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[Ayan Barat]

General sir comprehensive knowledge capability

previous congress era

Doval era finding info is difficult.

10 feet China man were capable with their own engines

Your Shandong

like arresting gears, electronic equipments, piping

General sir

tame down your making fun of General Narayanan sir.

So many red flags for me to stop this conversation with you for once and all.
I'm not going to argue with you anymore; you're right on all your assessments.

But sadly the path you've chosen; like emphasising on adding Sir and saying that I'm making fun of him when I'm just engaging in constructive criticism (for example I've not said anything against his idea of a ramjet FSAPDS, because I think if properly executed then it has some merit) and perhaps this attitude of "how can you say anything to him, he's a Maj Gen" may feel very righteous for a short span of time but when it'll fail in the long run, and trust me it'll, you'd be left heartbroken.

When BOSS was being implemented then there must have been someone like me who'd have pointed out the shortcomings in it. But there must have been someone like you too with the age old, "how can you question this/him" argument.
Fast forward few years and now all the skeletons are out of the closet.

View: https://youtu.be/CO7dr7HWbfg

By the way this is my real name. You've no idea what my pseudonym used to be on DFI, perhaps then you'd have known what making fun of someone looks like.

 

[Aaj Ka Hero]

So many red flags for me to stop this conversation with you for once and all.
I'm not going to argue with you anymore; you're right on all your assessments.

But sadly the path you've chosen; like emphasising on adding Sir and saying that I'm making fun of him when I'm just engaging in constructive criticism (for example I've not said anything against his idea of a ramjet FSAPDS, because I think if properly executed then it has some merit) and perhaps this attitude of "how can you say anything to him, he's a Maj Gen" may feel very righteous for a short span of time but when it'll fail in the long run, and trust me it'll, you'd be left heartbroken.

When BOSS was being implemented then there must have someone like me who'd have pointed out the shortcomings in it. But there must have been someone like you too with the age old, "how can you question this/him". Fast forward few years and now all the skeletons are out of the closet.

View: https://youtu.be/CO7dr7HWbfg

By the way this is my real name. You've no idea what my pseudonym used to be on DFI, perhaps then you'd have known what making fun of someone looks like.

Read your old posts regarding what you said in your CRITICISM, it is still there.

Let's not go to DFI name game, because I am still here with my original name.

And for your this analogy-
how can you say anything to him, he's a Maj Gen", if you think I am this type of people, you are wrong, try understanding little bit more.

Let's move out of this.
On another front, I keep hearing SiC are being used in turbine blades where TET reaches well above 1800°C, look like we are seeing some progress there although from different source.

View: https://x.com/SolidBoosters/status/1838480272431460689

 

[karn]

I hope folks here consider the fact that not only does China have enormous manufacturing capacity not only compared to us but also with the collative west ,they also control critical raw material supplies like rare earth materials that are used for things from thermal cameras to turbine engines.

The sheer amount of vidhwa villap happening in open source USN circles is actually insane
USN is so overstretched that ship especially carrier crews have to be deployed months longer than their scheduled time.
They are not able to get a simple frigate project going.
Older shipyard workers are concerned about how they themselves are the last gen of the workers.
A comment by a guy that joined a US shipyard .. He was the youngest at the age of 24 when he joined .. He is still the youngest 8 years later.
They are sure to fail the AUKUS deal because they simply do not have enough submarines to give to the australians for training.. and their own production rate is half of what they require as per their own force projections hence having no capacity for the austrailians.
Literally the only cope I have is that we have better mountain troops. In terms of training not equipment lol.

 

[Azaad]

also control critical raw material supplies like rare earth materials that are used for things from thermal cameras to turbine engines.

REM monopoly with the Chinese is mostly a function of it's treatment viz refining which is a highly polluting industry. There are enough REM around the world & if the west didn't bind itself to environmentally strict laws they wouldn't be in the situation they're in today. To make matters worse , they went and antagonized Russia another big source of REM .

Right now the West is in the process of finding via medias. Whether they will be in a position to completely bypass China time will tell.

Literally the only cope I have is that we have better mountain troops. In terms of training not equipment lol

By 2032 you'd see only Agniveers there & all over the IA. The last of the jawans recruited under the previous system will be retiring then .

 

[shade2]

I hope folks here consider the fact that not only does China have enormous manufacturing capacity not only compared to us but also with the collative west ,they also control critical raw material supplies like rare earth materials that are used for things from thermal cameras to turbine engines.

The sheer amount of vidhwa villap happening in open source USN circles is actually insane
USN is so overstretched that ship especially carrier crews have to be deployed months longer than their scheduled time.
They are not able to get a simple frigate project going.
Older shipyard workers are concerned about how they themselves are the last gen of the workers.
A comment by a guy that joined a US shipyard .. He was the youngest at the age of 24 when he joined .. He is still the youngest 8 years later.
They are sure to fail the AUKUS deal because they simply do not have enough submarines to give to the australians for training.. and their own production rate is half of what they require as per their own force projections hence having no capacity for the austrailians.
Literally the only cope I have is that we have better mountain troops. In terms of training not equipment lol.

Aah, so this is why they want G2...

In the below pic you can see State Dept, US army, USAF, USN and Muhreens, the camera is held by the Chinese

 

[shade2]

tbh i wonder the day after when the Burgers surrender Taiwan to China.

For now they seem to be wanting us to be the Ukraine to China's Russia so they are tied down and won't be able to put their Taiwan plans in motion.
It doesn't seem to be working, Vietnam is the next option but i don't even think they will bother.

 

[karn]

REM monopoly with the Chinese is mostly a function of it's treatment viz refining which is a highly polluting industry. There are enough REM around the world & if the west didn't bind itself to environmentally strict laws they wouldn't be in the situation they're in today. To make matters worse , they went and antagonized Russia another big source of REM .

Right now the West is in the process of finding via medias. Whether they will be in a position to completely bypass China time will tell.


By 2032 you'd see only Agniveers there & all over the IA. The last of the jawans recruited under the previous system will be retiring then .

As per the REM policy I've been hearing about it since 2011 to that I'd say "toh kar na". From my observations time has already told. Japan has substituted a lot by recycling rest of the world is running naaam ke waaste.
And yes with roos as official best enemy they have shot themselves in the foot again.

For agniveers the influx of younger troops is an advantage in the mountains and gives the nation a large amount of unofficial reserves.The retention level can always tweaked above the 25%.

 

[Azaad]

As per the REM policy I've been hearing about it since 2011 to that I'd say "toh kar na". From my observations time has already told. Japan has substituted a lot by recycling rest of the world is running naaam ke waaste.
And yes with roos as official best enemy they have shot themselves in the foot again.

For agniveers the influx of younger troops is an advantage in the mountains and gives the nation a large amount of unofficial reserves.The retention level can always tweaked above the 25%.

From whatever I understand based on readings & viewing podcasts on SM of retired officers across ranks from the IA , whatever we gain via youth thru the Agniveer program is lost by the extremely small tenures.

Mountain warfare is extremely demanding & requires experience which a mere 2-3 years of deployment doesn't grant . Hence the repeated requests to increase both tenure & percentage of intake to a minimum of 6 years & 50% respectively.

 

[karn]

From whatever I understand based on readings & viewing podcasts on SM of retired officers across ranks from the IA , whatever we gain via youth thru the Agniveer program is lost by the extremely small tenures.

Mountain warfare is extremely demanding & requires experience which a mere 2-3 years of deployment doesn't grant . Hence the repeated requests to increase both tenure & percentage of intake to a minimum of 6 years & 50% respectively.

It is a tricky subject indeed but one view that I will not budge on is that the previous way of doing things is utterly unsustainable financially, when no country except those literally ruled by their military maintains such large manpower with full time careerists (as the americans call it).

 

[Azaad]

It is a tricky subject indeed but one view that I will not budge on is that the previous way of doing things is utterly unsustainable financially, when no country except those literally ruled by their military maintains such large manpower with full time careerists (as the americans call it).

The reforms we're pursuing is highly experimental therefore dangerous given our present situation not to mention the tinkering with manpower downsizing & curtailing of their tenure including the percentage of fixed component that would be subsequently absorbed since apart from 2 inimical neighbors our army also functions as a CI force not just in Kashmir but till recently across the NE.

If reforms are truly needed we need to go back to the regime we followed in the early 60s & before where we took in recruits for a minimum of 8 years before retaining a fixed percentage which off hand I don't recall.

If you've followed debates earlier in the 2000s when the Maoist menace broke out in Central India given the woefully inadequate training equipment etc to the CAPFs & the massive casualties they were sustaining , the MMS government was almost on the verge of deploying the IA before they forcefully refused.

Remember this is a nation which is spending ~ 11 lakh crores this year on infrastructure but still increases it's defence budget by ~ 3-4% on an average as we've been seeing for the past many years.

 

[Aaj Ka Hero]

View: https://x.com/AdithyaKM_/status/1848239190540009846

 

[BlackViking]

From whatever I understand based on readings & viewing podcasts on SM of retired officers across ranks from the IA , whatever we gain via youth thru the Agniveer program is lost by the extremely small tenures.

Mountain warfare is extremely demanding & requires experience which a mere 2-3 years of deployment doesn't grant . Hence the repeated requests to increase both tenure & percentage of intake to a minimum of 6 years & 50% respectively.

It appears the govt would be tweaking the agniveer program, wrt both tenure and retention percentage. Have been hearing that the forces have submitted their feedback, just hope better sense prevails and some random babu doesn't delay/discard it.

 

[Aaj Ka Hero]

View: https://x.com/VinodDX9/status/1848378768760660462
Let's hope for best.

 

[jaijaganath]

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/india-launches-4th-nuclear-missile-submarine-101729560730642-amp.html

S4(aridhaman) has been launched in past but no credible news or article was published this showing how much we are downplaying our nuclear submarine capabilities
I am damn sure this launching of S4* is also the same it might be in trails infact

 

[Binayak95]

Reminded me of this masterpiece View attachment 12928

The Indian contingent had to go in in South Sudan and then proceed to neutralise the hostiles with clockwork precision.

But its more than just inexperience. The one child policy has meant that every soldier that falls in battle is grieved by two sets of parents (his in laws too) and has no replacement at all.

Btw, Chinese have already matured the technology of miniaturized PWR on their submarines. So at some point in future they might even try to retrofit one on carriers.

And they lost a nuclear submarine just this July. A brand new submarine at that....

 

[Binayak95]

I hope folks here consider the fact that not only does China have enormous manufacturing capacity not only compared to us but also with the collative west ,they also control critical raw material supplies like rare earth materials that are used for things from thermal cameras to turbine engines.

The sheer amount of vidhwa villap happening in open source USN circles is actually insane
USN is so overstretched that ship especially carrier crews have to be deployed months longer than their scheduled time.
They are not able to get a simple frigate project going.
Older shipyard workers are concerned about how they themselves are the last gen of the workers.
A comment by a guy that joined a US shipyard .. He was the youngest at the age of 24 when he joined .. He is still the youngest 8 years later.
They are sure to fail the AUKUS deal because they simply do not have enough submarines to give to the australians for training.. and their own production rate is half of what they require as per their own force projections hence having no capacity for the austrailians.
Literally the only cope I have is that we have better mountain troops. In terms of training not equipment lol.

The US navy problem is several fold:

on the one hand theyre not able to keep shipyards functioning at peak capacity thanks to societal issues, on the other hand their naval design boards are crippled by feature creep - which has already derailed the zumwalt and the lcs programs and threatens to do the same to the Constellation class (which is why i call people who refer the Kamortas as underarmed - blind retards)

rahi baat AUKUS ki....
think of the fucking French, they must be laughing their asses off. The aussies themselves dont have the technical base to even begin making a nuke sub.

 

[silentassassin265]

It appears the govt would be tweaking the agniveer program, wrt both tenure and retention percentage. Have been hearing that the forces have submitted their feedback, just hope better sense prevails and some random babu doesn't delay/discard it.

25 percent was too low anyways at least 50 percent should have been there, serving in army is primary occupation In hilly regions

 

[silentassassin265]

The US navy problem is several fold:

on the one hand theyre not able to keep shipyards functioning at peak capacity thanks to societal issues, on the other hand their naval design boards are crippled by feature creep - which has already derailed the zumwalt and the lcs programs and threatens to do the same to the Constellation class (which is why i call people who refer the Kamortas as underarmed - blind retards)

rahi baat AUKUS ki....
think of the fucking French, they must be laughing their asses off. The aussies themselves dont have the technical base to even begin making a nuke sub.

Let's see if Aussies can get subs before we get subs from p75i

 

[Hawkeye]

Multiple with most of them already ready for user trials. This is not something new and infact it already has a dedicated designation called ATT or Anti-Torpedo Torpedo.

Atlas SeaSpider, Germany
Countermeasure Anti Torpedo (CAT), USA
Rafael TorBuster, Israel
Saab Torpedo 47, Sweden
Paket-E/NK, Russia
Aselsan ZARGANA, Turkiye
Leonardo C303/S - MITE, Italy
Though not officially confirmed but Chinese too are speculated to have

For more than a decade these were in consideration but at a slower and kind of tinkering pace as people thought soft-kill and decoys would be enough, and more importantly cost effective. But after Ukraine proved the efficacy of USV swarm attack against even destroyer type targets, everyone's now scrambling to get one of these.


It's simply ALH/Dhruv with folding main-rotor and tail assembly.

This looks similiar to rafael torbuster. It operates by seducing the enemy torpedo and then blasting on its nearest approach.
While few of the other ATT systems are mini torps which have their own homing system and goes to the enemy torpedo to destroy it.

Now, the only drawback of former system is that it has to seduce the enemy torpedo in first place to neutralize it. So, is there any need to develop the latter type of ATT as well by us, maybe or not.

 

[ezsasa]

Let's see if Aussies can get subs before we get subs from p75i

as per original timelines brits were supposed to get aukus sub (SSN-A) in late 2030's and ozzies in early 2040's.

https://www.asa.gov.au/aukus/australias-nuclear-powered-submarines