DRDO and PSU's

[Blood+]

Might help in imagining...
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Thank the God Emperor for the Himalayas!!

S-ti-may-shion

Even if we consider per unit cost to be $5 million then total cost of BrahMos would be $1.92 billion.
[if backward calculated from the 220 piece Navy order worth $2.3 billion then it'd a whopping $10 million; I went with the 2007 Army order of 72 (one reg) for $83 million and then adjusted it for inflation]

Yeah, that's what's been bugging me since the day that report came out!! I mean, how on earth could the price shoot up like that??!! What are they putting in these damn things??!!

 

[shade2]

It's not zaziya we could have payed it with additional p-8i mh-60 m-777 c-130 and multiple other platforms which we require
But Americans are stubborn about Strykers bcoz they want to kill the industry of armoured vehicles and manke india dependent on them in this regard

Once whap is killed no more funds will be produced for NG variants (we have mahindra whap but again effort from drdo side and no commitment from army) this making us dependent on their vehicles for decades

Here they don't want our money they want our industry

Agree with this, since P8I, C-17, Chinook, MH60R Romeo, KC-130 tanker etc orders would be more in terms of $$$$ from a pure greed perspective, if they are pushing Stryker from their end it's only because they want to establish dependence on them.

For context only other bulk procurement 1000+ pieces of the AAAAH I'M IMPOOOOORTING sort are the T72,T90 and BMP-2 from the Rooskie when he used to go by USSR


As i've mentioned before with all those American items, they are for transport/support and are not frontline combat platforms, if we buy Stryker in 500+ amounts it will establish a dependency even in frontline combat platforms

 

[fire starter]

View: https://x.com/AjayshreeSamby3/status/1884569341892636746?t=tM8x3ne9RTnUHSpFIDWtPg&s=19

 

[Anants]

View: https://x.com/AjayshreeSamby3/status/1884569341892636746?t=tM8x3ne9RTnUHSpFIDWtPg&s=19

Finally after 26 years.. Pinaka is getting its due. Hope to see similar large orders for other programs too helina, nag, etc

 

[Arihant Roy]

Talos (1955), Bomarc (1958), ASMP (1986), Bloodhound (1958), Sea Dart in (1973)...so saying that we're the most experienced would be bit of an overstretch. Contractors have mastered ramjet propulsion and cruise missile technology decades before us, it's just that they didn't try to compete in this niche before 2005. They were more concerned with developing counters for supersonic cruise missile as it was an adversarial threat.

As for price; yes, we can theoretically produce things cheaper than others. But there are numerous other things that goes in pricing decision than just the availability of cheap labour; take the price of BrahMos itself for example. From economies of scale to how much margin one can reduce, n number of factors. One of the biggest factor of pricing is the availability of cheaper dual use items that come from non defence sectors. Let's say you've conceptualized a new missile that because of its clever design manages to reduce cost but as soon you'll starts placing orders with other local firms for items like screws, actuators, drivers, CNC service, sensors...you'd realise how exorbitantly high they charge. But you're in defence so like automobile or consumer you don't have the luxury to import these from China.

Before BrahMos and Oniks, there was P-700.

Entered service in 1983. Weighs more than a Tejas jet.


Then there was 9M8 missile of 2K11 Krug. Entered service in 1965. Liquid fuelled ramjet.




USSR and Russia now has more experience in ramjet propulsion than even the US.

 

[Azaad]

Speaking of, I wonder what happened to that gentleman.

From what I understand based on a conversation a member of another forum had with Ghazala Wahab on Twitter , a magazine PKS used to write for, apparently he's passed away.

 

[Blood+]

From what I understand based on a conversation a member of another forum had with Ghazala Wahab on Twitter , a magazine PKS used to write for, apparently he's passed away.

Oh my God!!

 

[shade2]

More details


View: https://x.com/AdithyaKM_/status/1884570983580721306

Order split between Solar/EEL( Private sector ) and MIL( PSU )

Govt should do more of these splits, pic related

 

[DancingPeacock]

More details


View: https://x.com/AdithyaKM_/status/1884570983580721306

Order split between Solar/EEL( Private sector ) and MIL( PSU )

Govt should do more of these splits, pic related

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I mean almost 750M Orderbook is better than peanuts earlier for Solar Group but why MIL? Lets see whether gormint PSU deliver on time or not because the Dhanush Guns aren't still delivered. There has been reports that Solar Group reduced time to manufacture them within 15 days or so.

 

[shade2]

I mean almost 750M Orderbook is better than peanuts earlier for Solar Group but why MIL? Lets see whether gormint PSU deliver on time or not because the Dhanush Guns aren't still delivered. There has been reports that Solar Group reduced time to manufacture them within 15 days or so.

Better to have more than one source, since this is a munition after all.
Even for platforms i think it's better to have two or more sources with production facilities across two or more locations

The current method of both L1 and L2 getting the orders shared or L1 contracting to another company is a good setup imo, they should just keep the orders flowing from their end.

 

[Hawkeye]

S-ti-may-shion


Most probably Dada ran out of green ink for watermarking, so decided to stop writing articles

Might help in imagining...
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well... it was always a lost game, just realized late

 

[Ayan Barat]

Before BrahMos and Oniks, there was P-700.

Entered service in 1983. Weighs more than a Tejas jet. View attachment 23433


Then there was 9M8 missile of 2K11 Krug. Entered service in 1965. Liquid fuelled ramjet.

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USSR and Russia now has more experience in ramjet propulsion than even the US.

Hey Man, I was still waiting for your comments on VSHORAD but anyways, glad you replied!

My response was in reply to the comment that only India and Russia are the pioneers of ramjet propulsion. That's why I had mentioned everyone from Britain, France and US.

Don't know how you mistook it for USA vs Russia when I had clearly mentioned how the focus for America was on intercepting, rather than catching up.

But if this is indeed the silly hill on which we've decided to die on then here's not just a ramjet, but a high-performance ramjet rated for human flight from 1962

 

[KAB7777]

I mean almost 750M Orderbook is better than peanuts earlier for Solar Group but why MIL? Lets see whether gormint PSU deliver on time or not because the Dhanush Guns aren't still delivered. There has been reports that Solar Group reduced time to manufacture them within 15 days or so.

Gun Carriage Factory, Jabalpur which makes the Dhanush comes under AWEIL, not MIL.

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[DancingPeacock]

Better to have more than one source, since this is a munition after all.
Even for platforms i think it's better to have two or more sources with production facilities across two or more locations

The current method of both L1 and L2 getting the orders shared or L1 contracting to another company is a good setup imo, they should just keep the orders flowing from their end.

You are assuming that the shitstain Gormint PSU can produce that with same quality and same timelines as Solar Group. Solar Group went beyond lengths to introduce new manufacturing methods to reduce the timelines from 50 days to 15 days. Its better to have two for redundancy but if one is shitstain DPSU its waste of money.

 

[Arihant Roy]

Arre it's not a functional account Bhai, just a burner to see all the e-lafdas. Like my recent favorites are that of a guy named Aditya going toe to toe with Mons Rattus.

@Arihant Roy
"Its unique arrangement of four thrusters mounted on the circumference of the airframe is unique among all MANPADs in the world."
May I present to you the Swedish RBS-70
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What's indeed unique in VSHORAD is the reason it uses this. In other systems like RBS-70 this is used as the rear portion houses the laser receiver for its SACLOS guidance, where if you have a conventional exhaust then you can't have a receiver and if you don't direct the plumes away from its body then the smoke would blind the receiver from getting guidance commands from the launcher. But VSHORAD is an IIR guided fire-n-forget missile, you don't need all these.
The most probable reason because of which VSHORAD follows this schema is that it's more or less a NAG; with the primary difference being scaling down to 90mm from 150mm.
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Among all the various Shorad missiles in the world, only RBS-70 and our design have these arrangement of thrusters. Doesn't it make the DRDO design unique?

I had already commented on one of my posts and on one of Firestarter's post , ie Rakesh of BRF that the idea of this arrangement has been taken from Nag mk1.

You really believe I am an ignorant noob who has been pursuing these things for the past few years? .Because if you do so, you are highly mistaken.

Infact I had been a member of DFI under this very name since early 2018. I had been into these for a long long time.

 

[Blademaster]

Rakesh is firestarter?

 

[Arihant Roy]

Hey Man, I was still waiting for your comments on VSHORAD but anyways, glad you replied!

My response was in reply to the comment that only India and Russia are the pioneers of ramjet propulsion. That's why I had mentioned everyone from Britain, France and US.

Don't know how you mistook it for USA vs Russia when I had clearly mentioned how the focus for America was on intercepting, rather than catching up.

But if this is indeed the silly hill on which we've decided to die on then here's not just a ramjet, but a high-performance ramjet rated for human flight from 1962
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You really thought that I don't know that Nag had a similar propulsion layout?


View: https://x.com/Ray70409890/status/1883408371166179385


View: https://x.com/Ray70409890/status/1883413618735407397

 

[jaijaganath]

Agree with this, since P8I, C-17, Chinook, MH60R Romeo, KC-130 tanker etc orders would be more in terms of $$$$ from a pure greed perspective, if they are pushing Stryker from their end it's only because they want to establish dependence on them.

For context only other bulk procurement 1000+ pieces of the AAAAH I'M IMPOOOOORTING sort are the T72,T90 and BMP-2 from the Rooskie when he used to go by USSR


As i've mentioned before with all those American items, they are for transport/support and are not frontline combat platforms, if we buy Stryker in 500+ amounts it will establish a dependency even in frontline combat platforms

It's far worse than a scam
They are deliberately trading with our industry and mudiji along with jai shankar are looking them with red laser eyes

When u don't find ur own engine program don't invest in testing labs and infrastructure u can't do anything except accepting the supremacy of Americans

They have grabbed our balls and they will do whatever they want

 

[Indianhawk]

It gas begun. TEDBF 1st flight pushed back to 2029...

ADA Resets Timeline for TEDBF Program After Bureaucratic Delays – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

If it's true then it is good actually. Finally we are dealing with reality and proposing actual realistic timelines. Which means finally we are being sincere about complex aeronautics programs.

 

[samsaptaka]

View: https://x.com/livefist/status/1884121316825129128
Indian startup
@IGDrones
announces the sale of VTOL & FPV drones to the Indian Army. Uptick in ‘100% Indian drones’ after incident last year where Indian Army drone (presumably with Chinese components) was reportedly ‘hijacked’ near the LoC.

Has any IA gernail or MoD babu checked if this alleged startup does not use chinka components in its drone ? If its of chinka components into a aatmanirbhar drone, what is the point, except gorilla chest thumping for aatmanirbharta and earning Maulana brownie points