DRDO and PSUs

I already listed money thing in previous comments when I replied to shade

My comment was to tell you that the current constellation we are biulding is not the same( money limits) as the constellation planned by US and China when you answered the question posed by shade by sharing link of 52 approved sats.

nah, i prefer not to waste time on "missing tile" syndrome. there will always be plenty of things that are not happening. i'd prefer to bring info into the convo, about things that are happening or are likely to happen.
 
nah, i prefer not to waste time on "missing tile" syndrome. there will always be plenty of things that are not happening. i'd prefer to bring info into the convo, about things that are happening or are likely to happen.
The fuck?
You literally shared a link To answer his answer.
Which gives "wrong impression" about info of things that are actually happening.

It's like a person asking a question do we have plans to make a 15k ton cruiser in future?
And you share a link of approval of 4k ton frigate as an answer.
Atleast learn to answer correctly or add a line.
Like "This is our plan for now"
" this is what we can afford for now" etc.


Aur Pata nahi Kaun Kaun se naye syndrome paida hote ja Rahe Hai internet pe.
 

Imgine launching satellite guided swarm of BVR's from stealth Bombers/fighters without turning on their Radar. Its a nightmare for countries like Pakistan which have narrower geography. Their assets in air will be targeted by stealthy in air jets from beyond border. Almost impossible to detect all of those BVR's and evade before they reach their target.
 
Imgine launching satellite guided swarm of BVR's from stealth Bombers/fighters without turning on their Radar. Its a nightmare for countries like Pakistan which have narrower geography. Their assets in air will be targeted by stealthy in air jets from beyond border. Almost impossible to detect all of those BVR's and evade before they reach their target.
Bhaijaan, that company has partnered with some German UNDSTEINGER-MISTEINGER company for this technology.
Do, you think germans will give us this important technology? I have huge doubt though.
 
Bhaijaan, that company has partnered with some German UNDSTEINGER-MISTEINGER company for this technology.
Do, you think germans will give us this important technology? I have huge doubt though.
We have the tech and base for future development.
Don't need Germans in this field.
Infact 50+ surveillance satellites are approved already.
And drdo is working on AI based surveillance sats, and 50 of those are also expected to enter service by 2030.
Tho Not comparable to 1000+ observation sat constellation of US and China planned.

Unlike jet engines, Tech ain't a problem for us in this field.
 
Drdo is along working on 50+ new "AI" powered surveillance satellite.
So total 100 planned for now.
But as said, the no. Of planned satellites Is two low for the type of capabilities were talking about here.
US military already have 240+ satellite with 100-150 being surveillance ones.
They plan for 1000+ future AI powered surveillance satellites for 24/7 coverage Including 24/7 capability to not just detect but also track fighter jet movement anywhere in china and pacific ocean and still having significant satellites focused on other parts of the world, while also being highly redundant to ASAT weapons due to sheer no.



In case of India 400+ is needed to have "same" capabilities but localised in China, pakistan, India and indian ocean region.
Plus 1000s of communication sats like startlink has.

50 sar satellites with most of them in low earth orbit gives u revisit time of maybe under an hour

best case , we can take image of same location every 1 hour .

right now worse case scenario it will be in days . which is why we have to rely on US satellites

lets just be happy for the progress.
 
50 sar satellites with most of them in low earth orbit gives u revisit time of maybe under an hour

best case , we can take image of same location every 1 hour .

right now worse case scenario it will be in days . which is why we have to rely on US satellites

lets just be happy for the progress.
That's why I said it can't be compared to 1000s of planned future surveillance sat constellation of US(Proliferated leo) and China(guowang) which should be able to maintain continous track of even flying fighter jets in formations with revists of under 10s and using AI based real time processing.
Potentially even capable of guiding missiles against relatively slower aerial targets are awacs/tankers.


But even with just 50 sats, if we use most of them for just 1 target, we can maintain constant track of slow moving targets like aircraft carrier group with revisit time of few minutes.
Enough to guide and provide midcourse update to anti ship missiles which will primary use INERTIAL navigation to target the said carrier groups latest position that was feeded into it till it gets close enough for its own seeker to start.
( though our LR-ASHM in development doesn't need continous track, just initial position data and it get close enough in 3-6 minutes so that the deviation in position of ships is well within managed range of its own seeker, but missiles like chinese df21 need satellite based updates )

Plus with 50 sats if most concentrated on 1 target we can even detect the incoming fighter strike packages and their location with revisit of minutes, We don't need to spread them to cover whole region 24/7.

Tho no guarantee that just because we can, it will be used in this way, or the systems on board the sats we are lunching are capable of this level of data sharing and tracking.
 
Imgine launching satellite guided swarm of BVR's from stealth Bombers/fighters without turning on their Radar. Its a nightmare for countries like Pakistan which have narrower geography. Their assets in air will be targeted by stealthy in air jets from beyond border. Almost impossible to detect all of those BVR's and evade before they reach their target.
Bhai thoda thannd rakhoo josh main mat aooo, hmare yaha dushman jada hai, firghter jet too banne nahin de rahe......yeh too bahut dur ki baat hai
 
Bhaijaan, that company has partnered with some German UNDSTEINGER-MISTEINGER company for this technology.
Do, you think germans will give us this important technology? I have huge doubt though.
This is huge, nobody will give this technology.

This is the problem . we dont belive ourself that we can develp the high end technology.

Please give congrats where it is due.
 
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An old graph of shauyra missile, for members who are not aware.
See the selected part written as hypersonic glide.
This trajectory reduces it's max range to just 700 from max range of "1800km using ballistic then depressed+Maneuver( evasive manurvers) in terminal phase".
In 700km max range mode its flies only depressed+manurable trajectory at an altitude of 40km at hypersonic speeds

Now, do you know what else flies at depressed trajectory with good manurability at an altitude of 30-50km with hypersonic speed?
The future Scramjet powered hypersonic cruise missile, which is all the rage as the latest/future missile tech.

So our shaurya missile in terms of speed, detection, difficultly to intercept is already in the league to HCM when it flies in 700km max range trajectory.
( now you may wonder why are we then developing scram jet, the answer is efficiency, an airbreathing scramjet will be lot more efficient than rocket motor, so lot more range in same size/weight missile or similar range with smaller missile).
But HCM are hyped due to their
1, depressed trajectory that makes them harder to detect.
2, ablility to manurable and not have predictable path( unlike ballistic and quasi ballistic missiles)
3, and do both of these at "hypersonic speed"( subsonic and supersonic missiles can do both 1 and 2 both but limited by speed, also supersonic and subsonic missile can fly at even more depressed trajectory, and can even do sea skimming).
And shaurya in depressed mode can do all three of these.
In depressed trajectory shaurya Is basically a land attack hypersonic cruise missile( cruise part is a flight characteristics not a method of propulsion) with max range of 700km, and we had this missile for more than a decade.

Also, from wikipedia.
"On 3 October 2020, DRDO successfully test-fired an advanced version of the Shaurya with an 800km range from Balasore as part of user trials."
Max range of just 800km means they are talking about depressed trajectory.


This also questions, the definition of hypersonic cruise missiles, for general public it became synonyms with scramjet engine.
But again scram jet is just a method of propulsion to reach hypersonic speed and cruise at that speed, you can do the same with rocket motor( tho as said before efficiency is lot worse).
So currently we can create subcategories of hypersonic cruise missiles.
HCM-RP( rocket powered) And HCM-AB( air breathing aka, scramjet in this case).


So again, we already possessed A land attack HCM with max range of 700-800km for more than a decade.

Also russian hypersonic zircon, from the pics released and leaked doesn't seem to have any air intake, and I'm 90% sure it's rocket powered.
Plus it's dimensions are similar to shaurya and max range is Said to be 1000km, which further bolster my suspension of it being rocket powered HCM( a scramjet powered missile of that size should have lot more range)
Though unlike shaurya which is land attack, zircon is antiship( thrust vectoring, seeker, smaller warhead) tho can be used for land attack.
( now 1000km range seems good for ships based anti ship missiles but if Russians used scramjet they could have made a smaller missile with similar range as zircon, so more missiles could be fitted on the ship)

IN terms of dimensions both shaurya and zircon are slighly longer and slightly thicker than brahmos( tho both should be lot heavier because brahmos has airbreathing ramjet engine, while shaurya and zircon both need to carry all the fuel inside)

And if we want to we can develop a anti ship HCM-RP similar to zircon using shaurya as a base.
LR-ASHM from land to ship
Shurya based HCM from ship to ship.

Along with working on its own scramjet China seems to be going the route of making anti ship varient of its df17 HGV( anti ship varient tested already, tho in service ones are land attack only, for now)
And doublking down on its df21 ballistic anti ship hypersonic missile.( very hard to intercept also but very hard to make it accurate enough to hit ships, plus needs to fire lots of missiles just for good probability of hit due to lack of accuracy, plus need to be supported by dedicated kill chains comprised of satellites, ground and aerial radars and all these are very expensive and also vunrable to enemy attacks both cyber and physical )


Our recently tested LR-ASHM is also a HCM-RP, thought drdo calls it "glide vehicle".

Drdo also called the trajectory of shaurya as hypersonic "glide".
But the trajectories of both these missiles seems identical to trajectories of HCM rather than trajectories of HGV's.
Plus both do not generate enough lift to be called a HGV like Russians Avangard or chinese dfzf HGV.


The only benifit of scramjet in HCM over rocket motor is it being "lot more efficienct".
But there are lots of difficulties to overcome to get the benifit of efficiency.

1, scramjet itself difficult to develop while rocket motors are already present and decades of experience with these motors.

2, even if scramjet is developed designing a missile around it is also lot more difficult, with rocket motors you can just put them in back and have rest of frontal space available for fuel and sensors a design that had been used for decades.



lastly in 2020 north korea also seemed to tested a two stage" land attack rocket powered missile" and description of the trajectory makes it look similar to similar to HCM-RP, so once you take away the "scramjet" aspect of HCM, they become lot more easier to develop, the only downside being significant reduction in efficiency.
But that missile is land based( size is not that big of a problem) and korean peninsula is small so range will be more than sufficient,Like our land based anti ship LR-ASHM gives already 1500+km max range( NK one is land attack varient)
And shaurya in "hypersonic glide" mode already gives 700-800km range.
With zircon having ~1000km.


So if size and range are sufficient for you/ meets the requirements, then HCM-RP is better choice than HCM-AB

And if you wanna know, why HCM are so much hyped.
This is a good video

View: https://youtu.be/AT7y94mb-eA?si=JFKN06VuDkEWquo_




So we are actually the *1ST* country to biuld a HCM( in terms of difficulty to intercept, As HCM are hyped due to how much harder it is to intercept them, right now nobody in the world has air defense who have good/decent chances to intercept HCM, tho US has made the most progress in developing that type of air defense).
As for scramjet engine, US is leading in that, with India being not far behind.
 
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This is huge, nobody will give this technology.

This is the problem . we dont belive ourself that we can develp the high end technology.

Please give congrats where it is due.
So, Azista is pharma and nutrition company that has entered into venture with german space technologies limited in STRATEGIC partnership to develop satellites.

The BST here, that is Berlin Space Technologies openly says that it is there to hep emerging space faring nations to develop constellation of satellites.

I say, it is like Azista gave financial resources and BST gave technologies, typical Indian companies attitude in this "new in industry play method" in the times of push by BJP for Aatmanirbhar bharat.

Let's hope Azista get this technology, because this is real deal, really.
 
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So, Azista is pharma and nutrition company that has entered into venture with german space technologies limited in STRATEGIC partnership to develop satellites.

The BST here that is Berlin Space Technologies openly says that it is there to hep emerging space faring nations to develop constellation of satellites.

I say, it is like Azista gave financial resources and BST gave technologies, typical Indian companies attitude in this new in industry play method in the times of push by BJP for Aatmanirbhar bharat.

Let's hope Azista get this technology, because this is real deal, really.
what ever be the case, no body will give this technology
 
Can any of you guys tell me what happened to our UAV projects?

What happened to CATS warrior? Did it fly

What happened to HALE drone program

What happened to Archer NG the prototype was ready afaik
 
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An old graph of shauyra missile, for members who are not aware.
See the selected part written as hypersonic glide.
This trajectory reduces it's max range to just 700 from max range of "1800km using ballistic then depressed+Maneuver( evasive manurvers) in terminal phase".
In 700km max range mode its flies only depressed+manurable trajectory at an altitude of 40km at hypersonic speeds

Now, do you know what else flies at depressed trajectory with good manurability at an altitude of 30-50km with hypersonic speed?
The future Scramjet powered hypersonic cruise missile, which is all the rage as the latest/future missile tech.

So our shaurya missile in terms of speed, detection, difficultly to intercept is already in the league to HCM when it flies in 700km max range trajectory.
( now you may wonder why are we then developing scram jet, the answer is efficiency, an airbreathing scramjet will be lot more efficient than rocket motor, so lot more range in same size/weight missile or similar range with smaller missile).
But HCM are hyped due to their
1, depressed trajectory that makes them harder to detect.
2, ablility to manurable and not have predictable path( unlike ballistic and quasi ballistic missiles)
3, and do both of these at "hypersonic speed"( subsonic and supersonic missiles can do both 1 and 2 both but limited by speed, also supersonic and subsonic missile can fly at even more depressed trajectory, and can even do sea skimming).
And shaurya in depressed mode can do all three of these.
In depressed trajectory shaurya Is basically a land attack hypersonic cruise missile( cruise part is a flight characteristics not a method of propulsion) with max range of 700km, and we had this missile for more than a decade.

Also, from wikipedia.
"On 3 October 2020, DRDO successfully test-fired an advanced version of the Shaurya with an 800km range from Balasore as part of user trials."
Max range of just 800km means they are talking about depressed trajectory.


This also questions, the definition of hypersonic cruise missiles, for general public it became synonyms with scramjet engine.
But again scram jet is just a method of propulsion to reach hypersonic speed and cruise at that speed, you can do the same with rocket motor( tho as said before efficiency is lot worse).
So currently we can create subcategories of hypersonic cruise missiles.
HCM-RP( rocket powered) And HCM-AB( air breathing aka, scramjet in this case).


So again, we already possessed A land attack HCM with max range of 700-800km for more than a decade.

Also russian hypersonic zircon, from the pics released and leaked doesn't seem to have any air intake, and I'm 90% sure it's rocket powered.
Plus it's dimensions are similar to shaurya and max range is Said to be 1000km, which further bolster my suspension of it being rocket powered HCM( a scramjet powered missile of that size should have lot more range)
Though unlike shaurya which is land attack, zircon is antiship( thrust vectoring, seeker, smaller warhead) tho can be used for land attack.
( now 1000km range seems good for ships based anti ship missiles but if Russians used scramjet they could have made a smaller missile with similar range as zircon, so more missiles could be fitted on the ship)

IN terms of dimensions both shaurya and zircon are slighly longer and slightly thicker than brahmos( tho both should be lot heavier because brahmos has airbreathing ramjet engine, while shaurya and zircon both need to carry all the fuel inside)

And if we want to we can develop a anti ship HCM-RP similar to zircon using shaurya as a base.
LR-ASHM from land to ship
Shurya based HCM from ship to ship.

Along with working on its own scramjet China seems to be going the route of making anti ship varient of its df17 HGV( anti ship varient tested already, tho in service ones are land attack only, for now)
And doublking down on its df21 ballistic anti ship hypersonic missile.( very hard to intercept also but very hard to make it accurate enough to hit ships, plus needs to fire lots of missiles just for good probability of hit due to lack of accuracy, plus need to be supported by dedicated kill chains comprised of satellites, ground and aerial radars and all these are very expensive and also vunrable to enemy attacks both cyber and physical )


Our recently tested LR-ASHM is also a HCM-RP, thought drdo calls it "glide vehicle".

Drdo also called the trajectory of shaurya as hypersonic "glide".
But the trajectories of both these missiles seems identical to trajectories of HCM rather than trajectories of HGV's.
Plus both do not generate enough lift to be called a HGV like Russians Avangard or chinese dfzf HGV.


The only benifit of scramjet in HCM over rocket motor is it being "lot more efficienct".
But there are lots of difficulties to overcome to get the benifit of efficiency.

1, scramjet itself difficult to develop while rocket motors are already present and decades of experience with these motors.

2, even if scramjet is developed designing a missile around it is also lot more difficult, with rocket motors you can just put them in back and have rest of frontal space available for fuel and sensors a design that had been used for decades.



lastly in 2020 north korea also seemed to tested a two stage" land attack rocket powered missile" and description of the trajectory makes it look similar to similar to HCM-RP, so once you take away the "scramjet" aspect of HCM, they become lot more easier to develop, the only downside being significant reduction in efficiency.
But that missile is land based( size is not that big of a problem) and korean peninsula is small so range will be more than sufficient,Like our land based anti ship LR-ASHM gives already 1500+km max range( NK one is land attack varient)
And shaurya in "hypersonic glide" mode already gives 700-800km range.
With zircon having ~1000km.


So if size and range are sufficient for you/ meets the requirements, then HCM-RP is better choice than HCM-AB

And if you wanna know, why HCM are so much hyped.
This is a good video

View: https://youtu.be/AT7y94mb-eA?si=JFKN06VuDkEWquo_




So we are actually the *1ST* country to biuld a HCM( in terms of difficulty to intercept, As HCM are hyped due to how much harder it is to intercept them, right now nobody in the world has air defense who have good/decent chances to intercept HCM, tho US has made the most progress in developing that type of air defense).
As for scramjet engine, US is leading in that, with India being not far behind.

Are BSDK waalo itna bada khulasa Kiya Hai kuch to read karna seekh lo.
Lengthy paragraph dekhe sab ignore Marne lagte.
 
Can any of you guys tell me what happened to our UAV projects?

What happened to CATS warrior? Did it fly

What happened to HALE drone program

What happened to Archer NG the prototype was ready afaik
No latest news.
But it's only been few months.
 

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