Operation Sindoor & Aftermath (56 Viewers)

Based on the debris, it appears the crashed jets are Pakistani JF-17 and Mirage 5 aircraft. Why the Indian government hasn’t disclosed these Pakistani crashes is unclear and somewhat puzzling. However, this isn’t the first time such information has been withheld — even videos of prisoners of war from the Kargil conflict were not released for a long time.
The Debris could be Mig 29 as well, which uses RD 33 .. As per CDS India lost "atleast 2" aircraft.. So, Kashmir crash is probably Mig 29..
Military did a exhibition of downed Paki missiles and drones..So, why would it not display the more valuable Paki jet wrecks..
As @Interested said.. Modi and BJP would be crowing about downed Paki jets, and put the wreckage on display..
 
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Who is a total duffer or an idiot, I will let others decide. This isn't about having an engineering degree or a "ancillary resume", just need eyes to see and common sense (bit of critical thinking I guess).
And even then these warheads don't destroy engines. As i said, duffer, use your brain. You are passing off a near intact engine at crash site as m-88. If so, where is the 2nd engine ? Show us a single eg of a plane crash where one or more engine went missing and all wreckage is on land. There are none in aviation history.
Watch the video again, it is not near intact. It is crushed.
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Air vice Marshal Aurangzeb claims 6-0 claim in favor of PAF.
TELL ME one good reason why the f**k Indian military not display wreckage of PAF aircraft if they had crashed in India..?

like DGMO said even 5th class school kid makes better replica of pl15.. they will say the same thing for any of their jet specially if it comes days later.
Here's your reason, As per Geneva convention.. we would have to return their pilot safe and sound if we admitted his presence. cannot get any info out of him.
Just like how we didn't know about Kirrana hills houses nukes, we didn't know if their pillot was ejected and survived..

Bruh, It says in a widely circulated clip lmao.. Do you even understand what official source is?? Thats ISPR propagenda you have linked..
 
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Even then can you trust his words?? he says no damage to assets when its clearly visible in sat imagery.. like DGMO said even 5th class school kid makes better replica of pl15.. they will say the same thing for any of their jet specially if it comes days later.
There is no evidence of damage to any PAF asset within the wrecked hangers..
(Paki AWACS were most definitely hit, as acknowledged by retired Air force officer )..but again no seen wreckage means Paki Military will never acknowledge..
My point is: India and Modi Gov.. would have made sure that Paki claims of no fighter losses are proven false, if we had possession of wreckage . We showed off the missile parts and Drone parts.. If we had any, we would have exhibited Paki fighter wreckage..
 
All I have to say about the jet crashes is that it is pure delusion to expect to strike targets within enemy territory without conducting proper SEAD/DEAD and get away with it with no consequences. Whether it was IAF, some MEA babu or even leadorji himself will be clear in due time (whether it will take months or decades is anyone's guess). Jets did go down on May 7th. This is the price you pay for having the audacity to not only be the ones initiating the offensive sortie but also trying to restrict your attacks only to terrorist camps, thinking everything would be fine and dandy.

Once this delusion and self imposed constraint was broken, the only losses on Indian side were civilian and jawan casualties due to the shelling and the debris of downed drones falling on civilians. Thanks to the DEAD on May 8th and 9th, we were bombing Paki air force stations in broad daylight with no Paki response to show for it. Mistakes were made and they were rectified. Quickly.

If this had escalated into a longer war, India would've made every single airport in a 300-400 km range inoperational and the PAF would've been forced to operate from as far back as Quetta.

Air Vice Marshal is not ISPR..
This is the same idiot who claimed that PAF had the capability to intercept hypersonic missiles while the IAF targeted his hangars, runways and trailer based commands. Also probably the same guy who claimed that the PAF had destroyed a S-400 radar/launcher/whatever else while showing a grainy picture which looked more homologous with a JAV from 1990. Perhaps you also like his academic discourse on physical topics like centre of gravity given you think he is reliable?

The figure is certainly not 6-0 when you have a squadron leader and a bunch of technicians being packed in boxes after a hangar was bombed. Unless you think they were all gathering in for a namaz or were trying to pop the cherry of a goat in a fucking hangar, lmao.

It's unclear because it didn't happen.

Modi would be running and shouting about it in rallies if it happened .
Talking about opponent's losses would also raise even more questions on self losses. There are a bunch of other things that happened in Operation Sindoor that he doesn't vomit out in rallies. The strike on Kirana hills, lobbing missiles at Paki air force stations, for example. As far as I understand, the guy has only talked about establishing a deterrence, a new normal where terrorist attacks will now be considered an act of war and the whole "blood and water cannot flow together". He also showed up at the air force station/army base (don't remember correctly) where the S-400 regiment was based out of to give a speech following the ceasefire but he did not comment on that either.
 
like DGMO said even 5th class school kid makes better replica of pl15.. they will say the same thing for any of their jet specially if it comes days later.
Here's your reason, As per Geneva convention.. we would have to return their pilot safe and sound if we admitted his presence. cannot get any info out of him.
Just like how we didn't know about Kirrana hills houses nukes, we didn't know if their pillot was ejected and survived..
I am not talking about Paki pilot..
We didn't mind showing off Paki missile wreckage and drone wreckage..
So, why not show off Paki fighter aircraft wreckage ?
 
There is no evidence of damage to any PAF asset within the wrecked hangers..
(Paki AWACS were most definitely hit, as acknowledged by retired Air force officer )..but again no seen wreckage means Paki Military will never acknowledge..
My point is: India and Modi Gov.. would have made sure that Paki claims of no fighter losses are proven false, if we had possession of wreckage . We showed off the missile parts and Drone parts.. If we had any, we would have exhibited Paki fighter wreckage..
Dead giveaway.. Bring Modi in every discussion. Bro Modi doesn't have rights to disclose operational details even for Political gain. India is not a dictatorship. I know its hard to understand if you are not from India.

Here's your counterpoint : We downed "HIGH-TECH" jets.. does that not counter your fantacised paki claims (since they didn't claim no loses but did propagenda just like you linked)
 
like DGMO said even 5th class school kid makes better replica of pl15.. they will say the same thing for any of their jet specially if it comes days later.
So, why not show off Paki fighter aircraft wreckage ?
do you have comprehenssion issues?? if we showed the wreckage then next question comes did you had the pilot?? how do you answer that?? we don't know??!! that will get your international credibility in dust-bin...
 

View: https://x.com/Mark99xm/status/1946965003996729431

Europeans and US are now developing hyper-sonic and supersonic missiles after being devoted to subsonic and stealth-shaping subsonic missiles onleee since many decades.

People might find it funny but this is the single biggest disadvantage of a subsonic missile, even if stealthy. Speed.

Here a Ukrainian soldier shot down a cruise missile with a MANPAD mid flight, where the cruise missile was obviously not performing any terminal evasive manoeuvre.

View: https://youtu.be/uYfRmMdjNq8?si=-mHot9-cqMR46KpS


Subsonic cruise missiles are supposed to be used to either saturate low density SAMs, or hit targets without AD Cover. BrahMos-NG however will be 25% faster than existing BrahMos and can be carried in larger numbers, including LCA Tejas. Apart from that Rudram-2/3 will be other big headache for them, being a long range hypersonic ALBM and much cheaper and lighter.

Once Astra Mk-2 and later 3 enters service, their bund blasting would be more severe, dare they do another jihadi attack on our people.
 
Bruh, It says in a widely circulated clip lmao.. Do you even understand what official source is?? Thats ISPR propagenda you have linked..
It was during Military briefing .. similar to the ones from our side.. that the Paki Air Vice Marshal said this..
Point is he would not have said this, if 2 Paki fighter aircraft wrecks were in Indian possession.. It's just common sense.

Between i believe Paki aircraft crashed in Paki territory..
 
Dead giveaway.. Bring Modi in every discussion. Bro Modi doesn't have rights to disclose operational details even for Political gain. India is not a dictatorship. I know its hard to understand if you are not from India.

Here's your counterpoint : We downed "HIGH-TECH" jets.. does that not counter your fantacised paki claims (since they didn't claim no loses but did propagenda just like you linked)
Dude .. Paki Fighter aircraft wreck is not top secret operational detail.. just like Paki missile and drone wreckage shown to the media is not operational detail...
If India has possession of Paki aircraft wreckage, it would have been shown to the media .
 
do you have comprehenssion issues?? if we showed the wreckage then next question comes did you had the pilot?? how do you answer that?? we don't know??!! that will get your international credibility in dust-bin...
There is no wreckage to show because it didn't happen . The simplest explanation is the best one instead of convoluted explanations .

Now Pakistani jets probably got shot out of the sky in Pakistani airspace . And there is video about that from the Pakistanis themselves especially there where they though they were about to capture an Indian pilot . And Pakistani jets were also directly hit on the ground including an AWAC along with a bunch of personnel working on it.
 
Well anyway.. we hit 11 Paki airbases with precision, and they couldn't hit any of ours ..
There is no bigger display of dominance than this..
Loss of 2/3 airframes is of far less importance..
Yes . And it would not have been a big deal if they said , ya we lost 3 jets but we smashed all the targets in day 1 and then but hit all your airbases at will for next 3 days as your airforce stayed far away from the border.

It's a huge victory over a near peer airforce but the story has got hijacked because they want to hide everything.
 
There is no evidence of damage to any PAF asset within the wrecked hangers..

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Paki army will admit fuck all. Inbreds were keeping count of downed Indian jets on the front pages of their newspapers during the Indo pak war of 1971 - where they would make all sorts of crazy claims on a daily basis.

Gora media won't cover shit because the sanctity of F-16 would be protected at any cost.
 
Yes . And it would not have been a big deal if they said , ya we lost 3 jets but we smashed all the targets in day 1 and then but hit all your airbases at will for next 3 days as your airforce stayed far away from the border.

It's a huge victory over a near peer airforce but the story has got hijacked because they want to hide everything.
I am Ok with India not disclosing the exact number of jets lost.. as this may lead Pakistan and China to differentiate between real and decoy signatures.. and cause us more losses in the next conflict..
It's just that I am p*ssed with Trump.. Hope during the next conflict no one picks up calls from Burger country..
 

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