DRDO and PSU's

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Before redesigning DRDO, learn fully about it

Two DRDO veterans argue as to how it can develop future technologies if it is not involved in developing the technologies, weapons, platforms and systems of today. They warn against attempting fundamental changes without a full understanding of the DRDO’s role, capabilities and track record so far.
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DRDO walas pushing back over being ((( reformed ))) by vested interests in this article

Article itself is dry but the one comment posted there by a DRDO scientist is more hard-hitting


View: https://x.com/Firezstarter1/status/1787508574710804856

This guy has screencapped it in tweet.



Hope Gobiji and Ninda Turtle block this Dalal-Baboo-Jernail joint venture "reform committee"
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babus and the people in charge will fail us and will blame to the politicians for any failure.
There is literally zero accountability can't this drdo guys just talk to the modi and kadi ninda abt this issue.
a committee which is headed by a biologist will reform DRDO.
They will soon put a useless babu on top of drdo soon.
We are stupid people with most egoistic, corrupt people's in charge at highest positions.
Sarkari Babus & -- are one of them.

We are so compromised if foreign lobbies can do some much damage to us we are doomed as a nation.
They're so many dalals & I suppose it's not just upto procurement.
 
Satish Sharma Ji said:
babus and the people in charge will fail us and will blame to the politicians for any failure.
There is literally zero accountability can't this drdo guys just talk to the modi and kadi ninda abt this issue.
a committee which is headed by a biologist will reform DRDO.
They will soon put a useless babu on top of drdo soon.
We are stupid people with most egoistic, corrupt people's in charge at highest positions.
Sarkari Babus & -- are one of them.

We are so compromised if foreign lobbies can do some much damage to us we are doomed as a nation.
They're so many dalals & I suppose it's not just upto procurement.
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The only solution is to gradually reduce DRDO to some <1000 mainly being in overseer positions with R&D contracting to private companies only akin to DARPA. But topji seems too illiterate to understand that.

The only reason why private companies aren't into R&D is because there is no provision of R&D funding here. In USA or even in Europoor, they give blank check to develop something to private OEMs, here retarded schemes like no cost no commitment are propped up. Only recently they went ahead with some IDDM 90% funding thing which is rare. Infact what we need now is making it the norm.

Recently the BEL CEO it seems giving interview proud of them screwdriving Israeli MF-STAR maal, they seem rather wanting to gravy train run to save their jobs rather than Data Patterns doing Indigenous Radar with DRDO.
 
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NerVik said:
Why this piecemeal orders, always 🤬🤬👿. 200 will arm atmost 100 planes @2 missiles each. What do they intend to do with such "large" number of missiles? Why not just order atleast 600 or 800 and be done with it, give both the operator/purchaser (IAF) and the producers the benefit of volumes. Why don't the IAF marshals speak up now when they really need to?
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When you go to a newly opened resturant in your neighborhood boasting of good food, what do you do ?

A) Order everything from starter to dessert all at once.
B) Order one item, taste it and order more depending on the quality & taste ?

Yeah, exactly.
 
NerVik said:
Why this piecemeal orders, always 🤬🤬👿. 200 will arm atmost 100 planes @2 missiles each. What do they intend to do with such "large" number of missiles? Why not just order atleast 600 or 800 and be done with it, give both the operator/purchaser (IAF) and the producers the benefit of volumes. Why don't the IAF marshals speak up now when they really need
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Already once answered by rk bhaduria. . In context of first Astra mk1 order
The pilots should be confident with the missile ..
 
Patriots said:
Already once answered by rk bhaduria. . In context of first Astra mk1 order
The pilots should be confident with the missile ..
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I want to know which pilots got confident with R-77s / R-27s and their absolute absymal accuracy and reliability. If I am flying with either of these I will rather consider opening my canopy and throwing stones at the enemy fighter than launch any of those garbage.
 
Here we go again 😒

So you Chaps are aware that missiles have service life?
A missile can stay fully functional for decades in its hermetically sealed container but as soon as you open it you've a fixed service life after which the whole missile needs to be either sent to the manufacturer for overhaul or in worst case scenario, disposed. You must be aware with the fact that thermal batteries slowly deteriorate? Or the fact that after a certain time period solid propellant slowly starts to crack or disintegrate? Now that's just one part...missiles also have "air hours" or the time they can be carried on a plane, armed before needing inspection irrespective of service life. So if a missile has an air hour of 400hr then after 200 CAP sorties of 2hr each, the missile would be temporarily pulled out of service. Missile also have a set number of landings before they need inspection irrespective of the air hours. So if it's 100 then even if it has flown just 50hr but completed 100 landings, it's going for an inspection. Factor in carrier landings and the number goes down.
So missiles are always ordered in way that a slow and steady supply is maintained matching with the demands (peace time practice + war reserves), so that missiles don't get "wasted".

Secondly; Astra is a new missile, Astra-II newer. A new missile is always inducted in tranches where the next tranche gets bigger than the previous. Even USAF won't order 2,000 AIM-260s in a go. It'll be carefully planned process.

Just to give you an idea that there's a bit of substance in my yapping, here's the orders for AIM-120 from Japan. Mind you, AMRAAM is an internationally proven system unlike Astra and yet just...
• 17 in 2014
• 56 in 2017
• 32 in 2018
• 160 in 2019
• 32 in 2020
• 150 in 2022
• and then finally in 2025 they placed an order of 1,200 missile. 450 missiles in 10 years and 1,200 in just one.

We're currently at 2018-19 stage, so just sit back and relax. If unfortunately this 2025 stage of 1,200 AMRAAMs doesn't come then start panicking...not now.
 
Patriots said:
Already once answered by rk bhaduria. . In context of first Astra mk1 order
The pilots should be confident with the missile ..
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How the hell is a pilot supposed to be confident of the missile? Are they sitting on the missile and flying it? What confidence measures the pilot needs other than knowing the testing proved the effectiveness of the missile.
 
Ayan Barat said:
Here we go again 😒

So you Chaps are aware that missiles have service life?
A missile can stay fully functional for decades in its hermetically sealed container but as soon as you open it you've a fixed service life after which the whole missile needs to be either sent to the manufacturer for overhaul or in worst case scenario, disposed. You must be aware with the fact that thermal batteries slowly deteriorate? Or the fact that after a certain time period solid propellant slowly starts to crack or disintegrate? Now that's just one part...missiles also have "air hours" or the time they can be carried on a plane, armed before needing inspection irrespective of service life. So if a missile has an air hour of 400hr then after 200 CAP sorties of 2hr each, the missile would be temporarily pulled out of service. Missile also have a set number of landings before they need inspection irrespective of the air hours. So if it's 100 then even if it has flown just 50hr but completed 100 landings, it's going for an inspection. Factor in carrier landings and the number goes down.
So missiles are always ordered in way that a slow and steady supply is maintained matching with the demands (peace time practice + war reserves), so that missiles don't get "wasted".

Secondly; Astra is a new missile, Astra-II newer. A new missile is always inducted in tranches where the next tranche gets bigger than the previous. Even USAF won't order 2,000 AIM-260s in a go. It'll be carefully planned process.

Just to give you an idea that there's a bit of substance in my yapping, here's the orders for AIM-120 from Japan. Mind you, AMRAAM is an internationally proven system unlike Astra and yet just...
• 17 in 2014
• 56 in 2017
• 32 in 2018
• 160 in 2019
• 32 in 2020
• 150 in 2022
• and then finally in 2025 they placed an order of 1,200 missile. 450 missiles in 10 years and 1,200 in just one.

We're currently at 2018-19 stage, so just sit back and relax. If unfortunately this 2025 stage of 1,200 AMRAAMs doesn't come then start panicking...not now.
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This explanation makes more sense, but given we want to make our home grown missiles the mainstay in our A2A inventory, I still feel Astra mk2 warrants more than just 200 missiles. Not in the 1200 range right off the bat, but over 400 should easily be ordered if we intend to arm all our fighters with this missiles.
 
mist_consecutive said:
When you go to a newly opened resturant in your neighborhood boasting of good food, what do you do ?

A) Order everything from starter to dessert all at once.
B) Order one item, taste it and order more depending on the quality & taste ?

Yeah, exactly.
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If this is a restaurant order, You aren't tasting it, the tasting was done during the testing phase. This is a catering order. If they wanted to test this missile dont order 100, order numbers enough just for testing and call it testing. This is an operations purchase order. If the IAF is still testing at this point then there is something seriously wrong with our product development process and/or procurement process.
 
Ayan Barat said:
This delay is interesting because soon ChaCha may come for a visit and as usual try to shove some substandard platform down our throats...
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Hey it will be very quiet in the 500 to 8000 hz frequency. It will be very easy on the pilots ears. Load carrying capacity, maintenance issues, operational flexibility are not included in the 500 to 8000 hz frequency.
 
NerVik said:
Wonder when this new safety standard was introduced, I mean we operated the utterly eardrum destroying tu95s. This standard wasn't there at that time. Also the cheetahs and cheataks don't even have enclosed cockpits won't their noise levels be even more? Or this is more specific to the frequency and only this helo has issues in thsi frequency?
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Check out his comments under the tweet.So,it's a new military standard established in 2015 . It's a good thing .
 
Clawreed said:
Check out his comments under the tweet.So,it's a new military standard established in 2015 . It's a good thing .
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In reality maybe a good thing, but who identified this requirement? And why was HAL not notified of this requirement untill the day they were ready for receiving production orders? My blackpilled makhdee sense is telling me daal poora kaala hai.
 
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