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[ezsasa]

Occasionally someone on the kanglustan form raises a good point, and this time it was about target acquisition, and monitoring of the IOR. For these missile assets to actually be useful we will need to monitor our waters and beyond. And target acquisition and guidance. Without these, the missiles are just pointy rockets. What do we have in place to ensure our missiles are actually a threat to our enemies? How are we monitoring and tracking in our regions of interest.

multiple sources of data




https://www.theweek.in/news/india/2...on-centre-to-boost-indian-ocean-security.html

Information Fusion Centre – Indian Ocean region - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Ayan Barat]

what does it take to ensure the missile is effective

If there's no flaw in any of the subsystem of the missile then just improving the attrition rate (successful hits/total fired) is what's left. Now this can be done in multitude of ways from firing a salvo to catching the enemy off-guard to using it together with other weapons.

what is the end to end system look like for such a missile

It'd be impossible to get the actual RoE without a leak...at best, we can just guess the most plausible one based on our own knowledge

Radars on vessels, coast, P-8I, satellites, SONARs, HUMINT, ground troops provide the GPS vector of the vessels. Missile is fired at that. The seeker turns on and matches the returns with it onboard library to lock on or in case it's not known then goes for the most lucrative one.

what do we have and how extensive it is

As of now we've multiple radars types, over the years military satellite tech has matured quite a bit, there are SONAR listening arrays, aerial radars are there too in terms of sensors. As for effectors; the first layer of defence would probably be (1) Agni-II, followed by (2) Agni-P, then this (3) LR-AShM, (4) BrahMos and lastly (5) SMART.
Though technically (3) is from where you lose your advantage of overmatch and start to come under the range of Chinese ship launched cruise and ballistic missiles.

So as of now we have quite sufficient number of solutions to counter PLA ships except for one and that would be the hypersonic cruise missile. But hopefully soon we'd hear about that too. On a more practical basis the only thing that we need now it producing these in good quantities; going back to where I stated this post...you need to improve the attrition rate.

 

[NerVik]

If there's no flaw in any of the subsystem of the missile then just improving the attrition rate (successful hits/total fired) is what's left. Now this can be done in multitude of ways from firing a salvo to catching the enemy off-guard to using it together with other weapons.

It'd be impossible to get the actual RoE without a leak...at best, we can just guess the most plausible one based on our own knowledge

Radars on vessels, coast, P-8I, satellites, SONARs, HUMINT, ground troops provide the GPS vector of the vessels. Missile is fired at that. The seeker turns on and matches the returns with it onboard library to lock on or in case it's not known then goes for the most lucrative one.

As of now we've multiple radars types, over the years military satellite tech has matured quite a bit, there are SONAR listening arrays, aerial radars are there too in terms of sensors. As for effectors; the first layer of defence would probably be (1) Agni-II, followed by (2) Agni-P, then this (3) LR-AShM, (4) BrahMos and lastly (5) SMART.
Though technically (3) is from where you lose your advantage of overmatch and start to come under the range of Chinese ship launched cruise and ballistic missiles.

So as of now we have quite sufficient number of solutions to counter PLA ships except for one and that would be the hypersonic cruise missile. But hopefully soon we'd hear about that too. On a more practical basis the only thing that we need now it producing these in good quantities; going back to where I stated this post...you need to improve the attrition rate.

Thanks, that gives me a better idea how this system works

 

[Blood+]

Yeh dekho, bhailog:

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[Screambowl]

Yeh dekho, bhailog:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG3envJW6U4

The basic difference between Pakistan and Indian military arsenal is, India can replenish all sort of strategic and non strategic weapons within days during an ongoing conflict and where as Pakistan due to lack of know how can't do that. If they think that they can get something from China or North Korea to challenge India then they are mistaken.

 

[Blood+]

The basic difference between Pakistan and Indian military arsenal is, India can replenish all sort of strategic and non strategic weapons within days during an ongoing conflict and where as Pakistan due to lack of know how can't do that. If they think that they can get something from China or North Korea to challenge India then they are mistaken.

I know, and even they know; but as usual, they're in denial.

 

[Blademaster]

View: https://x.com/ByRakeshSimha/status/1858019439846859215

good answer

And follow up with the fact that India will never be impoverished by invaders and occupiers again. India is rebuilding her wealth and seeks to safeguard her wealth.

 

[Blademaster]

Occasionally someone on the kanglustan form raises a good point, and this time it was about target acquisition, and monitoring of the IOR. For these missile assets to actually be useful we will need to monitor our waters and beyond. And target acquisition and guidance. Without these, the missiles are just pointy rockets. What do we have in place to ensure our missiles are actually a threat to our enemies? How are we monitoring and tracking in our regions of interest.

Which is why it is imperative that we get the likes of Global Hawk fleet and a mass network of hundreds of observational satellites orbiting all over the world with laser anti-jamming communication and real time update capabilities.

 

[fire starter]

View: https://x.com/GODOFPARADOXES/status/1566403186117730310?t=75pvO1KE289mgdPxsCObKA&s=19

 

[randombully]

LRASHM- hypersonic antiship missile.

Chinese CJ-100 land attack cruise missile, top speed is Said to be Mach 4. Range:- 3000km chinks are talking about increasing it to 4000km.

Chinks seems to have a similar missile to our LR-ASHM, the difference seems to be slightly different design, a smaller booster that can't bring it to similar altitude as out booster, top speed of Mach 4 unlike LRASHM which can go hypersonic, lack of heat shield in cj100 and given it's land attack means no RF seeker unlike LRASHM, and a an cruise missile engine instead of rocket motor like in LR-ASHM.
But it seems chinks can develop a similar hypersonic antiship system as our LA-ASHM by modifying their cj100 design.

 

[Ayan Barat]

CJ-100 rocket powered land attack missile, top speed is Said to be Mach 4.

Chinks seems to have a similar missile to our LR-ASHM, the difference seems to be slightly different design, a smaller booster that can't not bring to similar altitude as out booster, top speed of Mach 4 unlike LRASHM which can go hypersonic, lack of heat shield in cj100 and given it's land attack means no RF seeker unlike LRASHM.
But it seems chinks can develop a similar hypersonic antiship system as our LA-ASHM by modifying their cj100.

C'mon, not you again

> CJ-100 is a pure air-breathing ramjet powered cruise missile
> The closest contemporary in our arsenal would be a BrahMos on steroids; with everything pretty similar from ramjet engine to ramjet cover that gets blown off using micro thrusters
> Being a ramjet it doesn't suffer as much from the "energy bleed" thing as LR-AShM
> It has a radar as it's literally a BrahMos, no matter what variant it is
> It's range and maneuverability is greater but at the cost of top speed.
> And perhaps the best possible analogue to it would be the older, humongous carrier sinking supersonic anti ship missile that Soviets once fielded; like Moskits.


And here's the family tree of lastest Russian supersonic anti-ship missile
> P-800 Onyx; the point where it all started
> BrahMos; ToT from Russia for an improved version of Onyx albeit with almost one third the range to comply with MTCR treaty
> Indigenized BrahMos; pretty much the aforementioned thing but now with the maximum possible range of Onyx
> CX-1; pretty much a 1:1 copy of Onyx made by the Russians
> CJ-100; enlarged version of CX-1 using the same design philosophy

 

[AbRaj]

LRASHM- hypersonic antiship missile.
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Chinese CJ-100 land attack cruise missile, top speed is Said to be Mach 4. Range:- 3000km chinks are talking about increasing it to 4000km.
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Chinks seems to have a similar missile to our LR-ASHM, the difference seems to be slightly different design, a smaller booster that can't bring it to similar altitude as out booster, top speed of Mach 4 unlike LRASHM which can go hypersonic, lack of heat shield in cj100 and given it's land attack means no RF seeker unlike LRASHM, and a an cruise missile engine instead of rocket motor like in LR-ASHM.
But it seems chinks can develop a similar hypersonic antiship system as our LA-ASHM by modifying their cj100 design.

Looks more like a Oniks based system with additional boosters.