Small Arms and Weapons

[vampyrbladez]

is there any thread for personal experiences of handling different indian or foreign weapons by forum members ??

This is a legendary article regarding the INSAS rifle that is almost 15 years old by an Indian gun owner.

The INSAS 5.56mm Rifle- A Technical Treatise
https://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=9131&sid=d641f7346dfb9e881cdebeb97bbab1bc

Here is Vladimir Onokoy, the spokesman for Kalashnikov Concern (Russia) talking about his experience with the INSAS rifle.

Indian Army Plans to Upgrade INSAS Rifle. Part 2 - My Experience
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog...ade-insas-rifle-part-2-my-experience-44815429

 

[johny_baba]

This is a legendary article regarding the INSAS rifle that is almost 15 years old by an Indian gun owner.

The INSAS 5.56mm Rifle- A Technical Treatise
https://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=9131&sid=d641f7346dfb9e881cdebeb97bbab1bc

Here is Vladimir Onokoy, the spokesman for Kalashnikov Concern (Russia) talking about his experience with the INSAS rifle.

Indian Army Plans to Upgrade INSAS Rifle. Part 2 - My Experience
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog...ade-insas-rifle-part-2-my-experience-44815429

nice article by Vladimir Onokoy,
he posted hell of fresh pics of INSAS prototype from that St. Petersburg museum...but apparently in good ol' D F I it was me who worked my arse off to track that particular INSAS down and providing some info about it in end of 2022, can't help but gloat about it as it's one of my proudest firearms related post so far - and since then seems even these westerners have taken a note of its presence in that museum and that particular cabinet



since good ol' D F I is no more, i only have this to show as proof, the timestamps for images i uploaded there with that post

though i must say, some lesser known russian bloggers did mention about INSAS Prototype's presence in that St. Petersburg museum and that's where i got the exact location of it, and fortunately google maps helped with its 3-d tour thing (using that visual tour, i literally went from one corner to other from very entry point thorough whole museum to finally find it on second or third floor, at some small arms room, near a window nearby corner of the room) - but even then, these same people never bothered much to provide fresh, high res pics of it and everyone just totally forgot about it all over insignificance, but with that post of mine on D F I, and all upgrades being done to INSAS by FAB-style kits they suddenly got interest in it, hhmm?

Military Historical Museum of Artillery, Engineers and Signal Corps - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Street View of Military-Historical Museum of Artillery, Engineer and Signal Corps · Google Maps

Park Aleksandrovskiy, 7, St Petersburg, Russia, 197101

maps.app.goo.gl

 

[username unkown]

View: https://youtu.be/dwhOvBaVG5w?si=nPJ_OQgqOhIEu5U8

 

[VictorDelta4]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=797CFRfYvsI
@Ayan Barat Isn't there another AR pattern DMR with a side charging handle? I read something about one but I cant seem to fuckin recall it.

 

[spindrift]

 

[Corvus Splendens]

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Obcourse it's Thai

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtjUOgzbJAk

 

[Alby]

nice article by Vladimir Onokoy,
he posted hell of fresh pics of INSAS prototype from that St. Petersburg museum...but apparently in good ol' D F I it was me who worked my arse off to track that particular INSAS down and providing some info about it in end of 2022, can't help but gloat about it as it's one of my proudest firearms related post so far - and since then seems even these westerners have taken a note of its presence in that museum and that particular cabinet

View attachment 26103

since good ol' D F I is no more, i only have this to show as proof, the timestamps for images i uploaded there with that post

though i must say, some lesser known russian bloggers did mention about INSAS Prototype's presence in that St. Petersburg museum and that's where i got the exact location of it, and fortunately google maps helped with its 3-d tour thing (using that visual tour, i literally went from one corner to other from very entry point thorough whole museum to finally find it on second or third floor, at some small arms room, near a window nearby corner of the room) - but even then, these same people never bothered much to provide fresh, high res pics of it and everyone just totally forgot about it all over insignificance, but with that post of mine on D F I, and all upgrades being done to INSAS by FAB-style kits they suddenly got interest in it, hhmm?

Military Historical Museum of Artillery, Engineers and Signal Corps - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Street View of Military-Historical Museum of Artillery, Engineer and Signal Corps · Google Maps

Park Aleksandrovskiy, 7, St Petersburg, Russia, 197101

maps.app.goo.gl

lyndon schuler too spotted the insas in this specific museum and i had posted the pic of it last month or so.

 

[Alby]

nice article by Vladimir Onokoy,
he posted hell of fresh pics of INSAS prototype from that St. Petersburg museum...but apparently in good ol' D F I it was me who worked my arse off to track that particular INSAS down and providing some info about it in end of 2022, can't help but gloat about it as it's one of my proudest firearms related post so far - and since then seems even these westerners have taken a note of its presence in that museum and that particular cabinet

View attachment 26103

since good ol' D F I is no more, i only have this to show as proof, the timestamps for images i uploaded there with that post

though i must say, some lesser known russian bloggers did mention about INSAS Prototype's presence in that St. Petersburg museum and that's where i got the exact location of it, and fortunately google maps helped with its 3-d tour thing (using that visual tour, i literally went from one corner to other from very entry point thorough whole museum to finally find it on second or third floor, at some small arms room, near a window nearby corner of the room) - but even then, these same people never bothered much to provide fresh, high res pics of it and everyone just totally forgot about it all over insignificance, but with that post of mine on D F I, and all upgrades being done to INSAS by FAB-style kits they suddenly got interest in it, hhmm?

Military Historical Museum of Artillery, Engineers and Signal Corps - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Street View of Military-Historical Museum of Artillery, Engineer and Signal Corps · Google Maps

Park Aleksandrovskiy, 7, St Petersburg, Russia, 197101

maps.app.goo.gl

No amount of upgrades by Fab or even sureshot is gonna make it a worthy try bro.because the build quality is shit unlike Fal or Ak203.

 

[AbRaj]

No amount of upgrades by Fab or even sureshot is gonna make it a worthy try bro.because the build quality is shit unlike Fal or Ak203.

What if the license is given to some competent player like LMT to produce machined version of it with proper AR style furniture. I don’t think technically its that bad.

 

[SKC]

View: https://youtu.be/dwhOvBaVG5w?si=nPJ_OQgqOhIEu5U8

 

[Alby]

Pros and cons of use of Gpmg as SAW

 

[Alby]

What if the license is given to some competent player like LMT to produce machined version of it with proper AR style furniture. I don’t think technically its that bad.

Why reinventing the wheel? It was obsolete even in 1998 when it was first introduced.We need to design new ones .Plus that one was too bulky for a 5.56 weapon even if we forget the crude stamped sheet metal parts.

 

[AbRaj]

Why reinventing the wheel? It was obsolete even in 1998 when it was first introduced.We need to design new ones .Plus that one was too bulky for a 5.56 weapon even if we forget the crude stamped sheet metal parts.

You said its Obsolete. What do you mean by that, as AFAIK all small arms designs are very old and hardly any change over time. Isn’t its just another standard long stroke piston design with focus on reliability like AKs. I mean we are still importing WW2 era guns.

 

[johny_baba]

What if the license is given to some competent player like LMT to produce machined version of it with proper AR style furniture. I don’t think technically its that bad.

as i've said before, make new gen INSAS out of ARDE 5.56mm Carbine // Ugram rifle platform, the one that has SIG-540-ish two piece receiver design, and lots of problem shall be solved

alternatively, we do have milled receiver INSASes in form of those Excalibur Mk.1C, "Indian Assault Rifle" in 7.62 NATO and if you look at Trichy it's also similar stuff

for existing INSASes with good serviceable barrels, the best solution is to provide 'receiver update kits' for it, means pulling out INSAS barrel out of rifle and placing it in newer receiver or platform, could be either based on ARDE 5.56mm Carbine fork, or Excalibur Mk.1C fork

now this may seem outrageous to many, like why don't just invest in a new rifle itself, but one of costliest element on a rifle is its barrel, and if we can use same barrel + gas system (hopefully) + bolt carrier (hopefully) from older INSASes on newer receivers it'll still be cheaper enough to go through such upgrades...and if you put picatiny rails on top and handguards (already there on ARDE 5.56mm Carbine, and Excalibur Mk.1C) it'll even save us costs in getting those israeli FAB style kits for most parts

so it's possible, but we lack intent...

 

[AbRaj]

as i've said before, make new gen INSAS out of ARDE 5.56mm Carbine // Ugram rifle platform, the one that has SIG-540-ish two piece receiver design, and lots of problem shall be solved

alternatively, we do have milled receiver INSASes in form of those Excalibur Mk.1C, "Indian Assault Rifle" in 7.62 NATO and if you look at Trichy it's also similar stuff

for existing INSASes with good serviceable barrels, the best solution is to provide 'receiver update kits' for it, means pulling out INSAS barrel out of rifle and placing it in newer receiver or platform, could be either based on ARDE 5.56mm Carbine fork, or Excalibur Mk.1C fork

now this may seem outrageous to many, like why don't just invest in a new rifle itself, but one of costliest element on a rifle is its barrel, and if we can use same barrel + gas system (hopefully) + bolt carrier (hopefully) from older INSASes on newer receivers it'll still be cheaper enough to go through such upgrades...and if you put picatiny rails on top and handguards (already there on ARDE 5.56mm Carbine, and Excalibur Mk.1C) it'll even save us costs in getting those israeli FAB style kits for most parts

so it's possible, but we lack intent...

If may I ask, what is the problem with INSAS receiver ?