Indian Small Arms and Weapons

[KAB7777]

Ergonomics is not ARDE's forte TBH...
Call me an arm chair general or keyboard warrior, but it's a fact.

This is where the Private Sector needs to step in, ARDE needs to give some amount of leeway to their DCPPs to make cosmetic and ergonomic changes to the firearms they've been given licenses to manufacture/co-develop from the initial stages itself and not later offered as an extra feature or upgraded variant.

 

[ArjunMK1A]

It's my usual yapping time.

I always saw the grips on DRDO/OFB rifles and thought that there's no way they would be comfortable, especially the grips on things like MCIWS or this new Ugram.
Everyone in gun world seems to move to a steeper grip angle to better support a relaxed shooting position with some grips even going as steep as 15° but generally the current industry standard is 20°. Now compare that to Ugram where it's almost double at 38°.
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This may seem a very trivial thing to crib about but sadly, it's not.
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When we change the angle of our wrist (ulnar deviation in technical terms) we put our wrist in a position of mechanical disadvantage so the same force of 10kg without deflection can feel like 12kg with it. Moreover, it's not a relaxed position as it puts a lot of strain on small wrist muscles resulting in considerable discomfort or even pain if used for a prolonged period. So, the closer it's to 180° the better it would be.

For the first time, I saw someone shouldering Ugram in that video of Sandeep, and it was evident.
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Now compare this to a contemporary of this era like HK433
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Yup the wrist position is screwed up. Will create wrist pain with prolonged usage. Also ARDE somehow incapable of making the rivet flush type. It always looks crude. Finally they should remove that idiotic sling ring attached on the barrel. Every XYZ modern guns don't have this and barrel is pretty much undisturbed.

 

[KAB7777]

Yup the wrist position is screwed up. Will create wrist pain with prolonged usage. Also ARDE somehow incapable of making the rivet flush type. It always looks crude. Finally they should remove that idiotic sling ring attached on the barrel. Every XYZ modern guns don't have this and barrel is pretty much undisturbed.

I believe the only reason they still have those idiotic sling mounts, is the Indian Army's refusal to adopt modern Quick-Detach Slings. Which then leads to them utilising jugaad methods to attach slings like we've seen on the Sig-716. Not arguing with your point on the position of where the mounting point is attached.

 

[Mr.Evil]

INDIAN ARMY’S
LEFT- SAKO TRG 42
RIGHT-SIG 716i
(Correct me if iam wrong)

 

[VictorDelta4]

 

[Mr.Evil]

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What’s the configuration which NSG is acquiring if it’s available in public?

 

[Mr.Evil]

SSSDEFENCE-M72,P72& SABER SNIPER RIFLE’S

 

[Ayan Barat]

What’s the configuration which NSG is acquiring if it’s available in public?

There's only one configuration of CSR338. Moreover companies usually refrain from making a new variant just before a tender, let alone a tiny 30 piece one, as they don't get time to iron all the bugs.

They seem to have quoted quite a competitive price for the gun...$9,750.

This $9,750 obviously includes the rifle and usual accesories like sling, cleaning kit...together with 4x Magazines, Bipod, Monopod, Telescopic Sight, Uncooled Thermal Sight, Rangefinder, Weather Station and interestingly Zeroing Tools, Suppressor Cleaning Kit, Repair Kit, Chronograph.

Interestingly, because things like suppressor cleaning kit of chronograph are never issued per gun. These are more of an armourer level thing.

But who cares, end of day Caracal was able to provide all of these for less than $10k

 

[gokusan]

SSSDEFENCE-M72,P72& SABER SNIPER RIFLE’S
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Where they are showcasing their products

 

[IWIarad11]

There's only one configuration of CSR338. Moreover companies usually refrain from making a new variant just before a tender, let alone a tiny 30 piece one, as they don't get time to iron all the bugs.

They seem to have quoted quite a competitive price for the gun...$9,750.

This $9,750 obviously includes the rifle and usual accesories like sling, cleaning kit...together with 4x Magazines, Bipod, Monopod, Telescopic Sight, Uncooled Thermal Sight, Rangefinder, Weather Station and interestingly Zeroing Tools, Suppressor Cleaning Kit, Repair Kit, Chronograph.

Interestingly, because things like suppressor cleaning kit of chronograph are never issued per gun. These are more of an armourer level thing.

But who cares, end of day Caracal was able to provide all of these for less than $10k

All this in under 10 grand? I remember IWI Dan .338 being shown at 9000ish bucks with just the rifle, not even the steiner scope

 

[Baseplate]

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personally i don't really like this rifle , isn't the rail too skeletal

 

[VictorDelta4]

personally i don't really like this rifle , isn't the rail too skeletal

Summoning @Ayan Barat for clarification.

 

[KAB7777]

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A trusted source tells me there’s some issues that’s cropped with this RFP, more details will emerge in a few days.

 

[Ayan Barat]

Summoning @Ayan Barat for clarification.

At your service Sir

personally i don't really like this rifle , isn't the rail too skeletal

Yes, it is. And it's absolutely okay.

In case of a sniper rifle, especially one with an engagement range of 1,000m you don't really need that much of rail space. There's no point of mounting a flashlight, lasers would simply reveal your position, no need of a fore-grip, nor an angled grip. Heck you don't even need back-up iron sights.

The only thing that's ever going to get mounted on a long range sniper rifle are a scope, bipod and maybe a clip-on thermal imager. That's it.

Moreover this skeletonized handguard might even help in slightly better heat dissipation from the barrel.

 

[hollowdonuts13]

At your service Sir

Yes, it is. And it's absolutely okay.

In case of a sniper rifle, especially one with an engagement range of 1,000m you don't really need that much of rail space. There's no point of mounting a flashlight, lasers would simply reveal your position, no need of a fore-grip, nor an angled grip. Heck you don't even need back-up iron sights.

The only thing that's ever going to get mounted on a long range sniper rifle are a scope, bipod and maybe a clip-on thermal imager. That's it.

Moreover this skeletonized handguard might even help in slightly better heat dissipation from the barrel.

Are the sssd suppressors built just for their assault rifles?

 

[Ayan Barat]

All this in under 10 grand? I remember IWI Dan .338 being shown at 9000ish bucks with just the rifle, not even the steiner scope

Yup, I'm shocked too.
24599166/30=819972. @ 84 it would be $9,761

And this includes everything from rangefinder to chronograph to night shight. Even a good lower end SIG Sauer or NightForce scope can cost $2-2.5k.

Are the sssd suppressors built just for their assault rifles?

All guns and suppressors are made in some standard thread pitch like 1/2"-28 or M15-1.0, so everything is everything capable it they share the same threadings.

Moreover SSSD recently supplied a suppressor for Sako TRG42. So ya