DRDO and PSU's

Have some early Diwali morning yapping from me.

Scrap whatever Swavlamban it's and have this

1. Ministry of Defence release vague specs of "things" they want for each of the branches. Like let's say, "a loitering munition that can be launched from the tubes of RBU-6000"
2. Individuals, Universities and colleges need to submit a patent with a working model which would be thoroughly evaluated for feasibility.
3. The above mentioned point can also happen suo motu where people can submit their ideas without any direct requirements.
4. The Department of Defence Procurement would now publish RFQ for prototype development of the best and the second based design in each categories. A single firm can't quote for both designs
5. Based on the performance of two and L1 choose one of firm. The Department itself would ensure that a minimum royalty fee is transferred by the firm to the orginal inventor.

> Point 2 would ensure there's absolutely no ScrewdriverGiri whatsoever
> Point 4 would ensure that no one milks the MoD by asking ridiculous prices
> Point 5 would ensure that people actually doing innovation gets an incentive and a overall culture for innovation is cultivated
 
fire starter said:
How much commission corrupt generals got.

View: https://x.com/AdithyaKM_/status/1851828088222683259?t=yQC8DXREUKpG276cls2I0w&s=19

View: https://x.com/AdithyaKM_/status/1851828522567999841?t=kLBxwUcThnnLQcWZjT_95Q&s=19

This emergency procurement must be stopped.
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ideally, such an incident should be viewed as an opportunity.
is anyone within defence SM commentary community, viewing this as an opportunity or rr is the prevalent theme?

there is an ongoing quad initiative about resilient and trusted supply chain, for now it mostly about telecom infra , semi conductors type big items . since it is a U.S company it is a good thing, it gives an opportunity to use existing mechanisms to drone sub-components as well, to ,and make sure supply chain is protected.
 
ezsasa said:
ideally, such an incident should be viewed as an opportunity.
is anyone within defence SM commentary community, viewing this as an opportunity or rr is the prevalent theme?

there is an ongoing quad initiative about resilient and trusted supply chain, for now it mostly about telecom infra , semi conductors type big items . since it is a U.S company it is a good thing, it gives an opportunity to use existing mechanisms to drone sub-components as well, to ,and make sure supply chain is protected.
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Are you saying somebody from twitter should be looking to manufacture hi density li polymer battery pack???

I mean you are entrepreneur yourself and many in DFI. How many of you can think of doing that?

Those who have wherewithal to step fwd are not in DFI or twitter and infact shall not be aware of this need.
How difficult would be for lime of Exide Amaron to start production line fir this when battery pack is for niche item which itself are in handful number with Army, negating any proclivity to sink money in establishing prod line.
 
Anants said:
Are you saying somebody from twitter should be looking to manufacture hi density li polymer battery pack???

I mean you are entrepreneur yourself and many in DFI. How many of you can think of doing that?

Those who have wherewithal to step fwd are not in DFI or twitter and infact shall not be aware of this need.
How difficult would be for lime of Exide Amaron to start production line fir this when battery pack is for niche item which itself are in handful number with Army, negating any proclivity to sink money in establishing prod line.
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i am saying, the discourse should go beyond the theme of "who to put blame on?". every event/incident that happens, first instinct is to find a fall guy, this instinct needs to be curbed.

the business part of it is a separate case, it will go as per the flow.
 
darkflame said:
Nirbhay's last two test were successful, one more in a row and missile will get the tag of successful developed by drdo, looking at past schedules third test will take place around march-april next year.
Previous tests were conducted around the same time in 2023 and 2024.
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let me add some background of what's on my mind on this...

nirbhay has 200-300 kg warhead, in past decade in the cruise missile salvos that got fired are in the range of 60-80 per airfield in west asia conflicts(accounting for loss in flight within the fired salvo). i am making the assumption nibhay inventory should be a 1000 missile with say 50% mounted and rest in stock.

let's say production rate is 100 per annum, and if we do a backwards calculation.

- to fulfill the entire order, 10 years.
- with a year or two give out sub-component orders and received by OEM, so 12 years.
- two years minimum for paperwork in MoD and IA for contract to be signed, so 14 years.
- three years atleast for hot and cold user trails, so 17 years.

so it's 17 years for entire cycle, after development agency declares the system ready for user trials.

in the mean time, one also has to factor in that, once the system is ready for production, folks like shudi ranjan sen of bloomberg will release a rumour quoting sources that U.S is ready to sell tomahawks. his friends in print, India today, dhindu etc will amplify those rumours. defence fanboys will immediately start rr and gaali on gormint of the day and the forces.

ofcourse it is complex tech, but there are other process cycles that are dependant on development phase being completed.
 
AGNI 6 ICBM said:
Happy Deepavali friends...🪔🛕🕉🚀

DRDO veda is huge.....
It's dimensions ⬇️
If used as ICBM...DRDO VEDA can have range of ~13,000 km
Agni 5 is tiny infront of VEDA

Pic: @prudhvitej32 (twitter)

Dear "IDRW=idiot🤡" don't copy this pic
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What abt payload as of now only vartha Bharathi & idrw has reported abt it. Which I take with a spoon of salt

2000kg payload at maximum 200km height.
I think the orbit could be set much higher if satellite is lighter ig not all gonna weigh 2000kg.

I have even heard that the first stage came from k4 ballistic missile. Leveraging existing technology.
 
fire starter said:
Sirf pension aur malai khana hamara kaam hai. Hume konsa ladai karege.
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They think theirs job is to just protect and induct FANCY WEAPONS FROM WEST which will help them win SO CALLED IN EASY WAY and then retire and continue LEECH.

1. So, for protecting borders they ofcourse need Nation resources.
2. For buying weapons they again need Nation resources, in this case HARD EARNED FOREIGN RESERVES which brings always yesterday technology or contemporary technology, using WEIGHT as always issue to remove any indigenous product.
3. After retirement, they again need Nation resources. There too they form Chandigarh type lobby.

No value addition, inform of research, advanced technology by collaborating with Industry, etc. that is left for DRDO and others.

Seeing that Shakti dwar on that Chandigarh-Kalka road, in past I used to feel good, now I just feel sadness after watching Arjun, Ugram and ATAGS saga.
 
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