Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

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craigs said:
Turks control the strait of Bosporus, very important for our trade. It is what it is.
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That strait is not something we can't do without.

On flip side we control everything that flows east as well.
we can make things extremely difficult and expensive for Turkey when they want to ship east.
 
Prasad said:
On flip side we control everything that flows east as well.
we can make things extremely difficult and expensive for Turkey when they want to ship east.
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Nope not as long as Turkey is in NATO.

Also, it is not just the strait, Turkey itself is one of our gateway to EU.
 
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Azaad said:
PLA units involved across the LAC aren't the ones who'd feature in amphibious assault across the Straits of Formosa . Both are different & highly specialised activities. Ditto for the PLAAF units .

The reason I believe ( and it's purely my gut instincts here , nothing to be gleaned from the net ) China'd come for us us before they initiate Taiwan is they'd expect a swift short "shock & awe" campaign to test the efficacy of their other arms namely the Rocket Force , Cyber Security Force , their Support Forces which handles logistics , their ISR network , etc .

A quick win here would not only boost their confidence but also validate the soundness of their systems & strategy before taking on what should be their biggest challenge namely the US & it's allies along with Taiwan.

The danger here is things don't go as per plan & they then get stuck in a war of attrition. That's when their desperation will come to the fore & you can expect them to then throw everything thing into it including the proverbial kitchen sink.

The more the conflict drags on the more their desperation increases leading them to push the envelope drastically. This would probably see us become pretty desperate as well. At this point all bets would be off.

The operating logic being if the Chinese armed forces can't overcome India , what're their chances against not only the most powerful country on the face of the earth but also their allies who've formidable militaries of their own namely - Japan & RoK .

Remember Xi & his clique have made a lot of enemies back home who're just waiting to see him fail . A war , any war China initiates would jeopardize trade & with it their incomes. The moment he does fail or even is perceived to fail like for instance that's how a stalemate across the LAC would be seen , the daggers would be out.

Hence as you see there's a lot at stake personally for Xi in this one much as Munir Maamu is discovering now on a much smaller scale.

Could go on but trust you get the drift.
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Your points make sense from the surface, but it has a critical error in it as i pointed out : the chinese psyche.
Just like USA isnt gonna be satisfied by blowing up a few air defences and doing shock and awe through ir and internet for invading iraq - nothing short of full occupation is a victory in eyes of massively superior USA, same way, China will NOT see a war as a success against india, unless it comes specifically to aid pakistan from collapse, except when it can win huge chunk fo land from India.
China doesnt percieve India as an equal power, so throwing some punches and landing them will not motivate a superior power to take pangaa with a smaller one : you have bigger operational requirements to succeed.
You are basically thinking like what pakis would do to us and then applying it to chinese, forgetting that in paki mind, we are a peer power ( even though we are massively superior), therefore THEY will be quite happy to throw a few punches and seeing them land.

Especially when India is the 2nd in position for the country that the Chinese make most money from- to jeopardize that, they would requrie mission parameter of occupying all of ladakh or tawang or most of Arunachal Pradesh.
 
INDIAFIRST said:
MAJOR Three mistakes of Nehru chacha

1) took kashmir issue to UN

2) rejected UNSC permanent seat in UN

3) accepted Tibet as an integral part of China
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India of 1947 was different from India of 2020's
One need to go though newspaper of 1947-1960 to understand what nehru was dealing with and why few things he did looks like mistakes now was master strokes at that time.
 
Azaad said:
Hellfire seems to have gotten into the game of skills business , inaugurating a start up , playing the numbers game .

In Mumbai it's called Matka or Jackpot.
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Well many of his claims have come true, I would say 70% hit 30% miss. His recent claim on porks stopping further drone incursions post ceasefire after we hit them hard again seems right.

Nicky said:
They may sell some weapons at exorbitant costs but will never intervene for us against Chini.


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LETHALFORCE said:
I have heard unconfirmed rumors that all information gained about the missile by us will be
shared with USA???
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We should extract our pound of flesh before giving any information, or rather not share anything and do a deal with chinkies ?
 
Prasad said:
The one thing that gets me is GOI being passive towards countries like Turkey.
They are not suppliers of oil or any crucial thing that makes our country run.

Being careful of Saudis & few other ME countries can be understood but Turkey?!

These Turk mofo's have been braying for a while now.
It should not have taken a skirmish with Pakis to look start giving Turkey a middle finger.
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Muslims in India love Turks. Congress, DMK, Trinamool etc. supporters love Turks vs BJP or Hindus. In many cases, such traitors have infiltrated courts. And quite often, state level decisions supercede federal level decisions. Not easy to unify more than 50% of Indians, unfortunately.

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ashiii said:
India of 1947 was different from India of 2020's
One need to go though newspaper of 1947-1960 to understand what nehru was dealing with and why few things he did looks like mistakes now was master strokes at that time.
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Yes, India did not have the world’s third-largest defence budget in 1947, as it does today, so the decisions made by Nehru were also in line with that reality
 
Nicky said:
They may sell some weapons at exorbitant costs but will never intervene for us against Chini.


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What kind of interventiona are you imagining or want?
Noone is expecting them to donate their weapons to us. We are also not expecting them to put their own boots on ground.
Here is what US intervention in our case will look like:
1. Sale of weapons to us. Uncle Sam's MIC will gain more muscle with these orders. We have 600B forex reserves. So a very big order.
2. Intelligence sharing.
3. Sanctions. Uncle Sam will use this opportunity to sanction and drive out chinese from the western world with minimal resistance.

If we look from Uncle Sam's perspective China engaging us first is better for them. Also, We are not a small country. We have depth. Chinese can't have a fast victory against us. OP Sindoor has galvanized indian aspirations. Our polity is coming of age and is no longer a cuck. Modi is not going to accept a quick ceasefire with chinese. He will take them down and avenge Nehru's mistakes. We have manpower, we just lack some material assets. But with our 600B USD forex reserve we can buy them from international market. It will be an order of lifetime for western countries and once in a lifetime opportunity to regain and build the muscle.

So, Chinese will be foolish if they engage us directly before softening us from western and eastern front via proxies. The best proxy they had was porkies and they failed miserably.

It doesn't mean we are out of danger now. We are still very much in danger. But its just risk calculus has changed.
 
ashiii said:
India of 1947 was different from India of 2020's
One need to go though newspaper of 1947-1960 to understand what nehru was dealing with and why few things he did looks like mistakes now was master strokes at that time.
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Very bad assessment.
We were better than even the chinkis at the time of independence. I had to do a school project on partition and i was surprised to come to know that british owed us money. We had the surplus cash. We also had some industries. As compared to chinkis who were a theatre of the world war we were like americans pretty distant from front.

So, Logically speaking we were better than chinkis in 1947 and yet we lost to them. It is all Nehru's fault. None of them were masterstrokes. They were goberstrokes. Nehru was an idiot and evil. We are still suffering from his idiocacy. His lullaby are costing us lives and money.

Anyone who thinks Nehru maybe was not bad. Is an idiot. It is plain and simple.
 
Prasad said:
The one thing that gets me is GOI being passive towards countries like Turkey.
They are not suppliers of oil or any crucial thing that makes our country run.

Being careful of Saudis & few other ME countries can be understood but Turkey?!

These Turk mofo's have been braying for a while now.
It should not have taken a skirmish with Pakis to look start giving Turkey a middle finger.
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India has a trade surplus ($2.36 Bn) with Turkey. Could be one of the reasons.

But yeah we were too nice to them.
 
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