Hey
@randombully
Something similar was your attitude while we're discussing the LR-AShM.
Given how pointlessly stubborn you were and was always going on a completely different tangent in each post it would have been best to just ignore everything and leave you in your paradise. Not to mention I've already told everything one need to know. But still I'm going through all the pains of explaining one more time so that someone might not come saying I'm derisive
Before I start this, let's understand few basic things.
* First thing first,
"we" don't use bs terms like "moderate fire rate, moderate range and higher accuracy" or "high firerate small firearm". If someone is using these as a parameter then it's the first sign of them being absolutely novice in firearms...just like our media,
"yeh bandook ek minute me 600 goliyan dagti hai"
Have you ever heard a phone company highlighting that their smartphone has camera? Or a car company saying that it stops as soon as you press the brakes? No, right? Similarly something are just understood and never told like rate of fire is never discussed in any automatic weapon as it's a rule of thumb that it'd hover in the ballpark of 600rpm. It's only mentioned when you achieve something extraordinary like a 1,200rpm. Similarly "higher accuracy" is never mentioned because the consensus is that if it's anything other than a sniper rifle then it would be just "accurate enough" or in technical terms would be around 2.5MoA and if sniper then sub-MoA.
* Second, you can't just make up whatever category you like and call it a day. If life would have been so simple then everyone would have called them the best person born to "his father's name" in the month of "whatever it's". There are strict parameters based on things like operating system, form factor or use. A machine pistol can never be compared to a SMG saying both fire a pistol round and have automatic mode.
Or in our case, the category is "Simple blowback operated sub-gun, feeding from pistol grip"
* If someone is comparing it with MPX then they're just making a fool of themselves as MPX belongs neither in those categories. Have atleast one common "macro" category before comparing like MPX Vs MP-5 as both are mag-well feeding, full-sized sub-guns.
* Please don't come up with arguments like "even a stock" without spending even minutes in reading about things. MPA Defender has stock attachment points but what's more important is that you're completely unaware with how things work in USA. You can't put a stock in these kind of sub-guns as that would change its legislation from a "pistol" to a "SBR or short barreled rifle" which for the customer would mean an extra tax "stamp" of $200.
So in short, if ASMI is ever exported to USA then I'd too be sold without a stock to avoid SBR tax
* Do you know what's the biggest or the first parameter someone looks while buying any weapon, from a pistol to an aircraft carrier? The cost Vs Value.
Followed by all the bells and whistles
So after all this prerequisite which I'm pretty sure you've not read or even after reading don't give much of a heck let's compare ASMI to a similar "pistol grip feeding, simple blowback sub-gun"
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Defender : 1.5kg, 5", MRP of $399
ASMI : 2kg, 7", atleast $600 (atleast because it's local price, if imported to USA then all the duties and taxes would make it even more) [Given you're the RandomBully, you're response to this whole message would be just quoting this $600 part and contradicting it. So let's make this too clear; the price comes from IA order of 550 ASMI for INR 4.26Cr...backward calculate it and you'd end of with $914. But given how military contracts carry multiple magazine and life-cycle maintenance cost and might include sights and suppressors...I'm reducing the gun's price to a very conservative $600]
Why exactly would a US civilian be shilling $200 more for a cruder gun and that too from a firm he's never heard of not to mention from a country that's infamous among US civilian firearms market for its history of horrendous firearms?
Another hecking long ahh post
First of all stop comparing ASMI with MPA defender,This just makes you sound stupid.
MPA defender has a barrel length of 4.5-5( standard 4.5) inch.
ASMI has barrel length of 7.2 inches(37.5%more than MPA defender) in the poster you posted.
Good luck with even reaching even 50-60meter of decent accuracy with MPA defender even if you put stock on it and make it an SBR according to US laws.
You can have decent accuracy till 100 m( moderate rannge i meant)with asmi with a stock on it, according to public info provided.
Guess which other 9mm firearms give you similar accuracy till 100m oh yeah it's mpx, taurus T9.
"Something similar was your attitude while we're discussing the LR-AShM."
Speaking of LR-ASHM your smart ass turned out to be wrong on it ultimately when you said it's just a "quasi ballistic" missile, turned out it's lot more manurable and unpredictable then a quasi-ballistic missile, so much so that the drdo person giving the speech compared it's trajectory and behaviour to a cruise missile not a quasi ballistic missile.
"But still I'm going through all the pains of explaining one more time so that someone might not come saying I'm derisive"
Gonna be devil's advocate here, you are derisive.
"First thing first, "we" don't use bs terms like "moderate fire rate, moderate range and higher accuracy" or "high firerate small firearm"
I do though, will continue doing so.
Also mpa defender has fire rate of 1000-1200rpm, so not in the same ballpark.
Have you ever heard a phone company highlighting that their smartphone has camera? Or a car company saying that it stops as soon as you press the brakes? No, right?
Phone companies do brag about how good their camera is, it's that mega pixel it's this mega pixel, it's that fire rate, it's this fire rate etc.
Braking distance is actually a test lot of car testers on youtube do.
View: https://youtu.be/kZ3WqTo9RmU?si=EZ5z5tuWXbRTekQ_
In this video, he is impressed that xuv 700 can break from 100km/h to 0 in 3.41sec. And under 50meters on a wet road.
"higher accuracy" is never mentioned because the consensus is that if it's anything other than a sniper rifle then it would be just "accurate enough" or in technical terms would be around 2.5MoA and if"
By higher accuracy I meant more accurate in long Range compared to mpa, and more accurate in full auto, beacuse u know uhm 600rpm vs 1000-1200rpm, 600 would be more controllable.
"There are strict parameters based on things like operating system, form factor or use"
Then why the fuck did you compare it MPA defender? If we talk about form factor and use then asmi was against taurus t9 which is a firearm in the same category as mpx, and army consider both suitable for their requirement, you know what this means? They can have similar "use", atleast that's what army believed.
Or in our case, the category is "Simple blowback operated sub-gun, feeding from pistol grip.
Why don't you set up category based on use and ability instead of mechanism and shape?
Asmi has similar fire rate, can be accurate upto 100meters just like mpx and taurus t9, similar weight.
It's like saying you can't compare an ak with an ar 15 because both have different mechanisms, but both are "assault rifle" used in same role by different armies.
"If someone is comparing it with MPX then they're just making a fool of themselves as MPX belongs neither in those categories. Have atleast one common "macro" category before comparing like MPX Vs MP-5 as both are mag-well feeding, full-sized sub-guns".
Oh niayo niayo niyao.
As Already said before.
Asmi has similar fire rate, can be accurate upto 100meters just like mpx(9mm) and taurus t9, similar weight(slightly lighter).
Can be used in similar role as mpx, mp5, taurus t9 etc, our army literally use it in the same role as them, with 550 asmi ordered.
By the way do you know what can't be used in a similar role as mpx, yup you guessed it, it's MPA defenderrrrrrrrrrrrr.
"Why exactly would a US civilian be shilling $200 more for a cruder gun.
He would be paying $400 more beacuse asmi is a sbr, a cheaper alternative to mpx(9mm) beacuse mpx cost about $1800.
And asmi's final varient is pretty refined.
and that too from a firm he's never heard of not to mention from a country that's infamous among US civilian firearms market for its history of horrendous firearms?"
It's not the gun's fault.
"Another hecking long ahh post
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Man you are dumb
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Stop fixating too much on mechanism, design and more on its abilities and roles.
As I already gave the example of ak and ar15, both are"assult rifles" used in same roles, both are comparable" both use different mechanisms and designs, I can also add bulpups to it.
