Pahalgam Islamic Terror Attack

srev2004 said:
In the first example, Iran responded to US within 48 hours.

In the next two, US responded within 48 hours
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I do not know why you are posting all this here. If it was not evident already, the incumbent holds those OROP genrols and import bahadurs in a very low regard - UN air force had to do one job back in 2019 and they fucked up. This is a major reason why the incumbent would continue to hesitate before taking kinetic retaliations.
 
crazywithmath said:
I do not know why you are posting all this here. If it was not evident already, the incumbent holds those import loving OROP genrols in a very low regard - UN air force had to do one job back in 2019 and they fucked up. This is a major reason why the incumbent would continue to hesitate before taking kinetic retaliations.
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Hence my proposal to switch to offensive cadence. Attacking Pakistan unprovoked instead of responses to their unprovoked firing.

My biggest heartburn is “Pakistan starts unprovoked firing on India. India responds with befitting reply.”

These types of headlines indicate that we don’t have the initiative Pakistan does. We optimize for normalcy as much as possible.
 
Srinivas said:
Soviets were fighting far away from their home land.
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And Soviets didn’t have the option to launch a full-scale war against the United States—but we do have the option to launch a full-scale war on Pakistan, to invade and disintegrate it. We’ve done it in the past, and we can do it again today.
 
srev2004 said:
Some examples:

Following the US airstrike that killed Qasem Soleimani, the Iranian government responded with a missile attack on US bases in Iraq within 48 hours.
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And? which targets did the missile attack kill?
President of US?
VP?
probably a cabinet secretary?
May be a senator?
or a colonel?

Are you suggesting we also send couple of missiles into Pak and call it a day?

I thought you wanted to send "brigades" in 48 hours.

So, give an example of US, the strongest country on earth sending "brigades" into another country with in 48 hours of being attacked?
 
Ultraman said:
800 soldiers died during operation parakram

atleast some lessons were learned there




after all this drama , hope to god modiji doesnt just fire a few arty rounds across loc and claim victory.
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Are there any sources which confirm the number of Pakistani casualties during Operation Parakram? OP was in response to the attack on the Indian parliament in Dec 2001, and probably also the bombing of the Kashmir provincial assembly in Oct 2001. It would be hard to believe all that mobilisation occurred without some major retaliation to Pak sponsored terrorism.
 
Varoon4 said:
Are there any sources which confirm the number of Pakistani casualties during Operation Parakram? OP was in response to the attack on the Indian parliament in Dec 2001, and probably also the bombing of the Kashmir provincial assembly in Oct 2001. It would be hard to believe all that mobilisation occurred without some major retaliation to Pak sponsored terrorism.
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All sources on OP casualties will list a mix of casualties from:
Ci/ct ops (this is most of them)
Mine Laying Operayions
Cross border infiltrations Bids and Firing between pakis and indians.
 
Varoon4 said:
Are there any sources which confirm the number of Pakistani casualties during Operation Parakram? OP was in response to the attack on the Indian parliament in Dec 2001, and probably also the bombing of the Kashmir provincial assembly in Oct 2001. It would be hard to believe all that mobilisation occurred without some major retaliation to Pak sponsored terrorism.
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There were raids launched at that time that were never publicized.
 
Ajatshatru said:
A full-fledged war with Pakistan is the only way to put an end to these terrorist attacks. Pakistan knows it can never win Kashmir through conventional warfare, but if India doesn’t act decisively, these Pakistan-sponsored terrorist groups will continue working to ensure Kashmir secedes from India. Remember, even the Soviet Union was fragmented through the use of terror groups.
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Full fledged war as ageressor is no good diplomatically there are many different

Things that can be done

At Strategic level

And India navy can
Do if ordered
 
this blatant homofag and MoD mouthpiece seems to be correct about things this time


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Just putting this out there - prior to our imminent strikes on Pakistan - specifically our weaknesses

1 India’s great weakness, historically, has been escalation prognostications (how will they respond) & de-escalation pathways (essentially what war termination would entail)

2 the other great weakness in India is that we think debilitating strikes on Pakistani capabilities are enough - they are not. Pakistanis only learn from public humiliation

3 Then we have this thing where every branch of the military wants its share of glory. Therefore if IAF & IN are chosen for the strike, IA will put pressure to get a share of the fighting even if it’s suboptimal messaging. As a rule ground fighting is far messier than naval & air combat

Given all this, our goal is essentially to hit pakistan hard & public, but to minimise Pakistan’s response. That requires preemptive elimination of Pakistan’s offensive capabilities. You see the conundrum here? In order to minimise their response we either have to minimise or maximise our response - nothing in between.

Assume their response is high casualty event, what do we do? Knit sweaters? This is where our traditionally bad escalation prognostications go bad. You’ll have to re-respond & that’s where things spiral.

Obviously we may pull off something highly calibrated, but keep this at the back of your minds when we do hit pakistan in the coming weeks. Personally I see a 60-70 percent chance of spiralling.


Apr 25, 2025 · 7:36 AM UTC
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WARREN SS said:
Full fledged war as ageressor is no good diplomatically there are many different

Things that can be done

At Strategic level

And India navy can
Do if ordered
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A nuclear attack will kill you in an instant, without pain—but over 100,000 Kashmiri Hindus were brutally slaughtered in 1990. Yet, some people in India still believe we are not at war with Pakistan and that war isn’t an option simply because both nations have nuclear weapons. But I can’t recall the last time a Pakistani missile killed 30 people in India—unlike terrorists who have, time and again: in Kashmir, in the 26/11 Mumbai attacks that took over 300 lives, in train bombings, temple blasts, and many more such tragedies.
 
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