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Corvus Splendens said:
The 110/120kn engine JV deal will be a similar repeat I fear. If we really want a JV, might try with Rolls Royce. Although I'm not confident on RR either. The Chinese way is the way to go, but Indians being Indians won't risk a massive investment without a guarantee of success. This "being smart" attitude is really working against us here. The AL-31FP engines have 2000 hours of MTBO, 500 hours for the thrust vectoring nozzles. Why are we going forward with the attitude that our first indigenous turbofan in service HAS to have 4000 hours of MTBO. Even if Kaveri has 2000 hours of MTBO at ideal thrust, use it and go forward from there. I bet the AL-31 has already been reverse engineered, use it and go forward from there. Make a drone big enough to use the Kaveri with the afterburner and validate it's reliability; and address issues from there.
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Blademaster said:
Excuses excuses. South Korea was not a serious ship building nation at birth but it came around during the 80s and 90s. India messed this one up.
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No excuses but plain vanilla reality!
SoKo did it because they could, We did not because we never do it.
 
Kaal 5 SLBM is Massive missile with 3 Stages 🕉🇮🇳🚀☢️💪

K5 Stage 1 Diameter 2.45 Meters
K5 Stage 2 Diameter 2.45 Meters
k5 Stage 3 Diameter "unknown"

DRDO-ASL 🥹🫡


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Today morning i found that "K5 is 3 Staged missile with 2.4 Meters Diameter" 🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳:pound:

I was disappointed when they tested 2 staged missile with MIRV and passed it as Agni 5 MIRV Missile

DRDO is simultaneously developing " K5 & VEDA"..... Tests of "K5 , VEDA" Are soon if not already done and kept in AC Rooms :pound::pound::pound::pound::pound:
 
AGNI 6 ICBM said:
Kaal 5 SLBM is Massive missile with 3 Stages 🕉🇮🇳🚀☢️💪

K5 Stage 1 Diameter 2.45 Meters
K5 Stage 2 Diameter 2.45 Meters
k5 Stage 3 Diameter "unknown"

DRDO-ASL 🥹🫡


View: https://x.com/prudhvitej32/status/1894646947098890412



Today morning i found that "K5 is 3 Staged missile with 2.4 Meters Diameter" 🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳:pound:

I was disappointed when they tested 2 staged missile with MIRV and passed it as Agni 5 MIRV Missile

DRDO is simultaneously developing " K5 & VEDA"..... Tests of "K5 , VEDA" Are soon if not already done and kept in AC Rooms :pound::pound::pound::pound::pound:
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Corvus Splendens said:
The 110/120kn engine JV deal will be a similar repeat I fear. If we really want a JV, might try with Rolls Royce. Although I'm not confident on RR either. The Chinese way is the way to go, but Indians being Indians won't risk a massive investment without a guarantee of success. This "being smart" attitude is really working against us here. The AL-31FP engines have 2000 hours of MTBO, 500 hours for the thrust vectoring nozzles. Why are we going forward with the attitude that our first indigenous turbofan in service HAS to have 4000 hours of MTBO. Even if Kaveri has 2000 hours of MTBO at ideal thrust, use it and go forward from there. I bet the AL-31 has already been reverse engineered, use it and go forward from there. Make a drone big enough to use the Kaveri with the afterburner and validate it's reliability; and address issues from there.
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Anonymous Bharata said:

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^that twitter post mentioning how they don't want to risk anger of russians 😒 :facepalm2::facepalm4:🤦‍♂️

we've already discussed a lot over import bahadurs , corrupt babudumbs, this that lobbyists and to some extent MEA also playing a role in defense procurements here - but today i'll rant bigly on russians and their peculiar attitude towards us 😒

now before any globohomo weimerica ka choda feels excited or any russophile gets his panties in twist, i'd like to say that i personally agree that Russia indeed has been a great partner to us in many ways; but if weimericans can be criticised for their arm-twisting of us and that "geopolitical jizya extraction" - why the hell cannot russians be seen with same glasses ?!

i mean let me count some incidents
-> FUCKIN' KALASHNIKOV AK-203 THING HUH?! I mean remember the incident when Mikhail Kalashnikov visited some exhibition and protested at us making "copies" of his rifle, huh? I'm sure it played some role in those rifles coming over here, as that factory in Amethi was being discussed when only AK-103 existed wayy back in 2010 times when Mr. Rahul Gandhi became MLA from there and all...so
in some ways plans to bring russian arms factory had always been there...

and i suspect it's one or other form of ruusi geopolitical jizya because LITERALLY EVERYONE COPIES KALASHNIKOVS, AND RUSSIANS CAN'T DO JACK SHIT ABOUT IT, BUT OOH THEIR SOYCEALIST PUPPETS DEM INDIANS MADE SOMETHING WE MADE IN FUCKIN' 50s ?! REEEE YUO MUST PAY SOME CONCESSION OR ROYALTY TO US REEE! 😒

-> we got Tin-72 loicense + ToT here to make those tanks here locally, later we even got Tin-90-ASS stuffs here, then we have BMP-2 line...and yet when we decided to tinker around with Tin-72 chassy mated to Arjun Turret = Karna MBT, these same ruusi cykas got into bitching mode and REEEE YUO KAN'T UZE ZE TIN-72 TURRET IT VIOLATES MUH TURMS REEE STHAAP...AND BUY OUR TANKZ REEE 😒 - resulting in Karna MBT getting shelved and us giving repeat orders of Tin-90-ASS

-> we decided BMP-2s are getting old and outdated so let's attempt at making our own IFV, enter the Abhay IFV, and when this winds reached to ruusi cykas they got into bitching mode again and REEEE HOW DARE YA MAKE YER OWN BMP STHAAP...OH BTW YUO CAN BUY BMP-3s IF YE AGREE TO STHAAP YER IFV POGROM...

result, Abhay despite some potential mostly remained as a tech demonstrator, and now becoming base for FICV program, while more BMP-2s had to be taken in and these ruusi cykas never got orders for BMP-3, but stalled out progress in mid 😒

and if you even go back to era when newly conceived ISRO was trying to make their own satellites and rockets like Aryabhatta and SLV, even then these ruusi cykas attempted to stall it citing how it's technically advanced stuff and one should start from low (about launch of Aryabhatta) but our guys insisted they are confident with it...and now ISRO is a great success,

then ask @Binayak95 about Su-30MKI things, how ruusis extracted 2 LAKH INR for even some 'spanner' meant for assembling stuffs on that jet, to start with, that they provided us manuals and stuff in russian that we had to hire ukrainian engineers back then to tackle lots of stuff and what not, despite paying them premium

and entire PAKFA exploitation is well known

i can go on and on with examples, but my point is, WHY THEY RECEIVE SO MUCH GEOPOLITICAL JIZYA FROM US IN MANY FORMS?! AND WHY THEY ARE OFTEN ABLE TO ARM-TWIST US FOR COPYING SOME OF THEIR STUFF WHILE ENTIRE WORLD ENJOYS THAT "LUXURY" ? WHAT THE HELL THOSE RUUSIS EVEN HAVE ON US THAT OUR GORMINT KEPT BENDING OVER TO THOSE CYKAS ?! :frusty::frusty::frusty:
 
Blademaster said:
Excuses excuses. South Korea was not a serious ship building nation at birth but it came around during the 80s and 90s. India messed this one up.
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We are a Warship building nation since the 60s atleast, thanks to Navy Design Bureau and MDL at the start, now other DPSU Shipyards are also taking part.

We are also a submarine building nation because of the Arihant submarines, modified from Roosi/Soviet SSN design that was fully purchased including "know why" as per this Admiral in article 👇

www.indiatoday.in

The ATV project was Atmanirbhar since its inception: Vice Admiral PC Bhasin (retd)

Vice Admiral P.C. Bhasin (retd) explains how the Advanced Technology Vessel programme led to the construction of India’s first indigenous nuclear submarine
www.indiatoday.in www.indiatoday.in

As for >"Turkans and Koreans making clones of Das Deutsche Uboot and we're still impoorting" goes...

Turkans have purchased like 14 Type 209 subs from HDW/TKMS and a further 6 Type 214 subs.

Koreans have purchased 9 Type 209s and 9 Type 214s from HDW/TKMS, they also reverse engineered the Siemens Fuel Cell AIP from the Type 214.

We never had such a "good customer" relationship with Die Deutschen/HDW/TKMS in the first place thanks to the Type 209/Shishumar submarine deal being torpedoed by SCAM allegations.

Anyway these are all excuses, a diesel engine version of the Arihant class design could have been put into production if the Navy was serious about it, but they were seemingly chasing the mythical ToT-for-AIP, and not chasing the "numbers game" like they are doing now for surface warships.
 
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