DRDO and PSU's

And those are just short ranged ones. If you take things like SDBs, the deviation becomes even more prominent. But then again there's some caveat in this too. This was USA's "Indian defence preparedness" moment

• As far back as 2016, not US just military intelligence but even defence reporting houses were writing detailed article on Russian GPS tampering
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• What's even more interesting is that some OSINTs and ultra-autistic SMEs were able to accurately trace the location of this exact jammer; named the Baltic jammer

View: https://x.com/auonsson/status/1775216532030713871
• And even after all these the US DoD failed to grasp the severity of this problem and do something to mitigate it. No a single large scale program was initiated to upgrade the existing GNSS receivers with more robust anti-jam/spoof ones.
On top of everything the M-Code GPS system planned to be fully operational by 2016 have been continuously facing delays.
• Not to mention the fact that whatever limited jam-proof confidential GPS they've is not going out the mainland this early in development.

Holy hell!! Thanks for the share, bookmarking this for future reference.

I doubt it

Generally only one feature is tested at a time so that it's easier to figure out what went wrong like at first it's just captive carry of a bomb, then release in next trail, guidance in next and ultimately in the final you've a complete bomb with live warhead.

I don't think they're going to test full fledged GPS denied testing this early in its trials.
Yeah, I kinda knew it all along but was hoping against hope. At some level, I was coping as well, LMAO. But really, I can't figure out what could have made the rocket deviate so much when we have witnessed the accuracy of the land attack version of BrahMos with the same GPS-INS guidance.
 
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It can be useful for targeting infra like bridges , underground bunkers etc
Going by the picture the CEP appears to be < 7.5 mtrs i e 24 feet. Besides my point remains. Are those targets going to be bombarded by only 1 or 2 rockets of this kind ?
 
How about Rafael Spice/ DRDO SAAW??
Here I am talking about the kind of REK kits we have seen as of yet in development with us.

Going by same design logic, rek kits for 450,500 and 1000kg HSLD bomb would look somewhat same and there won't be any laser or EO seeker on their nose. And that's why in our context I talked about only ins/gps guidance. I could be totally wrong and TARA is the REK for 450/500kg bombs us or maybe it will look same as above.

Now, technically, spice,Tara,PGHSLD,JDAM all are REKs as they attach to existing dumb bombs. And yes they do provide terminal guidance capability.

SAAW is not a REK as it can't be attached to any existing 100/125kg bomb. So are KAB series bombs. Here, UMPKs are REKs.
 
Watch the video as well.

That would have been a valid argument ten years ago, not so much anymore.
I'm sorry. I just don't trust Chinese products or the demo videos they put out in support of their claims as much as somebody else does I guess. Not saying their products are bad or sub standard.
Yes, you do.
As you can see here,
USA has been mass producing these rockets for quite some time now, we can only assume the same for the Chinese.
But where in whatever you've put out by way of information of the GMLRS says you get a CEP of < 1 mtr or less.
 
Going by the picture the CEP appears to be < 7.5 mtrs i e 24 feet. Besides my point remains. Are those targets going to be bombarded by only 1 or 2 rockets of this kind ?
Dude, that's impossible to gauge from that screen grab due to the awkward camera angle and the resulting perspective distortion. And even then, it's definitely way more than that as we can clearly see the rocket missing the white circle.

And as for the numbers, USA has been producing such rockets at the rate of ~10k rounds a year!! Meanwhile, the last I heard, we were thinking about increasing our rate of production for Pinaka rockets to 5000 per year and god knows what became of it!!
 
Here I am talking about the kind of REK kits we have seen as of yet in development with us.

Going by same design logic, rek kits for 450,500 and 1000kg HSLD bomb would look somewhat same and there won't be any laser or EO seeker on their nose. And that's why in our context I talked about only ins/gps guidance. I could be totally wrong and TARA is the REK for 450/500kg bombs us or maybe it will look same as above.

Now, technically, spice,Tara,PGHSLD,JDAM all are REKs as they attach to existing dumb bombs. And yes they do provide terminal guidance capability.

SAAW is not a REK as it can't be attached to any existing 100/125kg bomb. So are KAB series bombs. Here, UMPKs are REKs.
You're confusing REK (Range Extension Kits) and PGK (Precision Guidance Kit)

• A REK may or may not be a PGK
• A PGK is never a REK
• Some systems come as a combination of PGK and REK

EDIT : A bit better example
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PGK - 1; screws in the nose fuze-well to add guidance using an EO/SAL seeker...PRECISION
PGK - 2; replaces the original tail-fin assembly with a GNSS guided one...PRECISION
REK - 1; clamps a folding wing assembly on top of the bomb to improve the glide ratio...EXTENSION IN RANGE
REK -2; screws in the rear most assembly to add additional forward thrust...EXTENSION IN RANGE

A system can be made comprising of anything from just one to all four of these subsystems. And these need not to be "exclusive"
 
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Dude, that's impossible to gauge from that screen grab due to the awkward camera angle and the resulting perspective distortion.


And even then, it's definitely way more than that as we can clearly see the rocket missing the white circle.
Whatever the angle , assume both the target flag & the rocket are aligned in a straight line & using the principle of visual inspection estimate the distance between the landing position of the rocket & distance to the flag . It's roughly 1.5 times. We know the length of the rocket is ~ 5 mtrs.
 
And as for the numbers, USA has been producing such rockets at the rate of ~10k rounds a year!! Meanwhile, the last I heard, we were thinking about increasing our rate of production for Pinaka rockets to 5000 per year and god knows what became of it!!
I thought we were discussing the accuracy of the rockets. Our production capacity is a different matter altogether. No two views they need to increase the rate of production rapidly for leaving aside the US , the Chinese will definitely have the production capacity in multiples of the US.
 
I thought we were discussing the accuracy of the rockets. Our production capacity is a different matter altogether. No two views they need to increase the rate of production rapidly for leaving aside the US , the Chinese will definitely have the production capacity in multiples of the US.

Warning: Low Quality Post, unwanted name calling
 
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Going by the picture the CEP appears to be < 7.5 mtrs i e 24 feet. Besides my point remains. Are those targets going to be bombarded by only 1 or 2 rockets of this kind ?
If Guided yes - Armies tend to be judicious with use of munitions. Guided ones are expensive - so you dont really do spray and pray with them usually
 
If Guided yes - Armies tend to be judicious with use of munitions. Guided ones are expensive - so you dont really do spray and pray with them usually
Not really the case any more as GPS guidance becomes increasingly cheap to produce and implement. Here's a civilian one you could buy off of Alibaba for a 'very high price' of14$, 9.5 if you buy in bulk -


And this can be seen being reflected in the production numbers for such rockets -

 
If Guided yes - Armies tend to be judicious with use of munitions. Guided ones are expensive - so you dont really do spray and pray with them usually
What would those guided rockets target ? Would they be static or dynamic targets ? What's the cost benefit analysis behind firing just 2 guided rockets vs say 12 on the same target ?
 
assuming pinaka CEP pic is of full range of 75 km.
is there a way to find out the range these chini 370 mm rockets hitting on target, half range or full range?
Unfortunately, no and it IS a valid question.

But I still can not figure out what might have caused this level of deviation when we have all seen the screen grab of a land attack BrahMos landing within like 3-5 meters of a target flag!! And that version of BrahMos relies solely on GPS-INS guidance as well, much like this guided Pinaka.
 
How the fuck does HIMARS achieve accuracy of 3 feet at 300 km?
The M31 rockets have a max range of 92 km. As to how they do it, who knows, sheer dumb luck, perhaps?? Or more plausibly, their P(Y)-code is just that precise.
But for a definitive answer, you'll have to break out one of your Angel Priya fb accounts and honeytrap one of the execs in the Lockheed Martin's Missiles and Fire Control division. So, get to work.
 
Unfortunately, no and it IS a valid question.

But I still can not figure out what might have caused this level of deviation when we have all seen the screen grab of a land attack BrahMos landing within like 3-5 meters of a target flag!! And that version of BrahMos relies solely on GPS-INS guidance as well, much like this guided Pinaka.

on brahmos.

perhaps at long ranges, to have pin point accuracy the way SAMs do as standard feature, the set up needs have both actuators(fins) and tvc/jvc at nozzle. but all configurations have some trade off or the other.

if blast radius of a 300 kg warhead is going to be 100ft anyways, a few metres of leeway is fine i presume.
 
on brahmos.

perhaps at long ranges, to have pin point accuracy the way SAMs do as standard feature, the set up needs have both actuators(fins) and tvc/jvc at nozzle. but all configurations have some trade off or the other.
May very well have been the case.
if blast radius of a 300 kg warhead is going to be 100ft anyways, a few metres of leeway is fine i presume.
Yeah, and that's why I find this even more baffling as the system that you can have some leeway with (BrahMos in case) seemingly comes with far better accuracy than a system that NEEDS to be more accurate in order to be effective due to its smaller warhead (Guided Pinaka in this case).
 

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