Pahalgam Islamic Terror Attack

jor_se_bolo_pkmkb said:
Something should happen tonight, or maximum by tomorrow night.

1.)President is back today
a.) Assures no worries about the safety of her plane en route Delhi
b.) She can issue necessary orders being CIC

2.)Flurry of meetings today, seemingly ominious
a.) With Talibs & Afghans
b) CDS with RM
c) DG BSF with RM
d) RM with PM
e) Many many more that i would have missed


3.)Kind of sweet spot in terms of timing.
a.) Time enough to activate well established plans, swiftly move pieces in place
b.) Emergency help arrived from friendlies
c.) Enemy expected immediate retaliation - window closed, or expects in 10-12 days as per previous patterns - precede that. Slight element of surprise. They would still be expecting us to test their defences for another few days before actual attack
d.) Emotions still raw - troops would be charged up and baying for blood.


Of course, this is conjecture and could be spectacularly wrong
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hope ur right. Pakis have started to activate Skardu and Sharif.
 
sameer said:
And you know the sad part...

It's not like we don't have the money. This year the IA/MOD returned 12500 crores from their budget because they (apparently) couldn't spend it.

www.indiatoday.in

Defence Ministry to return Rs 12,500 crore unused funds amid procurement delays

The Centre allocated Rs 6,81,210 crore for the defence budget for 2025-26, up from last year's outlay of Rs 6,21,940 crore. However, the Defence Ministry is expected to return Rs 12,500 crore from its 2024-25 budget due to delays in the procurement process.
www.indiatoday.in www.indiatoday.in

I mean, Armasen Tactical Plate carriers cost ~4,000 INR. If we bought 5,00,000 pieces, then it costs 2,000 crores.

With plenty left for NVG's, Integrated knee pad trousers, ballistic helmets, camo paint, sights for battle rifles etc etc etc..

Just for half of that money returned, we could have modernized our SF and frontline troops and the remaining maybe use it on procuring artillery and heavy weaponry. These are all short term procurement stuff and should've been done easily.
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Exactly, We are no longer capital starved. Money is not the problem anymore. Nor is the human resource. Currently our bottleneck is execution because of the bygone era work culture.
 
maximus777 said:
Has been since Kargil days. Nearly 3 decades and it has not been addressed. Pussyfooting at best!! God forbid, if LAC heats up, I cant imagine the beating we 'll take. Previous govts have been imbeciles but our maha purush "sashakt bharat" wala seems to have done woeful ittle about it in 12 years!! Dont even get me started on MRFA. If not for Parrikar we wouldn't have those precious 36 Rafales either.
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The chandigarh lobby killed parrikar and rawat. The maha purush is let down by these imbeciles who just know how to show up at a golf course.
 
notaname said:
Not possible with Pakistan and anger in India is different, it's now final that we will surely respond it's the only reason Pakistan is mobilizing that much armed forces and equipment to border, they were already pinched by funds but now they have to spend mobilizing.

Only question is when we will take action, we never take performative strikes, if you have some anecdotes then please mention.
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The 2016 strike was performative, in the sense that India conducted raids similar to what were conducted many times in the past, but with the difference that GOI went public with the cross loc strike.. This had a psychological effect on Pakistan Army, although the damage itself was minimal. This created deterrence for 3 years.

Then, after a bigger attack in Pulwama, India had to up the ante with another public strike. India did with a strike on internationally recognised Pakistani territory in Balakote.. Now although there is not enough hard satellite evidence (except pixelation errors confused as missile entry points.. as we see black squares on the edge of the roof, in an exact straight line, that appear on expanding a low resolution satellite image ).. even if a number of terrorists were killed, the damage was not extensive in the sense that these were expendables.. The real message was in the fact that India had for the first time conducted an air strike on the sovereign territory of another nuclear power.. So, this was also in a sense performative, as there was no crippling damage to the Pakistani military machine. But, yes, this restored some deterrence and it held until the gruesome killings of Baisaran..

Now, for India to restore deterrence the conventional strike will have to be a lot harder than 2016 or Balakote.. It would have to be psychologically crippling for the Pakistan Army..
 
Adibot said:
Man
I just hope denuclearisation of Pakistan happens
Can't let these vermins threaten us with nukes anymore
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De-fanging operations cannot be done with the air force we have. It will require legitimate stealth bombers and also coordinated strikes, including decoy teams from various directions.
If we do de-fanging, we have to rope in the Israelis, who are experts at such things. Furthermore, Unca Shyam has to be taken into confidence, am quite sure Dolund would also like Pakistan de-fanged and boast about his "great jets" which took part and "led" the "overwhelmingly successful" operations.
In short - de-nuclearisation/de-fanging op is almost off the table - am almost sure.

The max that India will do is vaporise all known terror camps, through a sustained bombing campaign.
 
MasterChief said:
The 2016 strike was performative, in the sense that India conducted raids similar to what were conducted many times in the past, but with the difference that GOI went public with the cross loc strike.. This created deterrence for 3 years.

Then, after a bigger attack in Pulwama, India had to up the ante with another public strike. India did with a strike on internationally recognised Pakistani territory in Balakote.. Now although there is not enough hard satellite evidence (except pixelation errors confused as missile entry points.. as we see black squares on the edge of the roof, in an exact straight line, that appear on expanding a low resolution satellite image ).. even if a number of terrorists were killed, the damage was not extensive in the sense that these were expendables.. The real message was in the fact that India had for the first time conducted an air strike on the sovereign territory of another nuclear power.. So, this was also in a sense performative, as there was no crippling damage to the Pakistani military machine. But, yes, this restored some deterrence and it held until the gruesome killings of Baisaran..

Now, for India to restore deterrence the conventional strike will have to be a lot harder than 2016 or Balakote.. It would have to be psychologically crippling for the Pakistan Army..
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Ok you meant performative like that, I took it like only for the show not for deterrence, but from whatever I could understand by seeing all previous strikes and actions.

This time particularly is different either it is psy ops or we are going for a final show and this will be sustained for longer and will provide us longer deterrence than whatever we had till now.
 
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jor_se_bolo_pkmkb said:
Something should happen tonight, or maximum by tomorrow night.

1.)President is back today
a.) Assures no worries about the safety of her plane en route Delhi
b.) She can issue necessary orders being CIC

2.)Flurry of meetings today, seemingly ominious
a.) With Talibs & Afghans
b) CDS with RM
c) DG BSF with RM
d) RM with PM
e) Many many more that i would have missed


3.)Kind of sweet spot in terms of timing.
a.) Time enough to activate well established plans, swiftly move pieces in place
b.) Emergency help arrived from friendlies
c.) Enemy expected immediate retaliation - window closed, or expects in 10-12 days as per previous patterns - precede that. Slight element of surprise. They would still be expecting us to test their defences for another few days before actual attack
d.) Emotions still raw - troops would be charged up and baying for blood.


Of course, this is conjecture and could be spectacularly wrong
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Exactly what help has arrived from friendlies? Russia, Isreal and France have emptied their armoury in current conflicts and would be keeping their remaining stock for contingencies. Not much help can be expected from US anyways.
 
spikey360 said:
The problem is, the more we delay, the more the element of surprise is lost, the more chance for greater casualties on our side.
We could have delivered a pin prick to the heart had we been a bit more prompt, but now, nothing less than a sledgehammer to the chest will be delivered.
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Nope it doesn't work like that.. as the article mentioned india is gathering more concrete intelligence nd NIA is burning mid night oil to make a strong case against paxtan..

For us indian we all know that paxtan is behind it.. but when we have to attack terrorist state paxtan.. we need to build a strong case naming nd shaming paxtan with all proves of it's dirty hand behind this horrific attack..

Element of surprise is always there for attacker whole attacks first..whole paxtan is on high alert anticipating an attack.. but it just don't know when will india attack nd most importantly how will india attack nd where it will attack..

Jaldi bazi ka kaam shaitan ka hota h.. so keep calm nd wait for the imminent attack.. we attacked paxtan after 12 days of pulwama..
 
Numero said:
India has none? Dammm.. How they've managed with such a low budget?
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jokes aside , pak makes more effective use of their funds than us .
 
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