Indian Small Arms and Weapons

[BlackViking]

Nah. Let's say the package includes new polymer buttstock, pistol grip, P-MAGs, Top pic rail, Eotech Red dot and new bipods. This is easily $1000 or 82,000 INR. So not far off. And I haven't considered GST yet.

INSAS LMG tender was for the following
1. Picatinny Dust cover with original iron sight
2. Folding Butt
3. Pistol Grip
4. A dovetail rail adapter for older sights
5. Waterproof carry case

No sights, mag or bipods

Well I went through all the pains of actually doing the calculations...and yup, the price seems okay.

So there's no accessories for INSAS, but whatever fits an AK would more or less fit on an INSAS hence these are the offering from FAB Defence for AKs.

Stock $125
Grip $30
Grip-bipod $120
Top rail $250
Handguard $45
EOTech 512 $500
Mag $20 (if x4 per gun) $80
Total's $1,150 or 97,000 in rupees

Yes, you're absolutely right.
But now the question is where the hell is L1 bidding when you need it the most!?

Magpul Zhukov stock $110
Magpul AK grip $20
Strike Industries Bipod Grip $60 (side note; these are aluminium as opposed to FAB's polymer)
Dog Leg Top Rail $185 (Texas Weapon System is one of the OGs of AK dust cover top rails)
Magpul Handguard $40
Holosun 510c red dot $365
Magpul AK PMAG $16 (if x4 per gun) $64
Total's $844 or 71,000 in rupees

How do you convince someone to pay 25,000 more!?

Agar kabhi NCOR ki copy mile to dekhna. Every fricking specification is SAPL's. They are distributors for Fab, Eotech and some more foreign manufacturers.

Aajkal ye log eotech holos ke piche pade hue hain. Reticle: 2MoA dot and 68MoA circle with BDC
Brightness settings: 20 day 10 night.

Most manufacturers have standardised 2MoA dot and 65MoA circle. Also generally you will get 10-15 brightness settings. But if you take any other sight you are bound fail.

 

[Mr.Evil]

No sights, mag or bipods

As always we even cheaped out on the package SIG was offering with SIG 716i to make it L1

 

[username unkown]

INSAS LMG tender was for the following
1. Picatinny Dust cover with original iron sight
2. Folding Butt
3. Pistol Grip
4. A dovetail rail adapter for older sights
5. Waterproof carry case

No sights, mag or bipods

Agar kabhi NCOR ki copy mile to dekhna. Every fricking specification is SAPL's. They are distributors for Fab, Eotech and some more foreign manufacturers.

Aajkal ye log eotech holos ke piche pade hue hain. Reticle: 2MoA dot and 68MoA circle with BDC
Brightness settings: 20 day 10 night.

Most manufacturers have standardised 2MoA dot and 65MoA circle. Also generally you will get 10-15 brightness settings. But if you take any other sight you are bound fail.

Right now there are better choice than 700 dollars hws so many red dot under 500 dollars are much better red dot available
Meprolight tru vision red dot
Meprolight rds 2
Sig romeo 4xt pro
Aimpoint pro rds
Aimpoint duty rds
All of thease are under 500 dollars and thier performance is similar to EOTech and they have bigger battery life than EOTech
For comparison mepro tru vision have 10,000 hrs , EOTech have 1,000 hrs and sig 4xt pro have 50,000hrs

 

[username unkown]

Right now there are better choice than 700 dollars hws so many red dot under 500 dollars are much better red dot available
Meprolight tru vision red dot
Meprolight rds 2
Sig romeo 4xt pro
Aimpoint pro rds
Aimpoint duty rds
All of thease are under 500 dollars and thier performance is similar to EOTech and they have bigger battery life than EOTech
For comparison mepro tru vision have 10,000 hrs , EOTech have 1,000 hrs and sig 4xt pro have 50,000hrs

Generally EOTech performance is better than other red dot in night vision EOTech is king but its battery life is shit
In comparison other good rds give good performance and decent night vision with alot more battery life makes rds better choice
Meprolight us used by idf and idf sf
Sig romeo 4xt pro is used by sf around the world it is same rds used by lone sf in nairobi
Reliable and proven track record of aimpoint don't need any introduction
Alot of aimpoint give 80, 000 of battery life which is close to 8 years while EOTech can't even give more than 2500hrs

 

[username unkown]

Aimpoint comp m 4 in service with para sf this rds have 80,000 battery life

 

[Ayan Barat]

Now we're comparing a collimator sight and a holographic sight!? Bruh...

Just because you can see a "red dot" in both of them doesn't mean they're similiar. A simple red dot is very different from a red dot with BDC, rangefinder and close range crosshairs.

And battery life of AimPoint is better than EOTech!?
Now someone please compare the energy requirement of the laser diode in EOTech and a teeny-tiny LED in AimPoint

 

[username unkown]

I know the difference btw them but I won't be chosing a 700 dollars hws who only have battery life of 1000 hours
For all purposes sig 4xt pro and mepro vision tru dot comes out winner both are under 500 dollars and have excellent performance
Performance and EOTech might be good after all its holographic sight but current rds on market matches its performance and gives more battery life than EOTech couldn't imagine and that in only 500 dollars

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/tacticalgear/comments/13b2qya/romeo_4t_vs_romeo_4xtpro_vs_eotech_exps3/

 

[username unkown]

I know the difference btw them but I won't be chosing a 700 dollars hws who only have battery life of 1000 hours
For all purposes sig 4xt pro and mepro vision tru dot comes out winner both are under 500 dollars and have excellent performance
Performance and EOTech might be good after all its holographic sight but current rds on market matches its performance and gives more battery life than EOTech couldn't imagine and that in only 500 dollars

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/tacticalgear/comments/13b2qya/romeo_4t_vs_romeo_4xtpro_vs_eotech_exps3/

Sig 4xt pro under nveotech exp3 under nv

 

[Noob]

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1831970089907941662?t=GzVLOX3lBwXQyUuzpMyV3g&s=19


SSSD lands something finally it's not much but it's honest work

 

[Noob]

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1832009558010577324?t=IYkcy3Nuao5jOQe8NJbTmg&s=19

 

[Noob]

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1831970089907941662?t=GzVLOX3lBwXQyUuzpMyV3g&s=19


SSSD lands something finally it's not much but it's honest work

CERAKOTE by SSS Defence for ARDE - alphadefense.in

DRDO's ARDE partners with SSS Defence to develop CERAKOTE coating technology for small arms. This collaboration enhances firearm durability, corrosion resistance, and performance, with plans to expand the coating’s use to larger systems.

alphadefense.in

Here is the whole article

 

[VictorDelta4]

@Noob @Mr.Evil What the Baby TAR/TAR-3 could have been in .300 Blk

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jugLRd-u9g&ab_channel=PalmettoStateArmory

 

[Mr.Evil]

@Noob @Mr.Evil What the Baby TAR/TAR-3 could have been in .300 Blk

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jugLRd-u9g&ab_channel=PalmettoStateArmory

Baby TAR/TAR3 in .300BLK would be perfect for CQB,it’s is good for close range stuff but has more punch than 5.56 throw a good suppressor on it and it will work like a charm.

 

[Noob]

@Noob @Mr.Evil What the Baby TAR/TAR-3 could have been in .300 Blk

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jugLRd-u9g&ab_channel=PalmettoStateArmory

Been advocating for.300bkl for year's now would have been good for us but don't think we ever even have it a run.

 

[Ayan Barat]

Just woke up and you people are confusing the heck out of me. You'll should start your day with some Doha or something. Here's one

Kasturi kundal base, mrig dhoondhat ban maahi |
Jyun ghat ghat Raam hain, duniya dekhe naahi | |

@Noob @Mr.Evil What the Baby TAR/TAR-3 could have been in .300 Blk

Arrree why do you need Baby TAR in .300BLK!?

What benefits a .300BLK is going to bring on the table that we can't have with 7.62x39mm!?

Baby TAR/TAR3 in .300BLK would be perfect for CQB,it’s is good for close range stuff but has more punch than 5.56 throw a good suppressor on it and it will work like a charm.

Arrree Prabhu how's Baby TAR/TAR3 currently in 7.62x39mm is not perfect for CQB, it's a good close range stuff but has more punch than 5.56 throw a good suppressor on it and it can work like a charm!?

.300BLK supersonic - 7g @ 720m/s resulting in a muzzle energy of 1,800J
Now compare that to 7.62x39mm supersonic - 7.9g @ 730m/s resulting in a muzzle energy of 2,100J

You're already getting 300J more energy in current caliber but still want the other. Maybe it's for subsonic rounds because you said suppressor. Let's compare it too

.300BLK subsonic - 14g @ 310m/s resulting in a muzzle energy of 675J
Now compare that to 7.62x39mm subsonic - 14g @ 320m/s resulting in a muzzle energy of 740J

Here too 7.62x39mm is clear winner

Been advocating for.300bkl for year's now would have been good for us but don't think we ever even have it a run.

And that's why you're Noob
Why was .300BLK developed in the first place! Any guess!? To replicate the performance of an AK chambered in 7.62x39mm from an AR-15 chambered in 5.56x45mm without changing the bolt.

But now you want to change the bolts of existing AKs in 7.62x39mm to 5.56x45mm, then use .300BLK to get the performance of 7.62x39!?

C'mon, just because Murican GunTubers are doing something doesn't mean everyone should join the bandwagon.
Everyone was following this trend of having a PDW chambered in rifle like, but smaller cartridge...so we also blindly followed them. Then suddenly everyone ditched the whole idea altogether and we're stuck with 5.56x30mm.

 

[Mr.Evil]

Arrree Prabhu how's Baby TAR/TAR3 currently in 7.62x39mm is not perfect for CQB, it's a good close range stuff but has more punch than 5.56 throw a good suppressor on it and it can work like a charm!?

.300BLK supersonic - 7g @ 720m/s resulting in a muzzle energy of 1,800J
Now compare that to 7.62x39mm supersonic - 7.9g @ 730m/s resulting in a muzzle energy of 2,100J

You're already getting 300J more energy in current caliber but still want the other. Maybe it's for subsonic rounds because you said suppressor. Let's compare it too

.300BLK subsonic - 14g @ 310m/s resulting in a muzzle energy of 675J
Now compare that to 7.62x39mm subsonic - 14g @ 320m/s resulting in a muzzle energy of 740J

Here too 7.62x39mm is clear winner

Areee bhai ofc 7.62x39 hits harder it not about punch
7.62x39 has more energy but .300blk runs way quieter and smoother with a suppressor+you can switch between subsonic and supersonic whenever you need giving you more options.In CQB you want balance between power,recoil as well as staying quite and stealthy

 

[Ayan Barat]

7.62x39mm supersonic - 7.9g @ 730m/s resulting in a muzzle energy of 2,100J

7.62x39mm subsonic - 14g @ 320m/s resulting in a muzzle energy of 740J

Clearly mentioned subsonic and supersonic ammo option for 7.62x39mm.
But you still needed to write this

you can switch between subsonic and supersonic whenever you need giving you more options

And as for this...

but .300blk runs way quieter and smoother with a suppressor

...the heaviest .300BLK load is 220gr. And for 7.62x39mm it's 255gr.
Tell me how a heavier bullet won't be quieter?

 

[Mr.Evil]

Clearly mentioned subsonic and supersonic ammo option for 7.62x39mm.
But you still needed to write this

And as for this...

...the heaviest .300BLK load is 220gr. And for 7.62x39mm it's 255gr.
Tell me how a heavier bullet won't be quieter?

Bhai .300 BLK is designed specifically to excel in suppressed setups its optimized for quieter performance with a suppressor due to its lower-pressure design even with lighter bullets
For the bullet weight 7.62x39mm can handle heavier bullets it doesn’t always mean quieter,overall design of .300blk helps it to be quieter even after being the lighter round.
Quieter operations of .300blk is because of its design and how it is tuned for suppressors not JUST the bullet weight alone.

 

[Ayan Barat]

Bhai .300 BLK is designed specifically to excel in suppressed setups its optimized for quieter performance with a suppressor due to its lower-pressure design even with lighter bullets
For the bullet weight 7.62x39mm can handle heavier bullets it doesn’t always mean quieter,overall design of .300blk helps it to be quieter even after being the lighter round.
Quieter operations of .300blk is because of its design and how it is tuned for suppressors not JUST the bullet weight alone.

Max specified SAAMI pressure for 7.62x39mm is 310MPa
The same for your "lower-pressure" .300BLK is 380MPa.

Bring technical points like bullet weight, velocity, BC, SD to back your argument of 300BLK being better than 7.62x39mm. Don't use vague terms like "optimised for quieter performance"

And don't go so much by American advertisements; .300BLK will always be 2010 copy of 1940's 7.62x39mm.

 

[Noob]

And that's why you're Noob

Never claimed to be anyone else genius ..