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[Bhartiya Sainik]

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A Rare Glimpse into DRDO’s High Power Microwave System – Indian Defence Research Wing

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Very nice to hear this but 1 Km is very less range. If it can be increased then a dedicated vehicle can try to protect ground assets. If its size can be reduced then it can be used on aircrafts also, laser pods have been tested by USA.

 

[shade2]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRf9dnfCqoc&pp=ygUOYmRsIHNob3AgZmxvb3I%3D

Don't know if y'all nibbiars know about this video or no.
It is the only proper factory tour on Gokhale's channel, the Retired Commodore boss of BDL also gives proper explanations of everything that is shown.
Majorly it's Aakash missiles and Barak-8 missiles in various stages of assembly, they also show the seeker and testing in anechoic chamber

I am also very disappointed with seeing that everything is literally screwdrivered by many BDL govt employees, only machines seem to be used where automation is unavoidable.

btw are retired officers from the other Army and Airforce also found in DPSUs?
I know in the past BEL was led by some retired commodores and ofc BDL is at present led by one, it makes sense since Navy would like /theirguys/ to make sure that govt employees produce their electronics, software and missiles according to spec.

 

[fire starter]

We all know what corrupt generals want.

Yaha dalali se hi fursat nahi mil rahi hai bhadwo ko, indigenous systems ko induct nahi karna hai phir randi rona karna hai

View: https://x.com/pragyesh/status/1872268944234647844?t=Cb0knnBRgpp3o0L-t9wHCw&s=19

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1872277290740310163?t=nfFazzHB1pBT-pC-HWDv_Q&s=19

 

[fire starter]

View: https://x.com/AdithyaKM_/status/1872288006528487445?t=c0liArl1uc32TXDqkKzMfg&s=19

 

[fire starter]

This is the mentality of import khor officers.

View: https://x.com/AdithyaKM_/status/1872501653108359649?t=Fb_FaVj8wDHKEH0PznKg-Q&s=19

As long as we have such genrols we don't need enemies.

Import ke chakkar me ye saale koi indigenous development nahi hone dege.


View: https://x.com/AdithyaKM_/status/1776298036983210455?t=xvgS4xkIYnjbFfHxlKAFlw&s=19

Real culprit here is not ADA but these haramkhors who dragged the whole tejas mk2 program for 10 yrs.

 

[SKC]

We all know what corrupt generals want.

Yaha dalali se hi fursat nahi mil rahi hai bhadwo ko, indigenous systems ko induct nahi karna hai phir randi rona karna hai

View: https://x.com/pragyesh/status/1872268944234647844?t=Cb0knnBRgpp3o0L-t9wHCw&s=19

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1872277290740310163?t=nfFazzHB1pBT-pC-HWDv_Q&s=19

Le generals: "Language!"

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

This is the mentality of import khor officers.

View: https://x.com/AdithyaKM_/status/1872501653108359649?t=Fb_FaVj8wDHKEH0PznKg-Q&s=19

As long as we have such genrols we don't need enemies.

Import ke chakkar me ye saale koi indigenous development nahi hone dege.


View: https://x.com/AdithyaKM_/status/1776298036983210455?t=xvgS4xkIYnjbFfHxlKAFlw&s=19

Real culprit here is not ADA but these haramkhors who dragged the whole tejas mk2 program for 10 yrs.

In our country, at school, college, office, people might be super capable but there is also high amount of greed, jealousy, racism, bullying & humiliation, manipulation, spreading rumors, defamation, etc. Many people can't even tolerate others thinking & talking, leave doing.

Anyways, Now hopefully, DRDO/ADA will be compelled to radically re-engineer AMCA. What they were thinking about AMCA Mk2 IOC may have to be done in AMCA Mk1 IOC. Our enormous army of college grads have to be engaged into industry, lot's of potential opportunities.
But if still someone cries "We can't do this/that" then Before border war, a civil war might come & Babus & all project draggers may be dragged on streets.

 

[705-Lira]

This is the mentality of import khor officers.

View: https://x.com/AdithyaKM_/status/1872501653108359649?t=Fb_FaVj8wDHKEH0PznKg-Q&s=19

As long as we have such genrols we don't need enemies.

Import ke chakkar me ye saale koi indigenous development nahi hone dege.


View: https://x.com/AdithyaKM_/status/1776298036983210455?t=xvgS4xkIYnjbFfHxlKAFlw&s=19

Real culprit here is not ADA but these haramkhors who dragged the whole tejas mk2 program for 10 yrs.

If India loses the next air war then the responsibility of the loss lies on these kind of import khor people and not anybody else, not the civilians or the industry but only on these.

 

[Hawkeye]

Even better; it includes individual innovator, DRDO lab and private firms

Post in thread 'Indian Private Defence Sector'

Nov 1, 2024

Laser proximity fuse for AK 630 ammunition for swarm drone defence


View: https://youtu.be/X_3vEjYFJMo

• Bhaubai

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This is not the smart fuze I am talking about, basically a timer based fuze + proximity as well if you want like in 3P ammo. We still don't know how good are proximity fuzes against very small drones and a lot depends on accuracy of gun to put rounds near enough proximity of target to let the fuze sense something. A timer based fuze will still trigger even when it's outside 1m sensing zone of fuze and has possibility of damaging the target.
This is an upgrade for Soviet autocannons and cies nonetheless and won't require any kind of modification to the system. But I still think a timer based additional function in fuze would have allowed for a wider range of applications like airburst operations against infantry etc.

 

[Ayan Barat]

This is not the smart fuze I am talking about, basically a timer based fuze + proximity as well if you want like in 3P ammo. We still don't know how good are proximity fuzes against very small drones and a lot depends on accuracy of gun to put rounds near enough proximity of target to let the fuze sense something. A timer based fuze will still trigger even when it's outside 1m sensing zone of fuze and has possibility of damaging the target.
This is an upgrade for Soviet autocannons and cies nonetheless and won't require any kind of modification to the system. But I still think a timer based additional function in fuze would have allowed for a wider range of applications like airburst operations against infantry etc.

What! No my Guy. Timer based proximity fuzes were the previous generation while active proximity fuzes are the next generation.

• The reason we were using timer based proximity fuzes in things like AHEAD or XM-25 was not because it's better but rather because we lacked the technology to miniaturise proximity fuzes enough to fit in anything smaller than 40mm caliber.
Timer based systems have always been bit iffy. Target is 4,000m away travelling at 600m/s. I'm firing my 35mm at 900m/s so it'll cover the said distance in 4.44sec but in 4.44sec the target would have travelled 2,640m to I'll have to account for that too. Then I'll program the fuze for say 5.73sec delay which will result in it bursting "somewhere near" the target.

• now consider a laser based active proximity fuzed ammo where there's no calculation and no "somewhere near" thing, you just fire them and the fuze ensures they're inside 1-2m radius when they burst. Also these are laser based instead of radar based like on 3Ps so it can't be jammed using ECMs. Also the wavelength is sub 1mm, so small that no matter how tiny the drone is it would be sufficient to trigger it.

 

[Hawkeye]

In regards of Chinese new fighter plane or bomber. I would just say people are going nuts for no reason at all. If you look at aircraft design philosophy, you'll find that each one was designed for a highly specialised role such as interceptors like Mig 25, high speed low altitude bombers like F111 and many others. And then came the era of multiroles after coldwar.

We should see this new Chinese aircraft as made for something specialised role on their learnings from their work on j10, j11 and j20.

Imo, we too need such specialised aircrafts apart from usual multirole designs in our fleet. Like a big bomber class of aircraft like B2,B1 or Tu160, no need to be fixated on tailess design, if a conventional design low rcs aircraft can designed that's good enough, which can be used to carry huge amount of missiles and ofcourse the hypersonics which weight a lot and might not be capable of being carried by multiroles in numbers.

Then there's also a case of resurgence of 5th gen interceptor aircraft such as proposed mig 41, when lobbying loads of bvr missiles from long ranges is becoming more and more mainstream. A case can be made for such an aircraft whose main focus is speed, range, stealth and weapon load capacity. A super fast jet would absolutely trump here in such a fight and will also be a good counter against this new Chinese fighter or bomber.

Anyway, all the blame lies on military leadership for this blunder, if IN can perform better with such low budget, no need to offer any kind of sympathy for IA and IAF.

I wouldn't mind paying an extra cess for any kind of integrated advanced aircraft and technologies development programme.

And lastly CHINESE ARE SIMPLY BETTER THAN US AT THE PRESENT MOMENT, better learn this truth sooner than later. Again the key word here is present, future is always fluid on what we do today.

 

[Ayan Barat]

I wouldn't mind paying an extra cess for any kind of integrated advanced aircraft and technologies development programme.

Yeah Buddy, same here. Can agree to any tax slab for an Adaptive Cycle Engine

But who's going to ensure the said cess is used for the ACE engine and not expended on anything like these?

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[ezsasa]

Yeah Buddy, same here. Can agree to any tax slab for an Adaptive Cycle Engine

But who's going to ensure the said cess is used for the ACE engine and not expended on anything like these?

that's not an issue, constitution provides for cess to be collected and spent for dedicated purposes.
for example : that's how ladakh and remote areas are getting 4G mobile towers. Universal Service Obligation Fund is a cess that is collected from telecom service providers from their license fee.

there are other types of cess in the country, which are utilised in a similar manner. if gormint is not able to use the fund as per prescribed norms, it just sits there.

but engine development will not need cess, it's just a few thousand crores spread across years for r&d at best.

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[iNorthernerOn9]

If India loses the next air war then the responsibility of the loss lies on these kind of import khor people and not anybody else, not the civilians or the industry but only on these.

It's no longer the question of "if" but "when"... the result is already known.

 

[bakofbakchod]

Has any OROP (current or former) genrol/marshal started claiming how 36 rafales is enough to counter this yet?

 

[shade2]

Anyway, all the blame lies on military leadership for this blunder, if IN can perform better with such low budget, no need to offer any kind of sympathy for IA and IAF.

Can't compare Indian Navy to Imported Air Force and Imported Army.

IN made the choice of going eventually atmarnirbhar in the 60s itself iirc to cope with always getting the lowest budget, whether they knew about the bureaucratic hurdles and political bullsh*t and resultant delays for (((Multi Vendor Import Tenders))) factoring in this desire to be atmanirbhar is not known, considering they get quick enough funding approvals for shipbuilding and for weapons/electronics since those too are either fully or partially manufactured in India.

Navy designs it's own ships via the Warship Development Bureau, they then have the ships built in DPSU shipyards like MDL, GRSE etc which all seem to have retired Navy officers somewhere in the chain, definitely in the director levels.

They started with making mods to fire French missiles from Soviet missile boats, then later on started cloning and improving on Leander class frigate design to result in the Godavari class, since then they have been making their own designs with some "borrowings" like Delhi/Shivalik class and the current Kolkata/Vishakhapatnam and Nilgiri( P17A ) classes

They also collaborate with your BEL/BDL/DRDO to get their subsystems and weapons, Import buddies like Jooz and Roosies also have joint development/production of weapons with the aforementioned or like a separate org like BrahMosAeroSpace( BrahMos ofc is mainly an anti-ship missile )

In comparison to IA and IAF playing (((customer-vendor))) games with HAL, DRDO and other DPSUs,

Navy meanwhile has taken on complete project ownership, they design the ships, choose what weapons systems need to be fitted and have the ships built also, In case Navy discovers any hot imported wunderwaffe that needs to be integrated with the ships it's their responsibility, they don't just make a new spec and ask HAL to comply and then complain when Tejas induction is delayed like the Imported Air Force.

Navy also stuggles with ((( Multi Vendor Impoort Tenders ))) as you can see with the P75I Submarines fiasco or the Minesweeper acquisition, but since the ships are Atmanirbhar in design and build and not (((Impoorted))) from foreign vendor in full such struggles aren't seen there.

Imported Army could induct large amounts of ATAGS and TGS made by Kalyani or Tata instead of stone-walling for Yahoodi wunderwaffe

Imported Airforce could induct Tejas in good numbers 5-10 years ago instead of stone-walling for Rafale and F-16 and crying about declining sqdrn numbers today

 

[Blood+]

Can't compare Indian Navy to Imported Air Force and Imported Army.

IN made the choice of going eventually atmarnirbhar in the 60s itself iirc to cope with always getting the lowest budget, whether they knew about the bureaucratic hurdles and political bullsh*t and resultant delays for (((Multi Vendor Import Tenders))) factoring in this desire to be atmanirbhar is not known, considering they get quick enough funding approvals for shipbuilding and for weapons/electronics since those too are either fully or partially manufactured in India.

Navy designs it's own ships via the Warship Development Bureau, they then have the ships built in DPSU shipyards like MDL, GRSE etc which all seem to have retired Navy officers somewhere in the chain, definitely in the director levels.

They started with making mods to fire French missiles from Soviet missile boats, then later on started cloning and improving on Leander class frigate design to result in the Godavari class, since then they have been making their own designs with some "borrowings" like Delhi/Shivalik class and the current Kolkata/Vishakhapatnam and Nilgiri( P17A ) classes

They also collaborate with your BEL/BDL/DRDO to get their subsystems and weapons, Import buddies like Jooz and Roosies also have joint development/production of weapons with the aforementioned or like a separate org like BrahMosAeroSpace( BrahMos ofc is mainly an anti-ship missile )

In comparison to IA and IAF playing (((customer-vendor))) games with HAL, DRDO and other DPSUs,

Navy meanwhile has taken on complete project ownership, they design the ships, choose what weapons systems need to be fitted and have the ships built also, In case Navy discovers any hot imported wunderwaffe that needs to be integrated with the ships it's their responsibility, they don't just make a new spec and ask HAL to comply and then complain when Tejas induction is delayed like the Imported Air Force.

Navy also stuggles with ((( Multi Vendor Impoort Tenders ))) as you can see with the P75I Submarines fiasco or the Minesweeper acquisition, but since the ships are Atmanirbhar in design and build and not (((Impoorted))) from foreign vendor in full such struggles aren't seen there.

Imported Army could induct large amounts of ATAGS and TGS made by Kalyani or Tata instead of stone-walling for Yahoodi wunderwaffe

Imported Airforce could induct Tejas in good numbers 5-10 years ago instead of stone-walling for Rafale and F-16 and crying about declining sqdrn numbers today

That would be a thing to cheer for had they been actually competent at their job, the Warship Development Bureau I mean. But sadly, that hasn't been the case so far.

 

[shade2]

That would be a thing to cheer for had they been actually competent at their job, the Warship Development Bureau I mean. But sadly, that hasn't been the case so far.

They atleast have ships, weaponry may be obsolete like those ak-630s or less in quantity as compared to peers when you talk about destroyer's VLS as compared to Air Force's "squadron declining, committee comittee, emergency procurement" or Army's Museum of Soviet maal for which modern Indian replacements exist but they want Canadian Stryker and Jewish ATHOS.

Point i'm making is that they are better than the other two but not the best, they have their foot in the door of domestic design/production rest everything can be built from there.

The other two's whole point is to make situation so dire that Govt is forced to allow imports of their choice, sometimes even tanking the political fallout like the Rafale "scam"

 

[Nutcracker]

We all know what corrupt generals want.

Yaha dalali se hi fursat nahi mil rahi hai bhadwo ko, indigenous systems ko induct nahi karna hai phir randi rona karna hai

View: https://x.com/pragyesh/status/1872268944234647844?t=Cb0knnBRgpp3o0L-t9wHCw&s=19

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1872277290740310163?t=nfFazzHB1pBT-pC-HWDv_Q&s=19

LoL, Looks like alpha defence deleted his tweet about DAP modification, probably too many comments roasting his beloved Genrols.

 

[ezsasa]

LoL, Looks like alpha defence deleted his tweet about DAP modification, probably too many comments roasting his beloved Genrols.

strategic partnership model piece is one we know of that is not finding the right balance for private players to take up big projects, this could be one area.

any other areas within DAP that have come in news lately?