DRDO and PSU's

KarmaWeapon said:
They should be producing technology like motors, avionics and electronics and other people can use it in India but they are doing screwdriver giri now that's so disappointing.
I think now I was preparing in 2019 for jee is a waste. Cos these people have no value what they do sala funding kha ke kya karte hai
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IIT Kanpur also involved in various development activities like Ghatak UCAV and support to NAL/HAL/DRDO. This is more like their own showcasing of startup Incubation and other things I believe. But definitely it is few institutes in India which is working in some very High tech areas.
 
Ayan Barat said:
Obviously, they should produce; they are supposed to be the premier organization to bridge the technological gap we face.
But I've two questions for you

1. Who's going to fund the research?
Reasearch is an extremely capital intensive task and not just capital intensive but also there is absolutely no guarantee of ROI on that investment. Let's say I personally start a funding in IIT-K for economically viable production of CL-20. There's a strong probability that after 1-2Cr the only conclusion they get is the available current technology is not mature enough for industrial production and that's it; there goes my capital. In USA, people have this passion for R&D where they'll sink billions of dollars even if there no economic prospect but we still have a long way to cultivate that appetite.
Next comes the processes and scrutiny; in USA you've things like Lunar Lander Challenge or Hyperloop competition where you just need a proof of concept and you can get as much a million dollars to further your research...as simple as it is. Tell me what would be the process if a group of students in some IIT asks for funds for an idea they've. And also the level of scrutiny they'd face if things go south.
And lastly, the funding agency. Take this example View attachment 22302
ISRO needed a piece of tech so they're ready to burn 20l in IIT-K, in hope of getting it. Now tell me how many such projects are currently active in all the IITs combined that're being funded by Army/Navy/Air-Force because they need a tech?
2. What's the incentive that I'd get?
This guy made a small UAV that uses INS and a camera to create a rudimentary map in GPS denied environment, for military applications this can be a game changer.View attachment 22309
In just six months, army got involved and started funding! Six freaking months! If today I apply for a permit to import some restricted tech for research purposes then that would take more than this to get clearance. This is the level of incentive they've to invest in R&D; do we have?
On one hand giants like Tata and Kalyani with pretty much infinite capital compared to students are struggling to get incentive for the R&D they've done and on the other the military is dealing with people giving them substandard products in the name of I-D-D-M...among all these mess how can a bunch of students imagine incentive?
So why should they waste money, time, effort and peace of mind for something where there's so much uncertainty regarding the incentive when they can chill for four years, learn three four languages and get a pretty decent job in WITCH?
Peace out ✌️
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the dynamatics jet powered UAV will use this tech ... there is a open source project for this "autonomous" drone navigation tech...wont be surprised if everyone is basing there on that code
 
KarmaWeapon said:
They should be producing technology like motors, avionics and electronics and other people can use it in India but they are doing screwdriver giri now that's so disappointing.
I think now I was preparing in 2019 for jee is a waste. Cos these people have no value what they do sala funding kha ke kya karte hai
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To be fair you can't produce those technologies in IIT's. All those things you mentioned above need few years of industry experience. Most of the professors are incentivized to publish papers and most of the professors have no industry experience. Creating motors or such does not give you papers. Promotions there are based on paper publication.
 
Nutcracker said:
Its the total GDP which matters when it comes to defence expenditure. Small but richer countries under US's umbrella have luxury to ignore defence and invest in consumer market centric R&D, we don't. We should be acting like a country with 5th rank in nominal and third in PPP. One needs to know how to protect a 16T$ PPP economy.
We've seen the video of SV Kamat talking about R&D spending, GTRE doesn't have constant access to flying test bed, after every tweak they have to take engine to Russia and spend months in queue for the slot. How can we develop engine like this?
I don't think IAF has any vision long or short, ACM did not open his mouth about lack of funding for domestic weapons or lack of input from IAF. on the contrary he gave sly underhand remark that we should buy domestic weapons even if they are expensive. Heck which weapon was he even talking about.
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You can't spend GDP. Govt can only spend what is collects as revenue . And our budget size is still not big enough when looked in dollars terms. ( Which is important for cutting edge scientific facilities as lots of machinary will be imported at first .)
 
fire starter said:

View: https://x.com/dushtu1807/status/1880867901609234521?t=OWKMMjr700kFy70HZNYpuw&s=19

View: https://x.com/mark101earth/status/1880860923612807667?t=OxRlok6qRS1DJ09Q7UvmfQ&s=19
View: https://x.com/hukum2082/status/1880845494685208957?t=OxRlok6qRS1DJ09Q7UvmfQ&s=19
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From that Twitter thread.

The Turkan army has an unironic Fauji Foundation equivalent but that is used for R&D and production of Atmanirbhar Turk small arms and things like IFV, APC etc.

They are a GAYTO ally and could hence also (((import))) Stryker easily but they didn't.

By comparison their Navy was Import Bahadur though.
 
shade2 said:
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From that Twitter thread.

The Turkan army has an unironic Fauji Foundation equivalent but that is used for R&D and production of Atmanirbhar Turk small arms and things like IFV, APC etc.

They are a GAYTO ally and could hence also (((import))) Stryker easily but they didn't.

By comparison their Navy was Import Bahadur though.
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On a sidenote, China also executes generals & politicians on the charge of corruption & inefficiency. There is a real incentive for PSUs to work & innovate rather than weld steel benches and clean lathe machines left by britishers in 18th century.
 
@fire starter , @125mm_Smoothbore , others,
Any update on DRDO DEW programs, like on DEW pod which they highlighted? Is it related to version-2 of DURGA (Directionally Unrestricted Ray-Gun Array)
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I stumbled upon this pic which shows
example of DARPA Excalibur Laser,
concept of Fiber laser (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiber_laser),
using it in phased array Laser like phased array Radar.
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When i googled i found - just like AESA radar electronically steers beams, this phased array laser optically steers beams, not requiring gimbal. IDK if it may have been demonstrated. The following is the simplest diagram:
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Although there are numerous complex diagrams found through Google:

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So just like AESA radar, this AOSA (Active Optically Steered Array) laser.
On different 5gen jets we have seen side AESA radar, EO-DAS, DIRCM, RF-DAS (antennas distributed across airframe for radar, SPJ/EW, etc on wing, rudder, spine, belly).
On a matured future jet (6/6.5gen) we may see AOSA laser as part of Laser-DAS.
HPM (High Power Microwave) is also being R&Ded to be minimized, so we may see MW-DAS also.
Electricity required would be produced real-time from jet engine generators &/or carry internal energy/battery bank being charged by generators, impacting overall size & weight of aircraft, hence requiring much higher thrust engines to maintain TWR.
A J-36/NGAD like jet would be able to accomodate a truck-load equivalent of modular system in say 6x2x2=24 cubic meter IWB space.
These would be sufficient for short range defence against anything - BVR-AAM, CCM, gunfighter. It'll have to be a DEW fight, unless saturated with incoming missiles. So it might also result in R&D on missile with multiple sub-munition like in BMs & Starstreak SAM.
There is another fan-art pic depicting this system on a fighter jet, but by Eastern artist rather than by a Western artist like Rodrigo Avella, etc.
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I hope our ADA & DRDO would come up with a surprise - DURGA-# + AHCA. :plane::laser:
 
mist_consecutive said:
On a sidenote, China also executes generals & politicians on the charge of corruption & inefficiency. There is a real incentive for PSUs to work & innovate rather than weld steel benches and clean lathe machines left by britishers in 18th century.
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Make sense.
This is why we don't see contraptions like 3-insas-rifles-in-a-mount "drone gun", Tractor-Mounted ATGM and 3-mortars-mounted-on-a-truck-bed coming out of the PLA. :bplease:

Neither have I heard of PLA officers having a paucity of NVGs and saying having lots of carrots and sleeping in the days so your eyes are adjusted to seeing the night is enough to compensate. :truestory:
 
shade2 said:
Make sense.
This is why we don't see contraptions like 3-insas-rifles-in-a-mount "drone gun", Tractor-Mounted ATGM and 3-mortars-mounted-on-a-truck-bed coming out of the PLA. :bplease:

Neither have I heard of PLA officers having a paucity of NVGs and saying having lots of carrots and sleeping in the days so your eyes are adjusted to seeing the night is enough to compensate. :truestory:
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two different systems.

chini accountability is to the party not to the public, we are getting the info we get is because gormint is custodian of public money, and there is a electoral test every year on how well they managed public affairs.

if there was no electoral test, we too can get only sanitised information with only fantastic bits coming out while censoring the ugly bits.
 
ezsasa said:
two different systems.

chini accountability is to the party not to the public, we are getting the info we get is because gormint is custodian of public money, and there is a electoral test every year on how well they managed public affairs.

if there was no electoral test, we too can get only sanitised information with only fantastic bits coming out while censoring the ugly bits.
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All I've mentioned is not the elected Govt's responsibility.

Not in our system, not in theirs most likely.

Even though PLA is the "armed wing" of the CCP but the things i've mentioned is in regards to equipment, and the CCP wouldn't intervene unless something went catastrophically wrong, like the one news piece where their missiles were filled with water instead of fuel, you can expect everyone involved was shot or sent to gulag, but these are exceptions.
 
shade2 said:
All I've mentioned is not the elected Govt's responsibility.

Not in our system, not in theirs most likely.

Even though PLA is the "armed wing" of the CCP but the things i've mentioned is in regards to equipment, and the CCP wouldn't intervene unless something went catastrophically wrong, like the one news piece where their missiles were filled with water instead of fuel, you can expect everyone involved was shot or sent to gulag, but these are exceptions.
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it's the gormints that give these instructions on what level of PR to do. if left to the forces, they would prefer nothing comes out in public domain in the name of operational secrecy, except for recruitment.

a military that haven't participated in conflict since 1979, doesn't do any mistakes. this simply cannot happen. even the mighty muricans who go into conflicts every decade, are pretty transparent about their mistakes, albeit clouded under cleverly worded military jargon.

ofcourse chini are very good at PR game, usually communist gormints are. like how they unveiled their "6th gen" aircraft as a message to incoming U.S administration.

ours is an open book, as much info is released which our forces possibly can in the name of accountability, without compromising operational details. which in turn gives rise to all these discussions where everybody is an expert on how xyz does not know how to do their jobs.
 
dfi_pk said:
IMO not HPM
IMO Tactical Satellite Interception System
Let's see


View: https://x.com/GODOFPARADOXES/status/1870844321001607564
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When i googled "DRDO microwave weapon" then this pic poped up on IDRW site
(https://idrw.org/a-rare-glimpse-into-drdos-high-power-microwave-system/)
A StatFront post by its moderator also says it is HPM.
(http://www.strategicfront.org/forum...isation-drdo-news-and-updates.144/post-287931).
I checked the YT episode of Bharat-Shakti's visit to BEL but they didn't cover its details.
Google Lens search mostly lists it as HPM.
Google Image search "Bharat electronics radar" or "Bharat electronics satcom" doesn't show it.
'Bharat electronics microwave" showed Kitchen MW oven :facepalm2::facepalm4:
Rest IDK 🤷‍♂️:noidea::notsure:🤔
DEW mght be expected from DoD unit like HEMRL (High Energy Materials Research Lab).
 
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