Operation Sindoor & Aftermath (62 Viewers)

[snakeeyes07]

lmao.. caught red handed Mr. child of IA jawan.

Do you think I am an idiot to put my ID and PII on the internet here. You got to be mad. Let's wait for government to put out the details on losses, if this turns out to be MIG-29 then you apologize to me here and vice versa?

Not a IA jawan but an officer. If you had any idea about how IA works, you would know that based on my dad's service length and his family living in cantonments.

 

[Ajatshatru]

Do you know of an IAF single engine fighter which has RD-33 or this too is a PAF JF-17 block 1 or 2 shot down inside India (Ramban)?
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Прекратена е поръчката за двигатели за МиГ 29, министерството преминава към пряко договаряне

Министерството на отбраната преминава към пряко договаряне с участниците в процедурата за доставяне на двигателите.

www.novinite.bg

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The wreckage shown in the picture above is of a Pakistani JF-17. It reportedly crashed inside Indian territory, and there is a possibility that the pilot is currently in Indian custody. It’s unclear why the Indian government hasn’t made this public yet. However, the wreckage strongly resembles that of a JF-17 — just look at the engine blades.

 

[snakeeyes07]

don't talk future.. tell me the answer or wait for confirmation & stfu

I am just going to ignore you now, I don't want to engage with stupid. I will be back with you once the loss details are out.

 

[LastMythin]

Yes saar ofc,

Govt and forces are expecting some masti from the Pakis.



Muneera has promised them "apna time aayega" and swallow the L received from the Indians for "now"

Waise if Muneera sits on his ass and doesn't allow PAF to have "revenge", Failed Marshlol title be damned, his plane may one day crash like Zia ul Haq's did

An accident of course

tbh if ass-seemed muneer is planning to hold on too power indefinitely, no matter how much success he gains he will be "accidented" in time. His subordinates are not going to wait around forever for their turn on the throne

 

[Asmodeus]

With your attitude I am not holding my breath for apologies, that for sure.

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[Ajatshatru]

Guys saying a PAF JF-17 crashed in Ramban lack common sense .
PAF has explicitly said that it didn't lose any fighter. Why would it say that if a Paki jet had crashed inside Indian territory..
Also, IAF has exhibited bits and pieces of missiles and drones.. but no PAF aircraft show pieces..
Whatever PAF aircraft crashed, crashed inside Paki territory..

I think at least two Pakistani fighter jets — a JF-17 and a Mirage 5 — have crashed inside Indian territory. Analysis of the wreckage images by open-source intelligence sources appears to confirm this.

 

[Ajatshatru]

Pakistan Air Force wont deliberately enter Indian airspace, so a possible explanation for the wreckage of Pakistani jets inside India could be that they were flying too close to the border when they crashed, causing the debris to fall on the Indian side. Alternatively, their communication systems might have been jammed, and the pilots may not have realized they had crossed into Indian airspace.

 

[Asmodeus]

Pakistan Air Force wont deliberately enter Indian airspace, so a possible explanation for the wreckage of Pakistani jets inside India could be that they were flying too close to the border when they crashed, causing the debris to fall on the Indian side. Alternatively, their communication systems might have been jammed, and the pilots may not have realized they had crossed into Indian airspace.

if memory serves right, This video of debris was circulated on 10th may after chaddi banyan.. there was also video of pilot ejection at jnk or Pok not sure.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

Who is a total duffer or an idiot, I will let others decide. This isn't about having an engineering degree or a "ancillary resume", just need eyes to see and common sense (bit of critical thinking I guess).

First of all, nature of debris/wreckage field will be different for a crash (impact on ground, speed dependent) or a shoot down (both speed, hit altitude dependent along with the nature [explosive force, angle and fragmentation] and miss distance of missile). The aircraft could be breaking up with a SAM hit, HQ-9P/B carries a 180kg HE fragmentation warhead.

And even then these warheads don't destroy engines. As i said, duffer, use your brain. You are passing off a near intact engine at crash site as m-88. If so, where is the 2nd engine ? Show us a single eg of a plane crash where one or more engine went missing and all wreckage is on land. There are none in aviation history.

Goreunit is an Indian OSINT account.

View: https://x.com/Goreunit/status/1921448314110607360

You have based all your analysis and tirades based on a video which just focuses on a sole m88 engine and doesn't show the surrounding or how far is it from other wreckage spots.

It doesn't have to be far. Engines never fall apart from each other. The cental spine remains intact and both engines maintain relative position to one another in crash. So where is 2nd engine??

Impact dynamics and debris distribution in case of a shoot down is complex. You are oversimplifying that both engines should be visible next to each other otherwise not a 2 engine fighter.

Re your evidence:
With crashes
- MIG-29 engine crash, where is the second engine so no MIG-29 crashed?
https://bangladeshdefence.blogspot.com/2014/06/crashed-mig-29-fighter-aircraft-of.html
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- SU-30 MKI crash, if someone just made a video of the sole engine by the wall and shared that does that mean no SU-30 MKI crashed?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6toEWnU5pQView attachment 43827

With shoot downs:
- Russian SU-25 shoot down in Syria, where is the second engine or other wrekage nearby so no SU-25 crashed?
https://www.voanews.com/a/russian-jet-downed-over-idlib-syria/4237757.html
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- Ukraine MIG-29 shoot down, where is the second engine so no MIG-29 crashed?
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/russia-ukr...-ukraines-mig-29-fighter-jet-8-drones/2599109
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Also, F16 mid air collision with Cessna, part of the engine broke up and is located away from main wreckage spot:

NTSB releases first report on Cessna, F16 collision

The National Transportation Safety Board has released a preliminary report in connection to the collision of a Cessna C-150 and an F-16, killing a father and son.

www.wyff4.com

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If you ever worked in a Boeing plant, I pray that I never fly in an aircraft that you actually worked on.

Correct. All these are youtube clickbait nonsense. Coz there is no report available of an airline crash where an engine is missing from crash site. I asked you to show me a single ACCEPTED AND SETTLED air crash investigation where engines are missing. Ofc you are showing me russian claims that ukraine denies and vice versa but not a single settled investigation in history of aviation. Why ? Because engines never fall separate loy from each other. Ever.

What kind of an idiot posts Cessna vs f16 crash and says engines fell apart ? BOTH ARE SINGLE ENGINE PLANES and engines are not magnets who attach magically to other planes engines, idiot boy. Obviously Cessna vs f16 crash site will Habs individual engines from individual planes fall far apart. That's not same as two engines of a twin engine craft magically separating and falling apart.

 

[shade2]

tbh if ass-seemed muneer is planning to hold on too power indefinitely, no matter how much success he gains he will be "accidented" in time. His subordinates are not going to wait around forever for their turn on the throne

He won't hold on indefinitely, he can get a good retirement and run a Papa John's chain in NYC.

However if he stops the PAF from getting revenge you can be sure plane crash hoga, or maybe he will die of "natural causes".

 

[Asmodeus]

He won't hold on indefinitely, he can get a good retirement and run a Papa John's chain in NYC.

However if he stops the PAF from getting revenge you can be sure plane crash hoga, or maybe he will die of "natural causes".

Apparently, he has plans to hold out till 2035. With Recodec deal and all US investment will be coming till that time. ofc this is just guesswork!

 

[Asmodeus]

And even then these warheads don't destroy engines. As i said, duffer, use your brain.

leave him be.. I asked him where he is from and this was his answer..

Care to explain where you are from??

Do you think I am an idiot to put my ID and PII on the internet here.

 

[MasterChief]

Where did Pakistanis said it??!! They never said they didn't loose any fighter. Thats why they are focusing on Indian Rafales.

Air vice Marshal Aurangzeb claims 6-0 claim in favor of PAF.
TELL ME one good reason why the f**k Indian military not display wreckage of PAF aircraft if they had crashed in India..?

Air Vice Marshal Aurangzeb Ahmed becomes top Google search in Pakistan | The Express Tribune

The Pakistan Armed Forces launched Operation Bunyan-un-Marsoos after Indian strikes on May 6–7.

tribune.com.pk

 

[shade2]

View: https://x.com/Mark99xm/status/1946965003996729431

Europeans and US are now developing hyper-sonic and supersonic missiles after being devoted to subsonic and stealth-shaping subsonic missiles onleee since many decades.

 

[Asmodeus]

Air vice Marshal Aurangzeb claims 6-0 claim in favor of PAF.
TELL ME one good reason why the f**k Indian military not display wreckage of PAF aircraft if they had crashed in India..?

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6-0 is ISPR propagenda.. Their official statement was only about indian losses. They also claim no damage to their assets on bases. Go figure...

 

[Ajatshatru]

Air vice Marshal Aurangzeb claims 6-0 claim in favor of PAF.
TELL ME one good reason why the f**k Indian military not display wreckage of PAF aircraft if they had crashed in India..?

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Based on the debris, it appears the crashed jets are Pakistani JF-17 and Mirage 5 aircraft. Why the Indian government hasn’t disclosed these Pakistani crashes is unclear and somewhat puzzling. However, this isn’t the first time such information has been withheld — even videos of prisoners of war from the Kargil conflict were not released for a long time.

 

[MasterChief]

Correct. All these are youtube clickbait nonsense. Coz there is no report available of an airline crash where an engine is missing from crash site. I asked you to show me a single ACCEPTED AND SETTLED air crash investigation where engines are missing. Ofc you are showing me russian claims that ukraine denies and vice versa but not a single settled investigation in history of aviation. Why ? Because engines never fall separate loy from each other. Ever.

The examples he has shown show that engines of twin engine fighter jets need not be lying side by side.. They would be near by though, not in the same frame..
Now, you talk about "ACCEPTED and settled air crash investigation".. w.r.t fighter aircraft.
Can such a thing happen w r.t fighter aircraft of warring parties ? Will there be any Public investigation by India on fighter aircraft crashed in Punjab and Ramban. ? Nope .

 

[snakeeyes07]

You have based all your analysis and tirades based on a video which just focuses on a sole m88 engine and doesn't show the surrounding or how far is it from other wreckage spots.

Impact dynamics and debris distribution in case of a shoot down is complex. You are oversimplifying that both engines should be visible next to each other otherwise not a 2 engine fighter.

And even then these warheads don't destroy engines. As i said, duffer, use your brain. You are passing off a near intact engine at crash site as m-88. If so, where is the 2nd engine ? Show us a single eg of a plane crash where one or more engine went missing and all wreckage is on land. There are none in aviation history.

Look at the pictures in this post, https://defenceforumbharat.com/threads/operation-sindoor-aftermath.856/post-182721

It doesn't have to be far. Engines never fall apart from each other. The cental spine remains intact and both engines maintain relative position to one another in crash. So where is 2nd engine??

F16 picture was for context that engine/engines can fall away from main wreckage.

 

[MasterChief]

6-0 is ISPR propagenda.. Their official statement was only about indian losses. They also claim no damage to their assets on bases. Go figure...

Air Vice Marshal is not ISPR..

 

[Interested]

The wreckage shown in the picture above is of a Pakistani JF-17. It reportedly crashed inside Indian territory, and there is a possibility that the pilot is currently in Indian custody. It’s unclear why the Indian government hasn’t made this public yet. However, the wreckage strongly resembles that of a JF-17 — just look at the engine blades.

It's unclear because it didn't happen.

Modi would be running and shouting about it in rallies if it happened .