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AGNI 6 ICBM said:
Cutting edge...🤣🤣🤡🤡

So Dallali for 50 years old shit begins officialy....😖😣

French be like 4 brown sepoys visited our factory today....🥳🥳

Saar state of the art saar

HAL LUH is very bad saaar 🤡


View: https://x.com/prudhvitej32/status/1894747199319457968

LUH was specifically built for high altitudes 😢😭
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Shameless faces....these clowns are literally laughing 🤬
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Short niggas & brown sepoys 😡🤬


One brown sepoy (turban) is medically unfit and is unable to stand straight 🤣

Right most brown sepoy is obese and pulling his big stomach inwards for photo ops 🤣

IMO it's high time we import officers from The Indian navy 💪
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Look at smile on his face
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He is probably thinking i am best salesnan for selling 50 year old junk to brown as state of the art
 
johny_baba said:
so again, a big reason, even if indirect, behind ruusi jizya is basically, babudumbs curse as @iNorthernerOn9 mentioned in some post in the economy thread? 🤷‍♂️ :frusty:

on good ol' D F I 'kuchh nahi toh ruusi maal le aaenge' was a known thing for any importbaazi committed by import bahadurs, but it seems MoD babudumbs also play a huge role in enabling this type of exploitation
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I was reading this article, here's a quote

www.spsnavalforces.com

The Growth and Development of the Submarine Arm

The eighties was a decade of massive changes that not only recognised the importance of the submarine arm but laid the foundation for the transformation of the arm - from conventional submarine operations that would fulfil Sea Denial missions to deterrence patrols that would be the most reliable...
www.spsnavalforces.com

Concurrent with the initiation of the HDW programme, for some inexplicable reason the Indian Navy ordered import of four 877 EKM submarines from the erstwhile Soviet Union. The strength of the 877 EKMs was eventually increased to 10. This decision was non sequitur in the indigenisation idea. The HDW scam and the 877 EKM acquisition programme sounded the death knell for the indigenous submarine programme. All facilities created at MDL and skills that were developed fell to disuse after INS Shankul was delivered in 1994
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>Domestic sub-building contract not extended because of scam 🤡
> Yet import 6 more subs built in Russia 🤦

At some point i think we will only be import-mukt if everyone sanctions and embargoes us like Chings got after 1989 Tiananmen Square, otherwise this "Buy from 5 places" will continue ad infinitum, domestic projects will always be "science projects" meant to keep sarkari karamcharis and sarkari vaigyaniks employed.
 
ArjunMK1A said:
Listening to few DDR Indigenous appreciation podcast. General theme is MOD babus were fickle Mofos who cannot tolerate failure in R&D. This results in DRDO and other afraid of loosing funding due to project failure while trying out. Thus an extremely long development cycle to ensure product never fails.

MOD babus were happy to import since the pain of R&D not on their head. On the other hand we will be ripped off left, right and center.
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The directions to the babooos flow from the dhotis. If the latter have vested interests , the former will play along if not be silent partners like in the 1980s & before mostly.

It's not as if later deals have been clean but the high point in defence corruption was always the 1970s & 80s during the IG & later RaGa Sr era.

Finally it's upto the Raksha Mantri to take a call & back the DRDO & its various labs to the hilt assuring them no project would be stopped or scrapped for a failure in achieving prescribed parameters however limited their scope & it's for the RM to lay down the line to the armed forces like how MP charted out the road map for the LCA program -> LCA Mk-1 FOC -> LCA Mk-1a -> LCA Mk-2 .

IIRC , the FGFA / PAKFA project was also put into the cold storage during his tenure & he got the IAF to fully back the AMCA . Project definition also happened during his time where AMCA was split into 2 phases Mk-1 & Mk-2.

TEDBF was also conceptualised during his tenure when the IN weren't satisfied with the way the N-LCA was shaping up though the cancellation of N-LCA was a later phenomenon with TEDBF being approved in NS's tenure if I'm not mistaken.

Then we have the present specimen who couldn't even convince ex IAF ACM Chaudhari to drop his blocking of piece meal induction of the Rafales in favour of a tender. MoD is in full auto pilot mode run by the babooos.
 
johny_baba said:
^that twitter post mentioning how they don't want to risk anger of russians 😒 :facepalm2::facepalm4:🤦‍♂️

we've already discussed a lot over import bahadurs , corrupt babudumbs, this that lobbyists and to some extent MEA also playing a role in defense procurements here - but today i'll rant bigly on russians and their peculiar attitude towards us 😒

now before any globohomo weimerica ka choda feels excited or any russophile gets his panties in twist, i'd like to say that i personally agree that Russia indeed has been a great partner to us in many ways; but if weimericans can be criticised for their arm-twisting of us and that "geopolitical jizya extraction" - why the hell cannot russians be seen with same glasses ?!

i mean let me count some incidents
-> FUCKIN' KALASHNIKOV AK-203 THING HUH?! I mean remember the incident when Mikhail Kalashnikov visited some exhibition and protested at us making "copies" of his rifle, huh? I'm sure it played some role in those rifles coming over here, as that factory in Amethi was being discussed when only AK-103 existed wayy back in 2010 times when Mr. Rahul Gandhi became MLA from there and all...so
in some ways plans to bring russian arms factory had always been there...

and i suspect it's one or other form of ruusi geopolitical jizya because LITERALLY EVERYONE COPIES KALASHNIKOVS, AND RUSSIANS CAN'T DO JACK SHIT ABOUT IT, BUT OOH THEIR SOYCEALIST PUPPETS DEM INDIANS MADE SOMETHING WE MADE IN FUCKIN' 50s ?! REEEE YUO MUST PAY SOME CONCESSION OR ROYALTY TO US REEE! 😒

-> we got Tin-72 loicense + ToT here to make those tanks here locally, later we even got Tin-90-ASS stuffs here, then we have BMP-2 line...and yet when we decided to tinker around with Tin-72 chassy mated to Arjun Turret = Karna MBT, these same ruusi cykas got into bitching mode and REEEE YUO KAN'T UZE ZE TIN-72 TURRET IT VIOLATES MUH TURMS REEE STHAAP...AND BUY OUR TANKZ REEE 😒 - resulting in Karna MBT getting shelved and us giving repeat orders of Tin-90-ASS

-> we decided BMP-2s are getting old and outdated so let's attempt at making our own IFV, enter the Abhay IFV, and when this winds reached to ruusi cykas they got into bitching mode again and REEEE HOW DARE YA MAKE YER OWN BMP STHAAP...OH BTW YUO CAN BUY BMP-3s IF YE AGREE TO STHAAP YER IFV POGROM...

result, Abhay despite some potential mostly remained as a tech demonstrator, and now becoming base for FICV program, while more BMP-2s had to be taken in and these ruusi cykas never got orders for BMP-3, but stalled out progress in mid 😒

and if you even go back to era when newly conceived ISRO was trying to make their own satellites and rockets like Aryabhatta and SLV, even then these ruusi cykas attempted to stall it citing how it's technically advanced stuff and one should start from low (about launch of Aryabhatta) but our guys insisted they are confident with it...and now ISRO is a great success,

then ask @Binayak95 about Su-30MKI things, how ruusis extracted 2 LAKH INR for even some 'spanner' meant for assembling stuffs on that jet, to start with, that they provided us manuals and stuff in russian that we had to hire ukrainian engineers back then to tackle lots of stuff and what not, despite paying them premium

and entire PAKFA exploitation is well known

i can go on and on with examples, but my point is, WHY THEY RECEIVE SO MUCH GEOPOLITICAL JIZYA FROM US IN MANY FORMS?! AND WHY THEY ARE OFTEN ABLE TO ARM-TWIST US FOR COPYING SOME OF THEIR STUFF WHILE ENTIRE WORLD ENJOYS THAT "LUXURY" ? WHAT THE HELL THOSE RUUSIS EVEN HAVE ON US THAT OUR GORMINT KEPT BENDING OVER TO THOSE CYKAS ?! :frusty::frusty::frusty:
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Russian dirt and influence is far more sinister and deadly than CIA or deep state, the only difference is they did it via insititutional capture of our universities, babudom, and to a significant degree the officers of the armed forces of yester year. Only now is that veil lifting.

They did the same to the US, with leftist ideology and the whole LGBTQA++ chutiyaap, except morons there are too fucking clueless to see it.

China follwed the same approach with them confucius insititutes - except they played the game too fast and got caught.

The collapse of the USSR meant that the world escaped a silver bullet - it was the best goddamn thing to have happened otherwise forget economic liberalisation of the 90s, today India would have had an communist govt.
 
jaijaganath said:
It feels like
"Har din naya zakham" for defence segment
Everyday we are getting negative news regarding indigenous defence production

It's curse to follow defence in India or to work in the such establishment
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Work ka theek hai, DPSU/DRDO lobby is strong so their jobs aren't endangered.

However as a fanboi it is black pill upon black pill, import train will continue to catch speed as the months pass.
WhaP, Zorawar, Tejas, Prachand, LUH even Dhruv, sab ka time aayega :/

Thank god there are things like SSN/SSBN and ICBMs we can't import from 5 places atleast, nahi to woh bhi ho jaata.
 
shade2 said:
Work ka theek hai, DPSU/DRDO lobby is strong so their jobs aren't endangered.

However as a fanboi it is black pill upon black pill, import train will continue to catch speed as the months pass.
WhaP, Zorawar, Tejas, Prachand, LUH even Dhruv, sab ka time aayega :/

Thank god there are things like SSN/SSBN and ICBMs we can't import from 5 places atleast, nahi to woh bhi ho jaata.
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I think simply govt remain close their ears for foreign maal. And push army to accept local maal otherwise nothing
 
shade2 said:
Work ka theek hai, DPSU/DRDO lobby is strong so their jobs aren't endangered.

However as a fanboi it is black pill upon black pill, import train will continue to catch speed as the months pass.
WhaP, Zorawar, Tejas, Prachand, LUH even Dhruv, sab ka time aayega :/

Thank god there are things like SSN/SSBN and ICBMs we can't import from 5 places atleast, nahi to woh bhi ho jaata.
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I think army already using dhruv .
 
shade2 said:
Work ka theek hai, DPSU/DRDO lobby is strong so their jobs aren't endangered.

However as a fanboi it is black pill upon black pill, import train will continue to catch speed as the months pass.
WhaP, Zorawar, Tejas, Prachand, LUH even Dhruv, sab ka time aayega :/

Thank god there are things like SSN/SSBN and ICBMs we can't import from 5 places atleast, nahi to woh bhi ho jaata.
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There is a very clear explanation - idk how you guys keep missing it. The gormint does not have the kind of money or execution capabilities to fund and oversee the in house development of all the critical tech you guys expect them to. And dhandhos wouldn't do it because the risks are too high. So imports are viewed as a shortcut and applied at random.

This old habit has reached the very top of the security forces and there is now an entire battalion of civilian/military babudom and UN genrols vehemently opposed to domestic R&D because it is kind of a cultural attribute now. The incumbent gormint however, fiscally conservative as they are, has kept imports in check (would I dare say, that this is the most pro-indigenization gormint we have ever had?) and that continues to ruffle some feathers.

Essentially, these import lobby thingy, just like pretty much everything wrong with this country, is essentially a state capacity issue. I would even go on to say that the tight budgetary constraints of security forces (yet another state capacity issue) is another reason why domestic R&D is not taking shape in a way you guys want it to - they do not have the money to induct in numbers and maintaining a large force takes additional toll (this is also why jawans keep dying in J&K because again, no money to induct the necessary no of armoured vehicles without making serious compromises elsewhere) which is why committing serious resources to product development does not always make sense.

You can see this same pattern in normie industrial R&D - dhandhos shy away from pouring money into developing tech because the domestic market for the truly cutting edge stuffs is not that big.

AGNI 6 ICBM said:
Cutting edge...🤣🤣🤡🤡

So Dallali for 50 years old shit begins officialy....😖😣

French be like 4 brown sepoys visited our factory today....🥳🥳

Saar state of the art saar

HAL LUH is very bad saaar 🤡


View: https://x.com/prudhvitej32/status/1894747199319457968

LUH was specifically built for high altitudes 😢😭
View attachment 26169


Shameless faces....these clowns are literally laughing 🤬
View attachment 26170
Short niggas & brown sepoys 😡🤬


One brown sepoy (turban) is medically unfit and is unable to stand straight 🤣

Right most brown sepoy is obese and pulling his big stomach inwards for photo ops 🤣

IMO it's high time we import officers from The Indian navy 💪
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There still won't be a major deal with Airbus. Even if they bribe all the UN genrols and import bahadurs.
 
crazywithmath said:
There is a very clear explanation - idk how you guys keep missing it. The gormint does not have the kind of money or execution capabilities to fund and oversee the in house development of all the critical tech you guys expect them to. And dhandhos wouldn't do it because the risks are too high. So imports are viewed as a shortcut and applied at random.

This old habit has reached the very top of the security forces and there is now an entire battalion of civilian/military babudom and UN genrols vehemently opposed to domestic R&D because it is kind of a cultural attribute now. The incumbent gormint however, fiscally conservative as they are, has kept imports in check (would I dare say, that this is the most pro-indigenization gormint we have ever had?) and that continues to ruffle some feathers.

Essentially, these import lobby thingy, just like pretty much everything wrong with this country, is essentially a state capacity issue. I would even go on to say that the tight budgetary constraints of security forces (yet another state capacity issue) is another reason why domestic R&D is not taking shape in a way you guys want it to - they do not have the money to induct in numbers and maintaining a large force takes additional toll (this is also why jawans keep dying in J&K because again, no money to induct the necessary no of armoured vehicles without making serious compromises elsewhere) which is why committing serious resources to product development does not always make sense.

You can see this same pattern in normie industrial R&D - dhandhos shy away from pouring money into developing tech because the domestic market for the truly cutting edge stuffs is not that big.



There still won't be a major deal with Airbus. Even if they bribe all the UN genrols and import bahadurs.
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This argument would make sense but the Govt readily has money available for ( small scale ) imports but is a chindi while funding domestic projects which can help in building up numbers and result in big savings also.

In absolute terms however they are chindi, I agree, else we would have got 114 Rafales instead of the current 36 as many UN Marshols wanted.

Anyway in the current context, only way to make up numbers is to go Atmanirbhar, it is cheaper and seems to clear the bureaucratic hurdles easily atleast in terms of Navy.

There are massive savings to be had in the long term with going domestic, and more quantity and control over whatever we produce.
Otherwise you get 36 gold-plated imported jets vs 97 domestic jets, and/or you have to do mujra infront of the OEM and also pay jaziya to integrate Bri'ish missiles with Russian heavy fighter jet.

Navy warships this way have got immense savings considering worldwide warship orders are customized, you can be sure the foreign OEM/designer/builder would ask a pretty penny to add different missiles, radar or sonar like we've seen with Naval Group asking 700cr to integrate the domestic heavy torpedo with the Scorpene submarines, same goes for fighter jet merchants asking kidney for those ((( india specific enhancements ))), you can be sure Uncle Sam will also extract his pound of flesh for the better engine and 30mm turret on Stryker.
 
shade2 said:
This argument would make sense but the Govt readily has money available for ( small scale ) imports but is a chindi while funding domestic projects which can help in building up numbers and result in big savings also.
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Making piecemeal imports costs little (on absolute US$ terms, our military imports are not that high anymore - nothing out of the ordinary for a $ 4 trillion economy), keeps the armed forces in the game - although only barely (ref to IAF's dwindling fighter jet nos) and does not require the long term investment commitment and patience from the exchequer. Also, some of this is just cultural inertia like I mentioned - today's import bahadurs grew up in this climate and they want this 'culture' to continue.

shade2 said:
In absolute terms however they are chindi, I agree, else we would have got 114 Rafales instead of the current 36 as many UN Marshols wanted.

Anyway in the current context, only way to make up numbers is to go Atmanirbhar, it is cheaper and seems to clear the bureaucratic hurdles easily atleast in terms of Navy.
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Of course, it is cheaper long term (and economically super productive given the endless possibilities of spinoff tech and resultant industrial capabilities) but requires big upfront investments and execution capabilities. Gormint does not have the capacity to stretch their millitary and/or R&D budgets significantly - possibly some adjustments can be made but some portion of the carefully crafted fiscal space would be gone (something this gormint went to the extremes to nurture - even at the cost of a reduced majority at the LS).

shade2 said:
There are massive savings to be had in the long term with going domestic, and more quantity and control over whatever we produce.
Otherwise you get 36 gold-plated imported jets vs 97 domestic jets, and/or you have to do mujra infront of the OEM and also pay jaziya to integrate Bri'ish missiles with Russian heavy fighter jet.

Navy warships this way have got immense savings considering worldwide warship orders are customized, you can be sure the foreign OEM/designer/builder would ask a pretty penny to add different missiles, radar or sonar like we've seen with Naval Group asking 700cr to integrate the domestic heavy torpedo with the Scorpene submarines, same goes for fighter jet merchants asking kidney for those ((( india specific enhancements ))), you can be sure Uncle Sam will also extract his pound of flesh for the better engine and 30mm turret on Stryker.
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