different...so per unit cost comes to roughly $103 million.

$738 million is what Italy paid in August this year for 6x MQ-9 Block 5 aircraft with just 12x EO systems and 9x maritime SAR.
Or $123 million.

Compared to them we actually saved some $0.62 billion in the whole deal given the bulk nature of the order.

You’re also forgetting our notorious Import Duties are included in this. Indian Customs are very picky about this even with Defence Equipment purchased by the Armed Forces.

Brand New MiG Jet Stuck At Goa Port, Customs Duty Not Paid

For nine days, a brand new MiG-29K fighter plane acquired from Russia has been standing at the Goa port.

www.ndtv.com

 

[Ayan Barat]

You’re also forgetting our notorious Import Duties are included in this. Indian Customs are very picky about this even with Defence Equipment purchased by the Armed Forces.

Brand New MiG Jet Stuck At Goa Port, Customs Duty Not Paid

For nine days, a brand new MiG-29K fighter plane acquired from Russia has been standing at the Goa port.

www.ndtv.com

Spoiler

 

[fire starter]

What people don't know is that tapas is having an intelligent mission computer (MC) which is basically networked with other avionic subsystems to aid the pilot in mission planning, mission execution and workload management etc.,with the use of AI techniques.



Apart from that it is also having advanced path planning to reduce the chance or avoid UAV being tracked by an enemy radar.



I doubt such capabilities are present in imported drones since no one will offer it to us.

 

[Blademaster]

Spoiler

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This could be stupid bureaucracy running amok here. How can you collect duties from yourself? however this could also be ingenious when you are trying to force the military to buy domestic weapons.

 

[fire starter]

Secure and Dedicated Communication Network (SDCN) by cdot .



I hope it's hardware is having proper temper proof feature otherwise our corrupt babus will sell it to our enemies.

They may have already done it.
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View: https://x.com/Ravi3pathi/status/1846131422219714925?t=bEUrw8hY4KSZ_fJ4hpap0Q&s=19

 

[shuturmurg]

Any updates on Mk1A? When will it be delivered?

 

[mist_consecutive]

Exactly for what tapas was supposed to do it does better.
For ior we can have much more advance platform as the sam density is much much less and chances of its survival are way more there compared to even a paki front.

For the love of Shree Krishna, all of you, please, please stop making these foolish arguments -

• Spending money on MQ-9 is useless, it can easily be shot down by SAMs.
  
  You know what else can easily be shot down by SAM ? Any slow flying object including transport, helicopters and any type of drone.
  
  These are utility platforms used outside of enemy's weapon range. Drones like MQ-9 hover at 40k ft. (way outside of MANPAD range) and can still see 20-30 km away easily. 99% of time is preparation for war, 1% time is actual war. ISTAR platforms like MQ-9 are crucial assets for such "preparation".
  
  
• Tapas is a cheaper option than MQ-9, we should have gone for that.
  
  Tapas is cheaper but cannot replace MQ-9, but can complement it. Performance, sensor suite, comm. datalink, weapons, all exceeds that of what Tapas currently offers.
  
  IMO 31 MQ-9 should be complemented with ~50-60 Tapas for non-demanding roles & handing majority of non-specialised tasks.
  
  
• Tapas was unjustly rejected because it cannot reach 30k ft., requirements are unfair.
  
  As a matter of fact requirements are not only fair but also made lenient for Tapas. Heron & Eitans fly above 35k feet consistently for multiple hours over Himalayas gathering data (we have observed this, can confirm). This is necessary because Himalayan mountains near LAC & northern LoC have ground level at 13k feet and general terrain touches 20k feet regularly.
  An RPA flying at 27k will not get the LoS to look towards the enemy territory without compromising its position.
  
  

 

[TopWatcher]

For the love of Shree Krishna, all of you, please, please stop making these foolish arguments -

• Spending money on MQ-9 is useless, it can easily be shot down by SAMs.
  
  You know what else can easily be shot down by SAM ? Any slow flying object including transport, helicopters and any type of drone.
  
  These are utility platforms used outside of enemy's weapon range. Drones like MQ-9 hover at 40k ft. (way outside of MANPAD range) and can still see 20-30 km away easily. 99% of time is preparation for war, 1% time is actual war. ISTAR platforms like MQ-9 are crucial assets for such "preparation".
  
  
• Tapas is a cheaper option than MQ-9, we should have gone for that.
  
  Tapas is cheaper but cannot replace MQ-9, but can complement it. Performance, sensor suite, comm. datalink, weapons, all exceeds that of what Tapas currently offers.
  
  IMO 31 MQ-9 should be complemented with ~50-60 Tapas for non-demanding roles & handing majority of non-specialised tasks.
  
  
• Tapas was unjustly rejected because it cannot reach 30k ft., requirements are unfair.
  
  As a matter of fact requirements are not only fair but also made lenient for Tapas. Heron & Eitans fly above 35k feet consistently for multiple hours over Himalayas gathering data (we have observed this, can confirm). This is necessary because Himalayan mountains near LAC & northern LoC have ground level at 13k feet and general terrain touches 20k feet regularly.
  An RPA flying at 27k will not get the LoS to look towards the enemy territory without compromising its position.
  

Actually govt knows this. Its hafte that we giving to US to keep them in our control.
These machines are just eyewash to pay hafta to them.

Let it be until we reach china position.