DRDO and PSU's

[Aaj Ka Hero]

So madar**** dalals are creating a whole new category to push foreign maal at the cost of indigenous systems.

View: https://x.com/Tej_Intel/status/1846799427102822437?t=Aig-IvneW5b3QiNHyIihMA&s=19

It is not possible without political will, seems like mahamanav needs new source of funding for his party.

It's better to bury the jumlebaazi of atmanirbharta.

View: https://x.com/AdithyaKM_/status/1846820042014708115?t=E5O8_jqY3xlLJzt8Ik2TGA&s=19

Let's wait sirji.

 

[shade2]

So madar**** dalals are creating a whole new category to push foreign maal at the cost of indigenous systems.

View: https://x.com/Tej_Intel/status/1846799427102822437?t=Aig-IvneW5b3QiNHyIihMA&s=19

It is not possible without political will, seems like mahamanav needs new source of funding for his party.

It's better to bury the jumlebaazi of atmanirbharta.

View: https://x.com/AdithyaKM_/status/1846820042014708115?t=E5O8_jqY3xlLJzt8Ik2TGA&s=19

Who is this TejIntel?

ToI says roadblocks in deal because Justinder

India's plan to buy Stryker armoured vehicles hits snag amid diplomatic rift with Canada

Doubts have emerged over the Indian Army's plan to procure Stryker armoured vehicles from Canada amidst deteriorating diplomatic relations, with the indigenous WhAP program, a collaboration between DRDO and Tata Advanced Systems, offering a competitive alternative and gaining traction for...

economictimes.indiatimes.com

Anyway this was known to be a Jaziya deal

 

[darkindie]

Stryker was never going to happen irrespective of what is happening with kaneda. No one from the BHARATIYE military or gormint has said anything about stryker.

The Hindu (western bootlicker) had put out an article saying army was preparing for stryker evaluations and trials and from then onwards chestbeating and bangle breaking started all over the net and media.

Defsec Lloyd Austin can kang on and on about discussing about mass producing stryker in bharat because he is THE salesman for ameriCAN'T MIC.

If somebody can finally post the tender for WHAP and see the it's procurement is under IDDM category, people on this forum can finally fucking stop about stryker.

Americans lobbied hard in Isreal for f16 and killed the israeli lavi indigenous fighter program. So if israelis rejected stryker. Stryker for sure will not come in Bharat.
(Ps mahindra and tata both gib monies to bhaji pao and babus if people are thinking on that tangent)

 

[shade2]

So madar**** dalals are creating a whole new category to push foreign maal at the cost of indigenous systems.

View: https://x.com/Tej_Intel/status/1846799427102822437?t=Aig-IvneW5b3QiNHyIihMA&s=19

It is not possible without political will, seems like mahamanav needs new source of funding for his party.

It's better to bury the jumlebaazi of atmanirbharta.

View: https://x.com/AdithyaKM_/status/1846820042014708115?t=E5O8_jqY3xlLJzt8Ik2TGA&s=19

So i found a non paywall archive of that ET article

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Just posting excerpts relevant to us

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New Delhi: Plummeting diplomatic relations with Canada have raised doubts about Indian Army's plan to buy Ontario-produced Stryker armoured vehicles. The infantry combat vehicles, predominantly used by the US, had been part of the Indo-American talks for coproduction of military equipment, with a senior US official mentioning progress and forward movement in June.

Manufactured by General Dynamics Land Systems Canada (GDLS-C), the vehicles were being pushed for use by the Army in forward areas, especially on the border with China in Ladakh. In June, a senior US official said that things are in the 'early stages' but the US plans to demonstrate the "capabilities of the Stryker to the Indian Army at an early opportunity".


Sources said that there has been no forward movement and no decision has been taken on moving the procurement forward. For the past year, a sustained campaign has been launched to sell Canadian vehicles to India, with the project being touted as part of the 'Atmanirbhar Bharat' initiative

However, early plans being outlined suggested direct purchase of an unspecified number of the vehicles from the Ontario plant, followed by a co-production with GDLS-C. These plans had raised hackles with Indian defence companies that have sunk in crores into research and development efforts to produce similar vehicles customised for Indian needs.
ET has learnt that industry leaders have raised the issue with the government, emphasising that domestic options designed and developed in consultation with the armed forces are available and the Stryker coproduction would be of little value.

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TLDR is Tata Sahibs are mad that Amerisharts unke mooh ka nivala cheen rahe hai.

So it's not only us dephens phanboys who are getting High BP over this

 

[Azaad]

So i found a non paywall archive of that ET article

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Just posting excerpts relevant to us

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New Delhi: Plummeting diplomatic relations with Canada have raised doubts about Indian Army's plan to buy Ontario-produced Stryker armoured vehicles. The infantry combat vehicles, predominantly used by the US, had been part of the Indo-American talks for coproduction of military equipment, with a senior US official mentioning progress and forward movement in June.

Manufactured by General Dynamics Land Systems Canada (GDLS-C), the vehicles were being pushed for use by the Army in forward areas, especially on the border with China in Ladakh. In June, a senior US official said that things are in the 'early stages' but the US plans to demonstrate the "capabilities of the Stryker to the Indian Army at an early opportunity".


Sources said that there has been no forward movement and no decision has been taken on moving the procurement forward. For the past year, a sustained campaign has been launched to sell Canadian vehicles to India, with the project being touted as part of the 'Atmanirbhar Bharat' initiative

However, early plans being outlined suggested direct purchase of an unspecified number of the vehicles from the Ontario plant, followed by a co-production with GDLS-C. These plans had raised hackles with Indian defence companies that have sunk in crores into research and development efforts to produce similar vehicles customised for Indian needs.
ET has learnt that industry leaders have raised the issue with the government, emphasising that domestic options designed and developed in consultation with the armed forces are available and the Stryker coproduction would be of little value.

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TLDR is Tata Sahibs are mad that Amerisharts unke mooh ka nivala cheen rahe hai.

So it's not only us dephens phanboys who are getting High BP over this

I think it was @Corvus Splendens IIRC who speculated on DFI that these Strykers the IA is looking to procure were for a specific role in limited numbers & not for your regular IFV or APC roles .

That role was speculated to be either C&C or armed with 4-8 ATGMs or SAM for drones / hptrs etc. It was either one of these or a couple if not all 3. I remember asking him if we couldn't adapt the WhAP for such a role. I don't remember the answer.

 

[SlayingHell]

I think it was @Corvus Splendens IIRC who speculated on DFI that these Strykers the IA is looking to procure were for a specific role in limited numbers & not for your regular IFV or APC roles .

That role was speculated to be either C&C or armed with 4-8 ATGMs or SAM for drones / hptrs etc. It was either one of these or a couple if not all 3. I remember asking him if we couldn't adapt the WhAP for such a role. I don't remember the answer.

It is said on X that that BHEL haramkhors were lobbying for it. It looks like still after Tatra Scam they are intent to suck on Tax payer money and derail Indigenous products.

 

[sameer]

I think it was @Corvus Splendens IIRC who speculated on DFI that these Strykers the IA is looking to procure were for a specific role in limited numbers & not for your regular IFV or APC roles .

That role was speculated to be either C&C or armed with 4-8 ATGMs or SAM for drones / hptrs etc. It was either one of these or a couple if not all 3. I remember asking him if we couldn't adapt the WhAP for such a role. I don't remember the answer.

But if it's just limited numbers, why GOI is running all this drama about co-produkshun. Might as well buy it directly instead of taking the time to setup the factory and all. And afaik no other major military is procuring stryker, so no export orders either.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

I think it was @Corvus Splendens IIRC who speculated on DFI that these Strykers the IA is looking to procure were for a specific role in limited numbers & not for your regular IFV or APC roles .

That role was speculated to be either C&C or armed with 4-8 ATGMs or SAM for drones / hptrs etc. It was either one of these or a couple if not all 3. I remember asking him if we couldn't adapt the WhAP for such a role. I don't remember the answer.

A1 IM-SHORADs. Talks for this variant started again around 2022 because the WhAP's development didn't leave room for the standard Stryker APCs to be accommodated. IA itself went on a spiral post-covid, re-reviewing the need for wheeled APCs over tracked. But the FICV couldn't be fast-tracked, and it's basis in the Zorawar's chassis only saw trials this year after the power-pack drama. The Americans recently formally accepted the A1 variants by giving them a new designation "Sgt. Stout" and ordered around 150 of these.

The initial configuration includes a modified M299 launcher for two Longbow Hellfire missiles, a Raytheon Stinger Vehicle Universal Launcher (SVUL) to hold four surface-to-air missiles, Northrop Grumman’s XM914 30 mm Bushmaster Chain Gun, and an M240 7.62 mm machine gun. It has a IFF antenna, an L3Harris WESCAM’s MX-GCS electro-optical/infrared (EO/IR) sight for 360° surveillance as well as target identification and detection capabilities and electronic warfare (EW) package to provide improved situational awareness. The IM-SHORAD is also equipped with hemispheric radar (MHR) designed and manufactured by the Israeli company Rada Electronic Industries. The vehicle is equipped with four MHR radars in order to ensure continuous surveillance, short-halt execution, and on-the-move operation. Part an upgrade plan includes adding in a FIM-92 Stinger replacement — dubbed the Next Generation Short Range Interceptor — that is currently in competition. Separately, the US Army is pursuing other M-SHORAD initiatives that will not carry the Sergeant Stout name. Those include a Stryker-mounted 50-kilowatt laser prototype and a recently released RFI for M-SHORAD “increment 4” capabilities that could be potentially integrated onto Joint Light Tactical Vehicles, or robots like the Small Multipurpose Equipment Transport.

 

[Azaad]

A1 IM-SHORADs. Talks for this variant started again around 2022 because the WhAP's development didn't leave room for the standard Stryker APCs to be accommodated. IA itself went on a spiral post-covid, re-reviewing the need for wheeled APCs over tracked. But the FICV couldn't be fast-tracked, and it's basis in the Zorawar's chassis only saw trials this year after the power-pack drama. The Americans recently formally accepted the A1 variants by giving them a new designation "Sgt. Stout" and ordered around 150 of these.
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Thanks for responding.

And assuming the WhAP isn't adapted for this role how long do you anticipate it would take or alternatively modifications on the Zorawar on the lines of a Sgt Stout since that's what you've named as the most suitable alternative for the role you've described above ?

 

[Ayan Barat]

Thanks for responding.

And assuming the WhAP isn't adapted for this role how long do you anticipate it would take or alternatively modifications on the Zorawar on the lines of a Sgt Stout since that's what you've named as the most suitable alternative for the role you've described above ?

If someone really cares then a week or two. We already have fully stabilized all-electric drive system on multiple platforms, 2A42 gun assembly is locally produced, VSHORADS is now sufficiently mature, multiple local firms now produce good EO systems and miniature AESA radars can be imported from Israel as we already use one on modernized Shilkas.

If no one cares then here on this same thread your son might ask this exact same question to Corvus's son.
Or may be by that time Defence Forum Bharat too goes bankrupt and that communication takes place on Defence Forum Aryavart.
Who knows

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Thanks for responding.

And assuming the WhAP isn't adapted for this role how long do you anticipate it would take or alternatively modifications on the Zorawar on the lines of a Sgt Stout since that's what you've named as the most suitable alternative for the role you've described above ?

If we really wanted the same config on the WhAP with purely indigenous solutions, CVRDE with backing from BEL could trial a prototype before this financial year ends. We won't do that simply because the people in charge of these acquisitions have the same level of initiative as your mall shopper. It's the Indian MIC that'll have to spend time, money and effort to put this config together, and then present it to the window shoppers in charge. As the post above points out, we have everything from autocannons, ATGMs, SHORAD missiles, 7.62 coax, to IFF antennas, EO pods, compact jammers and dazzlers, the tech for mini radars, datalinks, BMS, fire control computers, everything. We can even go the zorawar route and find an OEM remote turret to stick all of this stuff on. Will we ?

 

[Satish Sharma Ji]

If someone really cares then a week or two. We already have fully stabilized all-electric drive system on multiple platforms, 2A42 gun assembly is locally produced, VSHORADS is now sufficiently mature, multiple local firms now produce good EO systems and miniature AESA radars can be imported from Israel as we already use one on modernized Shilkas.

Exactly we have all the things we need to make sgt stout equivalent. Tata & Mahindra need to work in that direction. A turret needs to designed & developed.
We have all the components we need, atgms, tripod based manpads a gun needs to be made indigenously. Depending upon calibr they need.
Eo are there, we can many minituarised aesa's too.

So now I can see full picture javelin licensed produces drama along with this striker they are all connected ig.
Look how bigot they are they aren't even ordering namicas. Nor initiating any indigeneous initiative.

 

[shade2]

Exactly we have all the things we need to make sgt stout equivalent. Tata & Mahindra need to work in that direction. A turret needs to designed & developed.
We have all the components we need, atgms, tripod based manpads a gun needs to be made indigenously. Depending upon calibr they need.
Eo are there, we can many minituarised aesa's too.

So now I can see full picture javelin licensed produces drama along with this striker they are all connected ig.
Look how bigot they are they aren't even ordering namicas. Nor initiating any indigeneous initiative.

Back in the day they killed both the Canadian and Israeli domestic fighter jet programs by being #PhoolSapport supplier of the F16 and other F-your-domestic-industry fighters.

Speaking of F16 i think our beloved Tejas is next

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Back in the day they killed both the Canadian and Israeli domestic fighter jet programs by being #PhoolSapport supplier of the F16 and other F-your-domestic-industry fighters.

Speaking of F16 i think our beloved Tejas is next

We'll fly Tejas with RD-33MK if we have to. It'll set us back a few years, effectively delay the Mk2 Tejas till Kaveri or a derivative (or even a souped up M-88) is sorted out, but we will do whatever it takes. If this is what it takes for GoI to wake up and stop trying to create indigenous MIC for cheap, so be it.

 

[shade2]

We'll fly Tejas with RD-33MK if we have to. It'll set us back a few years, effectively delay the Mk2 Tejas till Kaveri or a derivative (or even a souped up M-88) is sorted out, but we will do whatever it takes. If this is what it takes for GoI to wake up and stop trying to create indigenous MIC for cheap, so be it.

Hopefully what you're saying is true.

Btw the WhAP runs on an American made Cummins engine.
So they still have leverage on us, but they want to go the extra mile to not even have the rest of the IFV, even there we have to buy the obsolete junk that the bastards themselves don't want.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Hopefully what you're saying is true.

Btw the WhAP runs on an American made Cummins engine.
So they still have leverage on us, but they want to go the extra mile to not even have the rest of the IFV, even there we have to buy the obsolete junk that the bastards themselves don't want.

They have fuckall leverage. CVRDE and Ashok Leyland JV produced a Turbocharged 600hp multifuel V8. In trials.

 

[Azaad]

Hopefully what you're saying is true.

Btw the WhAP runs on an American made Cummins engine.
So they still have leverage on us, but they want to go the extra mile to not even have the rest of the IFV, even there we have to buy the obsolete junk that the bastards themselves don't want.

That Cummins engine is made in India including the one powering the Zorawar tank.

 

[bakofbakchod]

what project is this?

 

[Ayan Barat]

View attachment 12598

what project is this?

Things are getting bit tight

Just 100 or so km from this location is VEM Technology's missile assembly plant in NIMZ, Zaheerabad

 

[fire starter]

several challenges on Disruptive, Emerging, Enabling and Pioneering Technologies (Deep-Tech) were also launched to drive major advancements in areas critical to the country’s defence infrastructure.

The challenges are:

Compact Electromechanical Actuators

Development of indigenous thrusters for Yard Craft (Indian Navy)

Development of High Purity Silicon Carbide source powder for the bulk growth of SiC single crystal

Deep-Tech for HPM Counter Measures and Protection

Development of a Digital Twin Framework for Aero Gas Turbine Engine Health & Usage Monitoring.

View: https://x.com/Defencematrix1/status/1847270627562107159?t=VHCeKxoUobRXf7oQ6P9JEA&s=19