Indian Small Arms and Weapons

Delta Squad said:
Yes, the FAB mods are pitched by Star Aerospace, maybe demonstration to the army
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Maybe but the caption by jay bhaiya points towards it being a unit purchase you could be right but I think we did buy some in small numbers
 
Delta Squad said:
Yes, the FAB mods are pitched by Star Aerospace, maybe demonstration to the army
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FAB is one of the first mods Army adapted for Draganov followed by SSSD most are unit purchased so hard to give numbers on how many have been upgraded
 
Hari Sud said:
A curious question…..

Three years back, it was in the news that Indian Army is upgrading its Draganov DMR rifles with a kit supplied by the SSS Defence of Bangalore. The subject disappeared from discussions after that news item

Does any of the reader has any idea whether this project has been completed.

Draganov is AK-47 type long barrel 7.62X54 rifle with 400 to 800 meter range. It is considered reliable and accurate. The upgrade will make it more lethal. If I remember correctly that 6000 to 7000 rifles need to be upgraded. That is a time consuming job. In 3/4 years, I would assume this task is completed.
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The proposed upgrades won't increase the rifle's accuracy. The furniture upgrade will allow for flexible handling and provide greater adjustment to the shooter. Chief among these upgrades are a solid pic rail capable of holding zero. New chrome lined barrel with more lifespan. The rifle won't start shooting better, but it'll be easier to operate. High performance 7.62 rimmed is good for 730-750 meters, after that it won't hold 2 MOA. The ammo we use can still punch through level 4 ballistic plates at 600 meters. And it's slightly better than the green tip ammo Russians themselves use.
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Corvus Splendens said:
The proposed upgrades won't increase the rifle's accuracy. The furniture upgrade will allow for flexible handling and provide greater adjustment to the shooter. Chief among these upgrades are a solid pic rail capable of holding zero. New chrome lined barrel with more lifespan. The rifle won't start shooting better, but it'll be easier to operate. High performance 7.62 rimmed is good for 730-750 meters, after that it won't hold 2 MOA. The ammo we use can still punch through level 4 ballistic plates at 600 meters. And it's slightly better than the green tip ammo Russians themselves use.
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Thank you for the info……. The whole purpose of this rifle to increase squad range to 800 meters. A better tele and thermal scope will definitely add to the accuracy.
 

India becomes exporter of sniper rifles, Bengaluru firm bags mega contract from friendly nation​


SSS Defence not only bags contract to supply .338 Lapua Magnum calibre sniper rifle, but also deals to deliver nearly USD 50 million worth of ammunition to multiple friendly countries.​

SNEHESH ALEX PHILIP
09 July, 2024 09:40 am IST

https://www.linkedin.com/shareArtic...+firm+bags+mega+contract+from+friendly+nation
The 338 Saber Sniper Rifle can hit targets up to 1,500 m and beyond | Pic credit: SSS Defence
The 338 Saber Sniper Rifle can hit targets up to 1,500 m and beyond

New Delhi: Bengaluru-based small-arms manufacturer SSS Defence has bagged and fulfilled a mega export contract from a friendly foreign country for the supply of .338 Lapua Magnum calibre sniper rifle, ThePrint has learnt.

This is the first time when India has exported sniper files to a foreign country, sources in the defence establishment told ThePrint.

The sniper rifle is completely designed and made in India, including its barrel.
Interestingly, not only the sniper rifles, the private firm has bagged contracts for the supply of nearly USD 50 million worth of ammunition from multiple friendly countries.


The defence sources said that while private companies are also looking for clients on their own, the Indian government is hand holding them through faster clearances and also channelling foreign requests to them.

India’s annual defence production has hit a record high of approximately Rs 1.27 lakh crore in 2023-24, with the Make in India programme crossing new milestones.

“India is now manufacturing and exporting a large number of equipment, from artillery guns to missile systems and small arms. India was till now an importer of these systems, but now we have started exporting them,” one of the sources said.

The sources said that SSS Defence has already completed the export of the sniper rifles, which are intended for targets up to 1,500 metres and beyond, and are in talks with a few other nations as well.


Delegations from these countries have visited the company’s manufacturing and testing centre in Bengaluru and are in talks, they added.

This rifle has high export potential because at least 30 countries use the .338 Lapua Magnum sniper and over a dozen manufacturers produce rifles, in multiple configurations, in this calibre.

While the country has started exporting sniper rifles, the Indian Army has been in search of one for the last several years. In 2019, the Army’s Northern Command bought a limited number of .50 Calibre M95 by Barrett and the .338 Lapua Magnum Scorpio TGT by Beretta.

However, the larger order for 4,500 sniper rifles is still pending with the trials not even started though bids were called in by the Army over a year and half ago. The sources said that the ongoing Russia-Ukraine war has hit the supply chain for many countries and that India is trying to fill in the vacuum.

https://theprint.in/defence/india-b...s-mega-contract-from-friendly-nation/2166312/
 
To those new to firearms, there are some counter intuitive realities you must learn, which are different from pop culture myths about famous rifles. After knowing the basic, you will realize why exactly the IA chose the direct impingement version of the Sig and how good the decision was.

The first thing to unlearn is that the M4 i.e AR 15 platform is "not reliable", or that AK 47 is "the most reliable rifle in the world".


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAneTFiz5WU&ab_channel=InRangeTV


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX73uXs3xGU&ab_channel=InRangeTV


As you can see here, the AR 15 platform is quite reliable and shows better results in mud tests than the AK. This is contrary to the stereotypes that "you can do anything to an AK it will keep firing" which our internet experts and even some IA officers throw about. On the other end "M4's are delicate, they're not reliable, only for special ops etc" must also be unlearnt.

To witness an even more counter intuitive example, here's the German G 36 performing better than the AK in the mud test. The G36 like the AR 15 has a closed system which normally doesn't allow mud to get in. It also uses gas piston like the AK and most other rifles. Most of the controversy about the G36 has also been proven false recently. But that's another topic.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2dU-AH0aQA&ab_channel=InRangeTV


The reality is that the AR 15 platform, which M4 is part of, is one of the most reliable systems in the world due to its internal design. The primary contributing factors is its dust cover and closed system, which prevents mud and other debris coming into its system in the first place. And when they do get into the internal system, that's when its direct impingement system plays a role by sending gas back into the chamber and blowing out any mud and dust. The direct impingement system on the AR platform also has the advantage of giving less recoil and lower weight, especially relevant for the Sig 716i, since it uses a large calibre.

To understand why the M16 and M4 falsely got their reputations as unreliable, watch the video below. Basically American public ordinance babus in the 60s intentionally gave faulty ammunition and didn't give cleaning kits to make the M16 look bad because they wanted to produce their old M14.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYar4Zf8jH8&ab_channel=SmallArmsSolutions


The AK series are also very reliable in its own right, but does not deserve the endless praise it gets in pop culture and casual analysis on the internet. They're rifles like any other and get jammed like any other, in some cases more than western rifles. They use the same gas piston mechanism that most other rifles do, so they're not doing anything unique.

To understand the difference between direct impingement and gas piston, watch the videos below of the different mechanisms of the AR vs AK platforms. Gas piston was thought of as more reliable, but there is serious doubt on that claim now considering how reliable direct impingement is. Gas piston also increases recoil, due to a solid metal bar violently pushing the bolt back, compared to gas piston which only has gas coming back.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omv85cLfmxU&ab_channel=MattRittman



View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eQLFVpOYm4&ab_channel=MattRittman


Finally, people don't realize that the quality of the magazine plays as much of a role in the reliability of a rifle as the rifle itself. The magazine is the component that feeds rounds into the rifle, and hence must function flawlessly in its spring system.

The IA made a very smart choice by going for the direct impingement option for its Sig rifles and choosing an AR platform to begin with. Now, why the INSAS has been such an unreliable rifle is a another discussion, and mostly to do with quality control in sarkari babu OFB. But with this post I want to give people the basics of modern service rifles and break common myths.
 
Mr.Evil said:
Never said it but ok
(Sure shot and zenitco makes best ak furniture)
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Will never have them here. FAB (their distributor) has a deep reach within the MoD, others have to always match FAB's specifications to qualify technical requirements.
 
Mr.Evil said:
i don’t think there will be any more orders for it,matter fact it will be stupid if they gave more orders of the sig 716i as the IRRPL has already delivered 37k ak 203 rifles and is producing with decent pace they will standardise ak 203 now
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If anything the A203 is stupid, we are quite literally paying double for the Ak203 over the SIG716.
And the second lot has already started coming in iirc.

The second lot of 73000 SIGs amounts to 1.15 lakh per rifle.
We spent 5124 crores on the AK203 project for 6.1 lakh rifles. Had we spent that much money on SIGs, we could have had SIG setup a factory here, manufacture not just the 716s, but the MCX and the MPX for our carbine and state police forces, AND have had a optics factory as well.
 
Binayak95 said:
If anything the A203 is stupid, we are quite literally paying double for the Ak203 over the SIG716.
And the second lot has already started coming in iirc.

The second lot of 73000 SIGs amounts to 1.15 lakh per rifle.
We spent 5124 crores on the AK203 project for 6.1 lakh rifles. Had we spent that much money on SIGs, we could have had SIG setup a factory here, manufacture not just the 716s, but the MCX and the MPX for our carbine and state police forces, AND have had a optics factory as well.
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The second lot of 73000 SIGs is coming or not. Is this second order of Sig 716i is officially cleared or not. I dont know any such Information regards this.
 
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