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People with higher stress tolerance perform higher in virtually ALL scenarios of stress testing.
This is a basic fact you'd know if you actually were educated on the topic and not peddling standard western incel logic.

My yardstick for pain tolerance are actual pain tests. Not incel bullshit of giving birth.
FYI women show 150% better pain tolerance when their fingers are stabbed than men do. And the specific test is putting needles under your finger-nail and twisting it. Go Try putting a sui under your nail to see how excruciating that is.

If u wish I can try digging up the study next week when I have access to my old laptop.

And if you question a mathematician on what 150% divergence implies in absolute-Ness of conclusion, I will go full Indian uncle on you and do chappal-baazi on you. Lol.
If at all any delusion exists about women being able to tolerate pains/stress better than men this comes from the observation that childbirth is the most painful experience one can go through - which it isn't actually though it's up there - and thus concluding from there that as a result women deal with physical pain better across the board period. This comes primarily from your libcels and femcels, not from the flavor of incels you want to imagine lol. Empirical data ofc contradicts this else people wouldn't talk about protecting women all the time, most often women themselves. They should probably get this memo.

Sure, if there are comprehensive studies on different kinds of pain stimuli I don't mind having a look, maybe i'll do so myself. I didn't take the effort of quoting anything because i still think this is just an informal discussion and not a properly serious academic discussion which it isn't imo.
 
If at all any delusion exists about women being able to tolerate pains/stress better than men this comes from the observation that childbirth is the most painful experience one can go through - which it isn't actually though it's up there - and thus concluding from there that as a result women deal with physical pain better across the board period. This comes primarily from your libcels and femcels, not from the flavor of incels you want to imagine lol. Empirical data ofc contradicts this else people wouldn't talk about protecting women all the time, most often women themselves. They should probably get this memo.

Sure, if there are comprehensive studies on different kinds of pain stimuli I don't mind having a look, maybe i'll do so myself. I didn't take the effort of quoting anything because i still think this is just an informal discussion and not a properly serious academic discussion which it isn't imo.
Nearly every chaotic or accident video has a woman screaming like banshee in the background instead of helping physically or keeping calm, but he has crammed some made up "imperial data" chooran coming out of womanities departments.
 
Nearly every chaotic or accident video has a woman screaming like banshee in the background instead of helping physically or keeping calm, but he has crammed some made up "imperial data" chooran coming out of womanities departments.
And did any men in Pahalgam fought back terrorists? Fight or Flight is normal response in any human being. Staying calm under stress is rare trait born naturally among humans and often is inoculated through regimental discipline when you join organized workforce which requires it as part of their job description.

Case in point didnt both men and women employees of Taj help forces during operation 2611?
 
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And did any men in Pahalgam fought back terrorists? Fight or Flight is normal response in any human being. Staying calm under stress is rare trait born naturally among humans and often is inoculated through regimental discipline when you join organized workforce which requires it as part of their job description.

Case in point didnt both men and women employees of Taj help forces during operation 2611?
What do you even know went by at that place. If someone has a gun, also standing at 5 meters distance what chance do you even have. Now add the probability that terrorist might start shooting indiscriminately your wife and children if you made any move.
 
What do you even know went by at that place. If someone has a gun, also standing at 5 meters distance what chance do you even have. Now add the probability that terrorist might start shooting indiscriminately your wife and children if you made any move.
Nutcracker I am not victim blaming here I am just drawing parallels, both men and women are instinctively built to protect their offspring's at the cost of themselves. A woman shrieking or Panicking at an incident would not think twice to put in herself in harm way if her offspring's life was threatened. Thats all biology/genetics.

Women in India had armed trainings infact armed women body guards often formed close guards /maids of the queens and princess. Learn how Nair women , Khalsa Sikh women trained for martial arts for self defense or even carried raids(rare though - mostly in defensive roles). Dire times require even women to arm up. And it does not happen suddenly. You have to inoculate a generation before that mindset seeps in.
 
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If at all any delusion exists about women being able to tolerate pains/stress better than men this comes from the observation that childbirth is the most painful experience one can go through - which it isn't actually though it's up there - and thus concluding from there that as a result women deal with physical pain better across the board period. This comes primarily from your libcels and femcels, not from the flavor of incels you want to imagine lol. Empirical data ofc contradicts this else people wouldn't talk about protecting women all the time, most often women themselves. They should probably get this memo.

Sure, if there are comprehensive studies on different kinds of pain stimuli I don't mind having a look, maybe i'll do so myself. I didn't take the effort of quoting anything because i still think this is just an informal discussion and not a properly serious academic discussion which it isn't imo.
No. You are blissfully unaware of actual tests done on the topic of pain, sensory perceptions, eye tracking, threat perceptions etc. so you are talking out of your ass like an incel. women have higher pain tolerance than men and i actually cited a specific example OF a study - sticking needles under your nails.

Stop insulting scientific research on biological topics, bud.
Your empirical data is not recognized as its anecdotal. The end.
 
Nearly every chaotic or accident video has a woman screaming like banshee in the background instead of helping physically or keeping calm, but he has crammed some made up "imperial data" chooran coming out of womanities departments.
That is not pain tolerance. Duh. That is fear response, mr genius. Pain toelerance is how much pain you can bear. Pain is a stimuli. Stress response isnt the same as fear response. Stress response is ability to make decisions under a stressful condition- there are plenty of pussies around who can handle stress like a champ and vice versa where there are plenty of jigraa dudes who go blood-lust crazy and die coz they cant handle stress either in combat.
This isnt a incel discussion here i am interested to have with tweeners. Either use brain or i will start bringing out Indian uncle chappal & gaali your way, vatz. As i am probably your uncles age as a 40+ dude.
I piss on feminism and have said so in the feminism threat plenty of times. That doesnt mean i am gonna jive with Indian cut-paste of yankee-type incels.
 
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What do you even know went by at that place. If someone has a gun, also standing at 5 meters distance what chance do you even have. Now add the probability that terrorist might start shooting indiscriminately your wife and children if you made any move.
I will tell you exactly what chance you have - at under 15m with a trained person on handguns ( as in reg range dude, aka similar to auxillary reserve troops) ? ZERO.
With an AK, under 50m and you are toast to a boy - AKs are ridiculously mispotrayed in movies - i have fired then and ANY kid over 10 year old can shoot it in burst mode ( 3 shot per trigger pull) and hit a dog at least once at 50 yards or less, in under 1 hour of practice. All you need to learn, is to cradle it well to absorb the recoil.
With a shotgun, you just point and shoot a buckshot at 20m and they are definitely dead, whatever person u shoot at, provided you can control the recoil and dont fall on your ass coz shotguns have crazy recoil due to short barrels and you NEED to be strong to use it or know how to cradle well. If you are strong and you can aim, you use a slug and their head explodes at 25m or closer.
And finally, with my trusty SKS rifle, i can teach any kid over 10 in an afternoon how to hit a rabbit at 100m, easy.


So those who are saying the wives could've done something- they watch too much salman and sharukh thakreewood. Because forget wives, not even Arnold at his peak could've done something if he was unarmed. Guns at hands of competent people are NOT a joke. And i use paramilitary/reserves as analog because they have roughly the same level of gun skills as us hunters ( obviously they have better all-round skills as they train with all types of firearms, we hunters mostly stick to practicing with our rifles or shotguns and are usually a BIT better than paramilitary/reserves with the rifle or the shotgun) and its therefore easy for me to approximate based on my gun experiences.

To give you an idea, how deadly it can be, i can EASILY mass murder 200+ in a place like South City Mall Kolkata, if i had an Ak-47 and was as practiced with the AK-47 as i am with the SKS, before i was taken down or i retreated. All the cop guards there ? Pfft. Easy if they dont suspect a thing and i just waltz up, crouch and arc-burst them. The civillians then become easy meat. each burst 1 dead, so thats 3 bullets to a kill. You can easily carry 1000 rounds on you if you know your gun-jackets like the terrorists do.

There is one thing you CAN do to maximize your odds of survival in an open Pahelgam type environment: but its extremely hard to do for couples - you split and run in oppoite directions at direct right angle to the shooter. Most people, even vets, dont adjust their stance but move their arm to shoot at targets running away perpendicular to them, which is the least accurate way of shooting a gun and running in opposites means, its a coin-toss and only one of you die if they intend to kill both of you.
 
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No. You are blissfully unaware of actual tests done on the topic of pain, sensory perceptions, eye tracking, threat perceptions etc. so you are talking out of your ass like an incel. women have higher pain tolerance than men and i actually cited a specific example OF a study - sticking needles under your nails.

Stop insulting scientific research on biological topics, bud.
Your empirical data is not recognized as its anecdotal. The end.
You dont have any idea about the merit of these tests done - never mind what the conditions were and the sample size etc, one test apparently is conclusive now - and are talking out of your ass like a libcel boomer Bong uncle who is determined to win an argument in a Calcutta tea shop even if he has to throw common sense out of the window and invent his own definitions of stress, pain, pain tolerance in the process and project by calling anyone who challenges it an incel. Putting sex on a pedestal like it is some valuable currency is peak libcel smear tactic btw uncle incase you didn't know.

Stop pretending to be scientific when you're just behaving like a 'scientism' cultist, especially when you ignore already available research and data just because it contradicts your world view.
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Empirical data being 'anecdotal' is the latest gem from the the resident MSc Math midwit datacel who thinks his degree alone is the answer to every argument. Himself uses every anecdote from a poker game to his MSc degree to his paintball expeditions in a hope that everyone will take him more seriously while he accuses others of indulging incelicious feels and anecdotes because he pretends not to understand very simple phenomena and arguments.
 
You dont have any idea about the merit of these tests done - never mind what the conditions were and the sample size etc, one test apparently is conclusive now - and are talking out of your ass like a libcel boomer Bong uncle who is determined to win an argument in a Calcutta tea shop even if he has to throw common sense out of the window and invent his own definitions of stress, pain, pain tolerance in the process and project by calling anyone who challenges it an incel. Putting sex on a pedestal like it is some valuable currency is peak libcel smear tactic btw uncle incase you didn't know.

Stop pretending to be scientific when you're just behaving like a 'scientism' cultist, especially when you ignore already available research and data just because it contradicts your world view.
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Empirical data being 'anecdotal' is the latest gem from the the resident MSc Math midwit datacel who thinks his degree alone is the answer to every argument. Himself uses every anecdote from a poker game to his MSc degree to his paintball expeditions in a hope that everyone will take him more seriously while he accuses others of indulging incelicious feels and anecdotes because he pretends not to understand very simple phenomena and arguments.
Bear Grylls tried putting men and women in separate camps.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqkzcVJq4b4

Men created a working civilization very quickly while women were sunbathing and passing time. Women couldn't even build a working fire going and kept begging the men to let them use their fire during rain.

Watch the 90 min video above to see how utterly stupid the women are when men don't help them.

When a snake comes up, the men's response is to attack it and the women's response is to blame the snake.

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Bear Grylls tried putting men and women in separate camps.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqkzcVJq4b4

Men created a working civilization very quickly while women were sunbathing and passing time. Women couldn't even build a working fire going and kept begging the men to let them use their fire during rain.

Watch the 90 min video above to see how utterly stupid the women are when men don't help them.

When a snake comes up, the men's response is to attack it and the women's response is to blame the snake.

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I remember this. I think they took it down on tv because of how embarassing it was. :bplease:
 
You dont have any idea about the merit of these tests done - never mind what the conditions were and the sample size etc, one test apparently is conclusive now - and are talking out of your ass like a libcel boomer Bong uncle who is determined to win an argument in a Calcutta tea shop even if he has to throw common sense out of the window and invent his own definitions of stress, pain, pain tolerance in the process and project by calling anyone who challenges it an incel. Putting sex on a pedestal like it is some valuable currency is peak libcel smear tactic btw uncle incase you didn't know.
I ain't a liberal boomer, retarded incel boy who is basically cut paste of his white incel masters of reddit. Unless you hold an equal to or higher degree than an MSc, you do not get to override me on validity of studied, kid.. know your aukaad and zabaan samhalke. You are incel because you are using dehati incel anecdote and then calling it a process and dismissing studies YOU haven't read. So basically being a dishonest moron. Why ??
Stop pretending to be scientific when you're just behaving like a 'scientism' cultist, especially when you ignore already available research and data just because it contradicts your world view.
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Empirical data being 'anecdotal' is the latest gem from the the resident MSc Math midwit datacel who thinks his degree alone is the answer to every argument. Himself uses every anecdote from a poker game to his MSc degree to his paintball expeditions in a hope that everyone will take him more seriously while he accuses others of indulging incelicious feels and anecdotes because he pretends not to understand very simple phenomena and arguments.
Then show me your empirical data. My degree means I get to determine what is valid data set and what isn't, white wannabe bootlicker who talks to elders like western trash kid. Your anecdotes and incel logic is what it is, man up, kiddo.
 
That is not pain tolerance. Duh. That is fear response, mr genius. Pain toelerance is how much pain you can bear. Pain is a stimuli. Stress response isnt the same as fear response. Stress response is ability to make decisions under a stressful condition- there are plenty of pussies around who can handle stress like a champ and vice versa where there are plenty of jigraa dudes who go blood-lust crazy and die coz they cant handle stress either in combat.
This isnt a incel discussion here i am interested to have with tweeners. Either use brain or i will start bringing out Indian uncle chappal & gaali your way, vatz. As i am probably your uncles age as a 40+ dude.
I piss on feminism and have said so in the feminism threat plenty of times. That doesnt mean i am gonna jive with Indian cut-paste of yankee-type incels.
About this topic of pain tolerance and stress tolerance, I'll pitch in with my two paise.

Firstly, why is pain tolerance important?
Are we counting on our soldiers getting shot and keeping quiet or something?

See, if pain tolerance is coming into play, things have gone horribly wrong for the soldier and he/she is probably incapable of participating in further ops till he/she is extracted and fixed. So why are we harping on this point like it has any role in the discussion?

When does pain tolerance come into play? When a soldier gets shot, breaks bones or rips muscles to the point of incapacitation.
All of these are post op emergencies to be dealt with in an evac and how much a soldier grits his teeth and bears pain through it is wholly irrelevant to what his primary role is, i.e, combat.
So this is a genuinely irrelevant point.


Now, we come to stress tolerance. And it's true to a certain extent. Women have marginally better stress tolerance.

Now let's talk about the magnitude of difference between the stress a man will suffer and the stress a woman will suffer in combat. I have a fun experiment. Ask your best buddy to go limp on the floor and then try to put him on a bed. You will struggle but will probably accomplish it within a few minutes of grunting and heaving.

Now, repeat the experiment with you as a dummy and your sister/wife/whichever female agrees to it and see if she even finishes the task.

Multiply the stress and frustration by a hundred and now we see how far you can push women in a combat situation. It's not just about physical exertion or mental exhaustion.
It's both.
The physical stress WILL add significantly to the mental stress and vice versa and it will keep spiraling the longer ops go on for (which in conventional war could mean literal years).
This higher stress tolerance that you speak of is so minute compared to the insane level of difference between the physical capability of a man and a woman that it's like saying we're going to cause water levels to rise because we keep pissing into the ocean.

People here are talking like the women in combat duties will be fulfilling a SWAT team member's role and just roll up to a house, get off their van, shoot the bad guys and then go back to their HQ or something. Start fresh, end fresh, refresh.

That will NOT be it.
It will be so different, it's not even close.
I've lived with four men in a PG and I currently live with my girlfriend. The daily upkeep of a woman's hygiene and needs (not talking of bullshit skincare routines but the fragility of female health) is FAR higher than anything any of those four men had. Not a single one of those guys of which two were morbidly obese needed anything more than food and water to survive and thrive.

The same does not apply to women. Hormone imbalances happen at the drop of a hat. Their body stores fat quicker and longer. Their fitness at their peak is eclipsed by an untrained but active man.

I'm sorry, there is a lot, LOT more to war than just shooting guns at other people with guns.

Subconsciously, all of us know the truth.

Also, I'll talk of morale a little more here, apart from my previous point.
You know, when I was living in Patna and there were fist fights between gangs (wannabes), we would often judge our fellow chapris by their face, size and everything in between.

Do you know how hyena-esque of a laugh riot we would have if we heard a gang of women were coming to fight us? We would refuse solely to avoid causing life altering injuries.

No one takes women in combat seriously (not even a simple stupid fistfight). Outliers and examples from a case of desperation like Kurds or Ukrainians or Jhansi ki Rani notwithstanding, I'm speaking exclusively of current times.
 
About this topic of pain tolerance and stress tolerance, I'll pitch in with my two paise.

Firstly, why is pain tolerance important?
Are we counting on our soldiers getting shot and keeping quiet or something?

See, if pain tolerance is coming into play, things have gone horribly wrong for the soldier and he/she is probably incapable of participating in further ops till he/she is extracted and fixed. So why are we harping on this point like it has any role in the discussion?

When does pain tolerance come into play? When a soldier gets shot, breaks bones or rips muscles to the point of incapacitation.
All of these are post op emergencies to be dealt with in an evac and how much a soldier grits his teeth and bears pain through it is wholly irrelevant to what his primary role is, i.e, combat.
So this is a genuinely irrelevant point.


Now, we come to stress tolerance. And it's true to a certain extent. Women have marginally better stress tolerance.

Now let's talk about the magnitude of difference between the stress a man will suffer and the stress a woman will suffer in combat. I have a fun experiment. Ask your best buddy to go limp on the floor and then try to put him on a bed. You will struggle but will probably accomplish it within a few minutes of grunting and heaving.

Now, repeat the experiment with you as a dummy and your sister/wife/whichever female agrees to it and see if she even finishes the task.

Multiply the stress and frustration by a hundred and now we see how far you can push women in a combat situation. It's not just about physical exertion or mental exhaustion.
It's both.
The physical stress WILL add significantly to the mental stress and vice versa and it will keep spiraling the longer ops go on for (which in conventional war could mean literal years).
This higher stress tolerance that you speak of is so minute compared to the insane level of difference between the physical capability of a man and a woman that it's like saying we're going to cause water levels to rise because we keep pissing into the ocean.

People here are talking like the women in combat duties will be fulfilling a SWAT team member's role and just roll up to a house, get off their van, shoot the bad guys and then go back to their HQ or something. Start fresh, end fresh, refresh.

That will NOT be it.
It will be so different, it's not even close.
I've lived with four men in a PG and I currently live with my girlfriend. The daily upkeep of a woman's hygiene and needs (not talking of bullshit skincare routines but the fragility of female health) is FAR higher than anything any of those four men had. Not a single one of those guys of which two were morbidly obese needed anything more than food and water to survive and thrive.

The same does not apply to women. Hormone imbalances happen at the drop of a hat. Their body stores fat quicker and longer. Their fitness at their peak is eclipsed by an untrained but active man.

I'm sorry, there is a lot, LOT more to war than just shooting guns at other people with guns.

Subconsciously, all of us know the truth.

Also, I'll talk of morale a little more here, apart from my previous point.
You know, when I was living in Patna and there were fist fights between gangs (wannabes), we would often judge our fellow chapris by their face, size and everything in between.

Do you know how hyena-esque of a laugh riot we would have if we heard a gang of women were coming to fight us? We would refuse solely to avoid causing life altering injuries.

No one takes women in combat seriously (not even a simple stupid fistfight). Outliers and examples from a case of desperation like Kurds or Ukrainians or Jhansi ki Rani notwithstanding, I'm speaking exclusively of current times.
Funny thing is, I already mentioned in my first post that pain tolerance is largely irrelevant in modern war as we don't have any roles of war that requires one to just tough it out, like a galley rower.

As for stress, the main advantage of being better at stress management, is being in a command position - ie, decision maker. Ie, mid rung to upper rung officer class. I also said that women don't belong in frontline combat roles. So why are you addressing me on what I have already said ?!
 
Funny thing is, I already mentioned in my first post that pain tolerance is largely irrelevant in modern war as we don't have any roles of war that requires one to just tough it out, like a galley rower.

As for stress, the main advantage of being better at stress management, is being in a command position - ie, decision maker. Ie, mid rung to upper rung officer class. I also said that women don't belong in frontline combat roles. So why are you addressing me on what I have already said ?!
I don't see how mid rung to upper rung officer class who have never faced frontline combat can be any more useful than MoD Babus.

Would also be fun to see how many soldiers place their trust in someone utterly untested in combat in a command role. Lt. Colonels at the tail end of their career at that rank in India occasionally participate in combat ops. Sometimes, so do Colonels.

Do we really want high rankers who have never faced combat leading troops in it?

There's already a disconnect between the officer class and soldier class. Won't this widen it further?
Newly minted officers who fail to perform get ostracized by their jawans. You can ask any serving or retired officer about it. Why would a Jawan even bother with a Colonel who hasn't been on a two way range?

Then throw in the issue with unit cohesion where the female officer will blame sexism and the male soldier will blame inexperience.
There's will be a bunch of cascading issues which probably can't even be predicted with moves like these.
 
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I don't see how mid rung to upper rung officer class who have never faced frontline combat can be any more useful than MoD Babus.

Would also be fun to see how many soldiers place their trust in someone utterly untested in combat in a command role. Lt. Colonels at the tail end of their career at that rank in India occasionally participate in combat ops. Sometimes, so do Colonels.

Do we really want high rankers who have never faced combat leading troops in it?

There's already a disconnect between the officer class and soldier class. Won't this widen it further?
Newly minted officers who fail to perform get ostracized by their jawans. You can ask any serving or retired officer about it. Why would a Jawan even bother with a Colonel who hasn't been on a two way range?
Orey bhai, IAF or IN are not frontline combat arms of the military. As I said already, in army the role is limited to logistics and medical/engineering/ administrative/police corps. In navy or air force their roles are more extensive. Again, I have already said this.
 
Orey bhai, IAF or IN are not frontline combat arms of the military. As I said already, in army the role is limited to logistics and medical/engineering/ administrative/police corps. In navy or air force their roles are more extensive. Again, I have already said this.
That makes a lot more sense. Thanks.
 
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