Indian Small Arms and Weapons

[ezsasa]

We procured only 16k, in that too there is a divide in NG7&NG5 and iam not seeing any more purchases of LMG I think INSAS LMG is going to have a long run here

that 16k order in 2020 are all NG7.

 

[Anants]

Machine guns rely more on a cone of fire than on accurate aiming for long distance but it's necessary to ensure stability.
While shoulder firing heavy machineguns you can't create that much stability, you can effectively engage upto a few hundered meters beyond which you will.just be laying suppression.
That's why modern squad level automatic weapons are kept in smaller calliper as they are easier to handle and can also be used effectively from the shoulder like insas lmg , m249 , rpk etc .
USMC has shifted from its M249 to M27 as according their new doctrine they focus more on accurate fire than the volume of fire .

For heavy lmgs like pkm you can do pretty well upto a limited distance like spestnaz does while shoulder firing. But that's something that needs very heavy training .

As for sigs again with proper training and a careful selection of ammunition and some modification they can also be run pretty well .
As for full auto there's grim chance that they will ever actually need to go cyclic with their rifles

Thanks for answer

 

[Baseplate]

View: https://x.com/MeghUpdates/status/1845744679351963731



Tan Glock 17 in service with UP police .

 

[Mr.Evil]

View: https://t.me/goreunit/6877

Spoiler: Credits

View: https://x.com/force82323/status/1845774916353970572

 

[samsaptaka]

Don’t really mind it tbh if they can pull similar quality as of sig I say that’s a win win situation

Yeah , beg borrow steal , just somehow establish a small arms local manufacturing base with no dependency on foriegn countries, but ensure quality. At this point I don't care about what % is indigenous design etc....what matters is as less dependency on foriegn components and quality and forcing IA to buy massively from local arms makers like SSS, ASTR etc...

 

[Baseplate]

Yeah , beg borrow steal , just somehow establish a small arms local manufacturing base with no dependency on foriegn countries, but ensure quality. At this point I don't care about what % is indigenous design etc....what matters is as less dependency on foriegn components and quality and forcing IA to buy massively from local arms makers like SSS, ASTR etc...

U know it's not that hard (at leat making a standard AR/AK pattern rifle is not )... investment is huge but only if we had reassurance of orders or a good civil market I am pretty sure many pvt players will be more than happy to enter thus sector put money .

One more pain in the ass is testing Facilities and regulations.

 

[Mr.Evil]

CARL GUSTAF MK3

Spoiler: This Guy Just doesn’t Miss!!

View: https://x.com/force82323/status/1846089628723404979

 

[Mr.Evil]

AK-203 with Holographic Sight and BI-PODS

 

[Ayan Barat]

A masterclass in IDDM

> Initially a firm by the name Counter Measures Technology came up with an agreement to locally sell and allegedly make CZ gun here in India. They all delivered a few in some state police contracts.

> Now another firm by the name Vinveli is importing these same gun from CZ and selling them. Apparently this specific contract was won by them.

> Incidentally both the firms list the same gun on their websites

CMT-CZ Scorpion EVO 3 A1 | CMT

Lightweight automatic fiream uses a patented system of sliding bearing massive dynamic breech on the detachable trigger housing. The main advantages of the CMT CZ SCORPION EVO 3 A1 submachine gun include sophisticated ergonomics, high accuracy in all shooting modes and absolute reliability...

www.cmtpl.com

CZ SCORPION EVO 3 A1 - VINVELI India

Developed in close collaboration with elite professionals to address the needs of today’s armed forces. Its original and exceptionally simple construction is based on a patented blowback design of the bolt. Extremely durable fiberglass-reinforced polymers, together with other hi-tech materials...

vinveli.in

> The price quoted here is ₹78,000 per gun. On CZ's official store the price quoted is $489

Buy CZ Scorpion EVO 3 A1 For Sale | CZ USA Firearms Store

The CZ Scorpion EVO 3 A1 is a compact submachine gun in 9mm Luger. With a blowback-operated action, the Scorpion can empty its magazine in a hair over 1 1/2

czusafirearmstore.com

Usually the price quoted in civilian market is much higher than that in government tender; you can easily look this up by going through the price at which 716i is offered on SIG Sauer's website and the price at which we got it. But for the sake of keeping things cite-able I'll go with civilian price.
$489 would be about ₹42,000

Adding Landing Charge of 1%, Basic Duty of 10%, IGST of 18% and Surcharge of 10% you get a total duty of about ₹18,000
Grand total of ₹60,000; the approximate price it should have been per gun if directly imported.

Today only we were discussing...

Sometimes the prices charged by local OEMs are absolutely bonkers compared to foreign ones.

That has less to do with overcharging citizens for profit, and more to do it with making it a nightmare for civilians to own even crap firearms for self defense.

PSA : Whatever I said can be utter BS, believe at your own risk

 

[Mr.Evil]

Spoiler: Sauce

View: https://x.com/force82323/status/1848237044654285249

 

[VictorDelta4]

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Spoiler: Sauce

View: https://x.com/force82323/status/1848237044654285249

Sub Saharan Militia vibes!

 

[Mr.Evil]

View: https://t.me/OsintTV/32763

 

[Binayak95]

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Spoiler: Sauce

View: https://x.com/force82323/status/1848237044654285249

Look at the BREN bottom left.

 

[Ayan Barat]

View: https://x.com/jaywankhadejrw/status/1848972014331293711

 

[vampyrbladez]

View: https://x.com/jaywankhadejrw/status/1848972014331293711
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Probably for last ditch anti drone measures.

 

[Ayan Barat]

Probably for last ditch anti drone measures.

This is the only correct last ditch anti drone measures one should take with his Kalashnikov

Anything else is just taxpayer's money going down then drain

 

[Mr.Evil]

 

[KAB7777]

Surprised that this has been posted everywhere but the relevant threads. SSSD Executives Podcast.


View: https://youtu.be/jdl2TS7ynfI?si=Ky-kcMGIxtgVi8Pk

 

[ezsasa]

Surprised that this has been posted everywhere but the relevant threads. SSSD Executives Podcast.


View: https://youtu.be/jdl2TS7ynfI?si=Ky-kcMGIxtgVi8Pk

this concept of family of small arms designed from ground up for domestic needs, which vivek has repeated in a few interviews by now. is there any domestically written academic/concept paper on this?

 

[Ayan Barat]

this concept of family of small arms designed from ground up for domestic needs, which vivek has repeated in a few interviews by now. is there any domestically written academic/concept paper on this?

Is there someone who will be bothered to write an academic paper on small arms in India?

SSS Defence started their journey with showcasing MDT Technology's rifles as their own, then the AK based P-72 and finally the M4 as M-72. ASTR guy came into limelight because of that SCAR ripoff and then came the SIG Sauer P320 in the form of Atal. And despite literally copying these are the "respected" people in my view as everyone else is just doing straight ScrewdriverGiri; from Jindal to PLR to Reliance to what not. How could you even think that someone would come up with a concept of any groundbreaking weapon here in India?

In past half a decade or so I've come across just one guy, JUST ONE who's doing something that really deserves to be called research or innovation.