Pahalgam Islamic Terror Attack

[Patriots]

View: https://x.com/JaipurDialogues/status/1916509875871363252

 

[The Shrike]

For some unknown reason, all three defense chiefs were given the lousiest cars as their official vehicles

An older Tata Safari for COAS and the horrible Maruti Ciaz for AF and Navy

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This was CDS Bipin Rawat's official vehicle

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Hope they get atleast some basic bullet proof protected vehicles. The number plate is cringe TBH.

 

[Patriots]

View: https://x.com/NewsArenaIndia/status/1916522895779508574

 

[Knowitall]

He meets the BSF and Army chief now he goes to Modi. I am guessing this is the final go now.

 

[Cheepek]

Any guess whats cooking in the background, as soon as they finished talks with India, they call pak foreign secratary. Are they preaching maintain maximum restraint mantra. Yesterday Iran, today UK , UAE list goes on

Countries that have some say in Paxtan might call them and ask them to co-operate. Maybe telling them that India is serious. Pakis will say, yes we'll cooperate, we don't war, yada yada yada. And that's it to it.
Normal diplomatic activities. I don't think any country has any sway that can change the course anymore.

 

[MarDePopins]

Latest New york times article which mentions india potential imminent strike

India Seems to Be Building Its Case for Striking Pakistan - The New York TimesSince the horrific terrorist attack in Kashmir last week, the Indian prime minister, Narendra Modi, has spoken on the phone with more than a dozen world leaders. Diplomats from 100 missions in India’s capital have filed into the foreign ministry for briefings, officials said.nytimes.com

India Seems to Be Building Its Case for Striking Pakistan

As world powers face multiple crises, the one set off by a terror attack in Kashmir is getting scant attention or help in de-escalating between nuclear-armed neighbors.

www.nytimes.com

 

[spikey360]

If there is an iota of shame left, we should sign the MRFA for 114 Rafales or Su57s or F35s - whichever can be expedited. Minor qualitative differences don't matter given HAL will take another 40 years on 5th gen. 5th gen is preferred but 4.5 v/s 5th is just semantics considering our current situation. Let's get the numbers up first.

Mass order the self-propelled arty and MBRLs - ATAGS, VAJRA, Pinaka and whatever others.

Mass order stealth cruisers and destroyers carrying cruise missiles and ASMs.

Stop all SOPs and freebie schemes to fund it. Turn this around in the next decade or just STFU and watch this country dither away which is already moth eaten by demographic changes.

Then I wake up and smell my coffee

I still remember the fateful day when an arrogant IAF walked out of PAK-FA deal citing bogus reasons.

 

[Ajayant Tripathi]

All the mobilization Porkis are making is going to cost them a lot. I say we take our own sweet time to decide when we have to bomb the shit out of them. Few people here might disagree with me, but I say even if the attack happens after 100 days I am okay with it. We need to rise the cost of conflict for them. For 100 days they cannot be on high alert and have their air force and navy on combat patrol. That will bleed them like anything. Even the Chinese couldn't hold on in Himalayas even if that was due to just weather. Still a country barely hanging onto a thread cannot keep up high alert levels for 100 days.

If the attack happens let's say at the end of August, we will also have a advantage with respect to our Eastern border. Winter will start to set in and Chinese would not dare to do anything stupid either given the harsh weather conditions. 1971 war was fought in December which is peak winter in Himalayas. Until then I am okay with our forces fine tuning their strategy and getting their shit in order. It will give our side enough to watch their moments and strike when they least expect it.

This is just my opinion. I would love to see anyone can see the flaw in my argument and rebut it.

Very sensible take. I also hope we remember it and take our sweet time to avenge. We have the discretion to choose. Why not put it to full use.

We should really fight in peak Winter or during monsoon when we can flood them. In meantime we should do some preparatory earthwork too on those new sources of water. I am very very excited about them.

 

[spikey360]

Latest New york times article which mentions india potential imminent strike

India Seems to Be Building Its Case for Striking Pakistan - The New York TimesSince the horrific terrorist attack in Kashmir last week, the Indian prime minister, Narendra Modi, has spoken on the phone with more than a dozen world leaders. Diplomats from 100 missions in India’s capital have filed into the foreign ministry for briefings, officials said.nytimes.com

India Seems to Be Building Its Case for Striking Pakistan

As world powers face multiple crises, the one set off by a terror attack in Kashmir is getting scant attention or help in de-escalating between nuclear-armed neighbors.

www.nytimes.com

The problem is, the more we delay, the more the element of surprise is lost, the more chance for greater casualties on our side.
We could have delivered a pin prick to the heart had we been a bit more prompt, but now, nothing less than a sledgehammer to the chest will be delivered.

 

[Adibot]

The problem is, the more we delay, the more the element of surprise is lost, the more chance for greater casualties on our side.
We could have delivered a pin prick to the heart had we been a bit more prompt, but now, nothing less than a sledgehammer to the chest will be delivered.

Man
I just hope denuclearisation of Pakistan happens
Can't let these vermins threaten us with nukes anymore

 

[Not So Dravidan]

Something should happen tonight, or maximum by tomorrow night.

1.)President is back today
a.) Assures no worries about the safety of her plane en route Delhi
b.) She can issue necessary orders being CIC

2.)Flurry of meetings today, seemingly ominious
a.) With Talibs & Afghans
b) CDS with RM
c) DG BSF with RM
d) RM with PM
e) Many many more that i would have missed


3.)Kind of sweet spot in terms of timing.
a.) Time enough to activate well established plans, swiftly move pieces in place
b.) Emergency help arrived from friendlies
c.) Enemy expected immediate retaliation - window closed, or expects in 10-12 days as per previous patterns - precede that. Slight element of surprise. They would still be expecting us to test their defences for another few days before actual attack
d.) Emotions still raw - troops would be charged up and baying for blood.


Of course, this is conjecture and could be spectacularly wrong

hope ur right. Pakis have started to activate Skardu and Sharif.

 

[haldilal]

View: https://x.com/RT_com/status/1916413868672241672

 

[Ajayant Tripathi]

And you know the sad part...

It's not like we don't have the money. This year the IA/MOD returned 12500 crores from their budget because they (apparently) couldn't spend it.

Defence Ministry to return Rs 12,500 crore unused funds amid procurement delays

The Centre allocated Rs 6,81,210 crore for the defence budget for 2025-26, up from last year's outlay of Rs 6,21,940 crore. However, the Defence Ministry is expected to return Rs 12,500 crore from its 2024-25 budget due to delays in the procurement process.

www.indiatoday.in

I mean, Armasen Tactical Plate carriers cost ~4,000 INR. If we bought 5,00,000 pieces, then it costs 2,000 crores.

With plenty left for NVG's, Integrated knee pad trousers, ballistic helmets, camo paint, sights for battle rifles etc etc etc..

Just for half of that money returned, we could have modernized our SF and frontline troops and the remaining maybe use it on procuring artillery and heavy weaponry. These are all short term procurement stuff and should've been done easily.

Exactly, We are no longer capital starved. Money is not the problem anymore. Nor is the human resource. Currently our bottleneck is execution because of the bygone era work culture.

 

[Knowitall]

View: https://x.com/newsarenaindia/status/1916505138916663708?s=46

 

[Ajayant Tripathi]

Has been since Kargil days. Nearly 3 decades and it has not been addressed. Pussyfooting at best!! God forbid, if LAC heats up, I cant imagine the beating we 'll take. Previous govts have been imbeciles but our maha purush "sashakt bharat" wala seems to have done woeful ittle about it in 12 years!! Dont even get me started on MRFA. If not for Parrikar we wouldn't have those precious 36 Rafales either.

The chandigarh lobby killed parrikar and rawat. The maha purush is let down by these imbeciles who just know how to show up at a golf course.

 

[MasterChief]

Not possible with Pakistan and anger in India is different, it's now final that we will surely respond it's the only reason Pakistan is mobilizing that much armed forces and equipment to border, they were already pinched by funds but now they have to spend mobilizing.

Only question is when we will take action, we never take performative strikes, if you have some anecdotes then please mention.

The 2016 strike was performative, in the sense that India conducted raids similar to what were conducted many times in the past, but with the difference that GOI went public with the cross loc strike.. This had a psychological effect on Pakistan Army, although the damage itself was minimal. This created deterrence for 3 years.

Then, after a bigger attack in Pulwama, India had to up the ante with another public strike. India did with a strike on internationally recognised Pakistani territory in Balakote.. Now although there is not enough hard satellite evidence (except pixelation errors confused as missile entry points.. as we see black squares on the edge of the roof, in an exact straight line, that appear on expanding a low resolution satellite image ).. even if a number of terrorists were killed, the damage was not extensive in the sense that these were expendables.. The real message was in the fact that India had for the first time conducted an air strike on the sovereign territory of another nuclear power.. So, this was also in a sense performative, as there was no crippling damage to the Pakistani military machine. But, yes, this restored some deterrence and it held until the gruesome killings of Baisaran..

Now, for India to restore deterrence the conventional strike will have to be a lot harder than 2016 or Balakote.. It would have to be psychologically crippling for the Pakistan Army..

 

[jaishrikrishna]

View: https://x.com/indian_armada/status/1916394221109473543

Typical boorish Punjabi

 

[spikey360]

Man
I just hope denuclearisation of Pakistan happens
Can't let these vermins threaten us with nukes anymore

De-fanging operations cannot be done with the air force we have. It will require legitimate stealth bombers and also coordinated strikes, including decoy teams from various directions.
If we do de-fanging, we have to rope in the Israelis, who are experts at such things. Furthermore, Unca Shyam has to be taken into confidence, am quite sure Dolund would also like Pakistan de-fanged and boast about his "great jets" which took part and "led" the "overwhelmingly successful" operations.
In short - de-nuclearisation/de-fanging op is almost off the table - am almost sure.

The max that India will do is vaporise all known terror camps, through a sustained bombing campaign.

 

[notaname]

The 2016 strike was performative, in the sense that India conducted raids similar to what were conducted many times in the past, but with the difference that GOI went public with the cross loc strike.. This created deterrence for 3 years.

Then, after a bigger attack in Pulwama, India had to up the ante with another public strike. India did with a strike on internationally recognised Pakistani territory in Balakote.. Now although there is not enough hard satellite evidence (except pixelation errors confused as missile entry points.. as we see black squares on the edge of the roof, in an exact straight line, that appear on expanding a low resolution satellite image ).. even if a number of terrorists were killed, the damage was not extensive in the sense that these were expendables.. The real message was in the fact that India had for the first time conducted an air strike on the sovereign territory of another nuclear power.. So, this was also in a sense performative, as there was no crippling damage to the Pakistani military machine. But, yes, this restored some deterrence and it held until the gruesome killings of Baisaran..

Now, for India to restore deterrence the conventional strike will have to be a lot harder than 2016 or Balakote.. It would have to be psychologically crippling for the Pakistan Army..

Ok you meant performative like that, I took it like only for the show not for deterrence, but from whatever I could understand by seeing all previous strikes and actions.

This time particularly is different either it is psy ops or we are going for a final show and this will be sustained for longer and will provide us longer deterrence than whatever we had till now.

 

[haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars