Operation Sindoor and Aftermath (47 Viewers)

Nicky said:
F35 is a non-starter. Why can't we build jets without CATSA? We told US to f-off when we got S400.

If not Su57, get more Rafales and hope they can match J20 where needed.

The thing people are missing is that the opposition can come in power and scuttle AMCA.

I am not sure drones can be a substitute for a jet in an all out war.
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Drone will substitute jets .. Future warfare will be on unmanned drones ..Manned platform will only be used to guide and assist unmanned from safe space ..
Era of dogfight is over my friend .It's all drones from now on
 
Bad Chinese military Hardware in Pakistani hands

Chinese will continue to be war material supplier to Pakistan. There are two reasons for that. First no other country will sell to them cheap untested war material at a deferred payment rate other than China. Second, geopolitically, Pakistan wants to stay connected fully with China to corner India.

Hence knowing that how miserably the Chinese military hardware failed during operation Sindoor they will still buy Chinese military hardware…….. That is good for India.

Now for next 5 to 10 years Pakistan will not attempt another war with India. Smart military men in Pakistan know that untested stealth fighters which China is giving to Pakistan will fail again like their PL-15 and they will loose war again but they will continue a thousand year Islamic war with India, no matter how many times they fail.
 
Brood Father said:
Suppose you go for Su57 and Uncle Sam put a CATSA you won't be able to get GE414 engines and also GE404 . Your all important projects will go down the drain
Our goodwill saved us in S400 and but only due to the threat of CATSA we didn't initiate Tejas Mk2 . Funds were delivered to the project only when we had MoU .
Also for SU57 our air force rejected it because of its compromised stealth and even Russia is not able to manufacturer this at industrial scale , there is engine issues as well . So I don't know how people are saying Su57 is a serious contender

Yes I do agree Air force should get more Rafales and then make it the last import
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CATSA or not, GE 414 can be choked anytime. You think US is reliable after recent behaviour?

We either way need other partners for engine.

Su57 might be below what our air force wishes but it's better than anything we have or the Chini have.

That's a good enough stop gap till we get the dream capability is AMCA.

What other option is there for the next 10 years? Hope that drones and missiles are good enough for Porkis and Chini?

Brood Father said:
Drone will substitute jets .. Future warfare will be on unmanned drones ..Manned platform will only be used to guide and assist unmanned from safe space ..
Era of dogfight is over my friend .It's all drones from now on
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Yes that's a claim that we can't bet on for the future of our nation.
 
Nicky said:
I'll go in reverse. As bad as Su57 might be, as long as it can handle so called Chini 5th gen, it would do its job.

Chini equipment is in US and western material as well. There's no escaping that.

Delivery timelines delay is something you have to live with. You are talking as if HAL doesn't delay.

What's the realistic AMCA timeline? What happens if the government changes?
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My 2 cents

Su57 cant handle J20, not by a long shot. J20:Su57 is the same as Rafale:JF-17 - Same "generation" of aircraft, but one falls far behind the other.

Su57 isnt stealthy to even X band, it has giant return on lower section even in frontal aspect

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If you want to import, get F35. Else, get your UCAVs developed fast and stock up on missiles. Either is a undesirable solution, but it will work for a while till issues are sorted.


SU57 solves nothing.
 
Hari Sud said:
Bad Chinese military Hardware in Pakistani hands

Chinese will continue to be war material supplier to Pakistan. There are two reasons for that. First no other country will sell to them cheap untested war material at a deferred payment rate other than China. Second, geopolitically, Pakistan wants to stay connected fully with China to corner India.

Hence knowing that how miserably the Chinese military hardware failed during operation Sindoor they will still buy Chinese military hardware…….. That is good for India.

Now for next 5 to 10 years Pakistan will not attempt another war with India. Smart military men in Pakistan know that untested stealth fighters which China is giving to Pakistan will fail again like their PL-15 and they will loose war again but they will continue a thousand year Islamic war with India, no matter how many times they fail.
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Yes even Porkies understand that. Which is why they are begging US to give them real AD.

I don't think US will give them F35, they might if we go for Su57. But maintaining F35 is a nightmare for even the US.
 
Nicky said:
CATSA or not, GE 414 can be choked anytime. You think US is reliable after recent behaviour?

We either way need other partners for engine.

Su57 might be below what our air force wishes but it's better than anything we have or the Chini have.

That's a good enough stop gap till we get the dream capability is AMCA.

What other option is there for the next 10 years? Hope that drones and missiles are good enough for Porkis and Chini?
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Bhai ..you have only so much money to either do modernization or procurement you cant do both.
If you have a blank cheque then it makes sense to do both of GOI has limited money and it has to modernize is navy airforce and army
Navy becomes more and more crucial because of China .like I said Pak is a distraction . If you really want to counter China you need to build your Navy .
China wants you to buy fifth Gen junks from Russia or Umerica so that it can scuttle your Navy for just enough time so that it can control Indian Ocean region ..
You don't want to make this mistake unless you are suicidal
 
SwordOfDarkness said:
My 2 cents

Su57 cant handle J20, not by a long shot. J20:Su57 is the same as Rafale:JF-17 - Same "generation" of aircraft, but one falls far behind the other.

Su57 isnt stealthy to even X band, it has giant return on lower section even in frontal aspect

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If you want to import, get F35. Else, get your UCAVs developed fast and stock up on missiles. Either is a undesirable solution, but it will work for a while till issues are sorted.


SU57 solves nothing.
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J20 is mostly untested hype like other Chini systems, we destroyed in the recent operations.

F35 would be suicide inviting restrictions and sanctions. It would be limited in what we can integrate.

Su57 might be a subpar 5th gen, but so is J20. Stealth is not the beall, there's maneuverability and a host of other capabilities. Plus we will be able to integrate our systems as we wish.

It should be the last jets we import.

Else bet on drones and missiles till we get AMCA which we don't know the timeframe for. An unwise option.
 
Brood Father said:
Bhai ..you have only so much money to either do modernization or procurement you cant do both.
If you have a blank cheque then it makes sense to do both of GOI has limited money and it has to modernize is navy airforce and army
Navy becomes more and more crucial because of China .like I said Pak is a distraction . If you really want to counter China you need to build your Navy .
China wants you to buy fifth Gen junks from Russia or Umerica so that it can scuttle your Navy for just enough time so that it can control Indian Ocean region ..
You don't want to make this mistake unless you are suicidal
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Yes money is a limitation and the government has to balance long term investment with short to medium term.

You can't neglect the air force and bet everything on a a jet that may come 15 years down the line.

Porkies are a distraction but one that we don't seem interested in dealing with. There is no indication we will have dealt with them in the next decade or so. Thus, we need to factor them as well.

I agree that growing navy is critical for Chini but that doesn't mean we can ignore air force.

It's pretty simple, can we deal with anything Porkies or Chini airforce can throw at us for the next 15 years without a 5th gen fighter jet?

If yes, then don't import but if no, what other option do we have apart from Su57?
 
Nicky said:
Yes money is a limitation and the government has to balance long term investment with short to medium term.

You can't neglect the air force and bet everything on a a jet that may come 15 years down the line.

Porkies are a distraction but one that we don't seem interested in dealing with. There is no indication we will have dealt with them in the next decade or so. Thus, we need to factor them as well.

I agree that growing navy is critical for Chini but that doesn't mean we can ignore air force.

It's pretty simple, can we deal with anything Porkies or Chini airforce can throw at us for the next 15 years without a 5th gen fighter jet?

If yes, then don't import but if no, what other option do we have apart from Su57?
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I am not sure why you want to waste money in substandard jet which has below par engine output , compromised stealth and it's rate of delivery is not even sufficient for Russian armed forces .
A rupee wasted in Su57 is better sitting in coffers generating interest..
Coming back to Pakistan , if it has J31 then YOU CANNOT stop it from attacking India if you don't have radars .
Su57 will be used for attacking Pakistan but geography of Pakistan is so piss poor tht we can attack Pakistan at place of our choosing by missiles and drones so I don't see any incentive in buying a substandard jet
 
Brood Father said:
I am not sure why you want to waste money in substandard jet which has below par engine output , compromised stealth and it's rate of delivery is not even sufficient for Russian armed forces .
A rupee wasted in Su57 is better sitting in coffers generating interest..
Coming back to Pakistan , if it has J31 then YOU CANNOT stop it from attacking India if you don't have radars .
Su57 will be used for attacking Pakistan but geography of Pakistan is so piss poor tht we can attack Pakistan at place of our choosing by missiles and drones so I don't see any incentive in buying a substandard jet
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Yup we can shoot their jets when they try to go airborne thanks s400 no more sikular roe .
We must focus on building indian navy and modernize army with ai and drones,airforce must be indigenized and all three armed forces must be integrated.
 
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Nicky said:
Yes even Porkies understand that. Which is why they are begging US to give them real AD.

I don't think US will give them F35, they might if we go for Su57. But maintaining F35 is a nightmare for even the US.
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Very, very unlikely that American will ever consider arming Pakistan on the same scale as 1955 or in 1984. It suits Pakistan to stay Jihadi and stay tied with China.
 
Master of Indus said:
Anyways, SU-57 is the best stop gap and they way it's coming out, it might surprise everyone. Let's not even talk about chinese junk like J-20 and J-35s, SU-57s will eat them alive. A short video on its capabilities!



View: https://youtu.be/s_nZ37VC7cM?si=bF0-LaZrfO-tcI-j
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If it's so good, why did the Russians place limited orders? Why is it that more than half of the manufactured aircraft are prototypes? Why is it that the IAF, which has been a large scale customer of Sukhoi, wasn't impressed with it's design way back in 2018 and publicly criticized it? What if they sell Su-57 to China too if they ordered it (which they will as soon as it's revealed that India has procured some just like they did with Su-30)? Is it worth panic buying a flawed product that can easily be compromised by the enemy by merely throwing some cash?
 
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