Pahalgam Islamic Terror Attack

Do you think a Military response going to happen?.


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Yet another assessment that assumes Pakistan won't just beg Beijing/Washington for more money.

Money comes at a cost.
How much is Fauji Foundation willing to pay?

What you see their katora filled with is only enough to keep them alive, it doesn't bring them to 100% full power, this is not the Cold War where they will be lavished by Uncle Sam's aid moneys.
 
3 days after the terrorist attack there was no coverage on BBC
When coverage did come, it was only "YA ALLAH, KASHMIRIYO KA DHANDHA CHAUPAT HO GAYA!" with one photo of the old mother of the only green victim of the massacre crying.

I mean literally everything was about >kashmir economy down because terrorist attack
Nothing about the victims.
Nothing about how the massacre took place.

In 1-2 months god willing if the Govt decides to bring the hammer on Bakistan, the same media will paint India as doing "unprovoked aggression" on Pakistan.
Here, The govt. should ramp up its communication and bring forth the fact that J&K was heating up. But they will not do it since it will show everything is not normal. Thats why i dislike secularism brigade because they try to impose normalcy and thats exactly what the govt. is doing imposing a normalcy.

The region was getting hot. Pehlgam massacre of civilian Hindus was preceded by a series of terror attacks. So, Here the govt. is at fault for not bringing it forth and not acknowleding the fact that OGW of these terrorists exist and sympathies are still present.
 
Here, The govt. should ramp up its communication and bring forth the fact that J&K was heating up. But they will not do it since it will show everything is not normal. Thats why i dislike secularism brigade because they try to impose normalcy and thats exactly what the govt. is doing imposing a normalcy.

The region was getting hot. Pehlgam massacre of civilian Hindus was preceded by a series of terror attacks. So, Here the govt. is at fault for not bringing it forth and not acknowleding the fact that OGW of these terrorists exist and sympathies are still present.

Nothing our govt can do will change ((( international media's ))) narrative-painting, max it can be used for domestic messaging via our deshi media walas.
 
Here, The govt. should ramp up its communication and bring forth the fact that J&K was heating up. But they will not do it since it will show everything is not normal. Thats why i dislike secularism brigade because they try to impose normalcy and thats exactly what the govt. is doing imposing a normalcy.

The region was getting hot. Pehlgam massacre of civilian Hindus was preceded by a series of terror attacks. So, Here the govt. is at fault for not bringing it forth and not acknowleding the fact that OGW of these terrorists exist and sympathies are still present.

The govt along with its pet media kept downplaying all those dozen ambushes where 45+ Army personnel were killed in past 4yrs and sometimes mutilated & their pictures and videos were released.

The govt also didn't let the killing of so many civilians in jammu under mysterious circumstances come to light.

All this to save the narrative that 370 abrogation has led to normalization in Kashmir. Sab changa si.

None of my friends, colleagues, family had any idea about above incidents and when I used to show those videos... they had very difficult time accepting it.

All this to keep the ego of few people unhurt.
 
Nothing our govt can do will change ((( international media's ))) narrative-painting, max it can be used for domestic messaging via our deshi media walas.
Even it is not upto the mark.
Leaderji has done only two things that keeps islamic violence in public memory:
1. Vibhajan Vibhishika Diwas
2. Bal Bahadur Children's Day to commerate the sacrifice of two young children.

There is alot that can be done by the govt. on this front. Private individuals like us the membrans here have the limits. We can push upto an extent.


I am not even asking for international audience even domestic audience has not received proper communication.
The govt. need to officially include the long history of violence our population has been subject to in its discourse. The official channels should promote research on islamic jihad happening against us Indians. How we lost territory? How we are now called invaders? Where is the govts. will and wish. Its the congress still controlling the narrative even in our media subtly. Their should regular newsbytes around islamic excess. How secularism is in reality is harming the social fabric.

They are not even managing the domestic media. Its running surface content with high decibels. There is no depth.

The govt. has really very very bad communication. Take Hijab. Its now allowed to be part of Islamic code. Earlier in HR their was parda partha. It was eradicated by calling it as a social evil. Similarly Hijab can be cast as social evil. Where is the action against local media groups? There is no action. Exceptions are made for the special quom. Why??
 
The govt along with its pet media kept downplaying all those dozen ambushes where 45+ Army personnel were killed in past 4yrs and sometimes mutilated & their pictures and videos were released.

The govt also didn't let the killing of so many civilians in jammu under mysterious circumstances come to light.

All this to save the narrative that 370 abrogation has led to normalization in Kashmir. Sab changa si.

None of my friends, colleagues, family had any idea about above incidents and when I used to show those videos... they had very difficult time accepting it.

All this to keep the ego of few people unhurt.
Exactly. Thats the problem. The govts response now will be called disproportionate by many. Heck a few journalists were equating the kashmir with palestine. How did the govt. let it happen?? Why are not Kashmir's Hindu roots and Hindu genocide not given official recognition. The govt. should pass an official resolution commerating the various genocides faced by the Kashmiri Hindus. They need to nip it in the bud.

The communication by govt. is really really apathetic. Its only public volunteers who are doing the heavy work without any aid from govt.
 
Let me set some expectations right in this thread.

You are not going to beat Pakistan with economic warfare. Pakis run on credit lines, and any economic damage you inflict will be part of their next bheek application to Beijing or Washington, which will be promptly granted. You are not trying to wage economic war against the paki exchequer but the chicom/wignat exchequer--it's like pissing against the wind.

An erratic water supply means failed crops, which could cause some domestic political upheaval, because bheek will import food from the world food markets (there's plenty of food in the world); but the paki feudal farmer will have lighter wallets. Pakis have a very similar feudal farming system to the arthiyas of Indian Punjab. The trickle down of that bheek to peasants under each feudal farmer will be much less.

Pakistan stopped being a conventional adversary as of 1971, it is fighting textbook Islamic war. Losses are not measured in lives but territory. Pakis could attempt to encroach India, get pushed back, but as long as they're pushed back to the status quo (LC/WB/IB, whatever), the attempt is never written as a defeat in their books, no matter how many lives were lost.

The only real damage you can cause to pakis is loss of territory. Loss of territory, especially in a war they started, would have a devastating impact on the hukumat. When pakis lost territory in 1971, it was a bloodbath in West Pakistan for almost the entire decade of the 1970s--jernails and feudal families, everyone lost lives (Zia, Zulfikar Bhutto, you name it).

Any Indian response to a conflict pakis started should aim to grab territory, however small that might be, even if it means smoothing out bulges along the LC. Those dumbasses practically handed this option to us by walking away from Simla Agreement. Even telling pakis "hey look, these are the peaks and bulges we grabbed," would devastate their morale, no amount of retorting with losses of life on the Indian side will hide their cope. Establishing loss of territory as a new normal for paki gandmasti would have a deterrent effect like no other.

For there to be any meaningful peace in Kashmir, both pakis the local kashmiris need to be told that India has complete area domination, and all of their acts will be invoiced--payable in territory.

All that said, I have no clue what India is planning. Paki mobilisation is aimed to create a Parakram-like stalemate, which means at some level they realise India is going to tug at the LC and IB.

There are two factors that pakis are overplaying, exactly because they are overrated:
1. Nukes
2. Chicoms

Nukes--pakis are not going to nuke us over any ingress we make into PoK. No elaboration needed. Even the looniest mulla holding the nuclear trigger knows that starting a nuclear exchange over Kashmir only causes them to haemorrhage territory.

Chicom intervention--they will not start a hot war on paki's behalf, they will try to build-up and try to stimulate a mirror mobilisation on the Indian side that stretches Indian force thin on two fronts, but this will not result in a hot war. Chicoms swapped out at least 3 known theater commanders and had to bring in central theater command troops during Galwan. They do not dominate anything in that front.
Exactly, arguing that we need to still dominate them economically is complete retardation.

Very well explained. Now hope the 10 trillion chanting monkeys shut up.
 
The govt along with its pet media kept downplaying all those dozen ambushes where 45+ Army personnel were killed in past 4yrs and sometimes mutilated & their pictures and videos were released.

The govt also didn't let the killing of so many civilians in jammu under mysterious circumstances come to light.

All this to save the narrative that 370 abrogation has led to normalization in Kashmir. Sab changa si.

None of my friends, colleagues, family had any idea about above incidents and when I used to show those videos... they had very difficult time accepting it.

All this to keep the ego of few people unhurt.
In the end, Mudi and Shah ego was hurt..

and was hurt bigtime..after Pahalgam
 

Just yesterday one suar mantri of their was threathening to "bomb any structure that stops water from coming into pakistan"

So this seems to be a taunt to them like below

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That would be declaring a direct war on us. Those pigs will not directly attack . For how much chest thumping they do they don't really have the guts to start a direct war with us. What I think they will do is send some suicidal terrorist pigs to these infrastructure to blow up.
 
Even it is not upto the mark.
Leaderji has done only two things that keeps islamic violence in public memory:
1. Vibhajan Vibhishika Diwas
2. Bal Bahadur Children's Day to commerate the sacrifice of two young children.

There is alot that can be done by the govt. on this front. Private individuals like us the membrans here have the limits. We can push upto an extent.


I am not even asking for international audience even domestic audience has not received proper communication.
The govt. need to officially include the long history of violence our population has been subject to in its discourse. The official channels should promote research on islamic jihad happening against us Indians. How we lost territory? How we are now called invaders? Where is the govts. will and wish. Its the congress still controlling the narrative even in our media subtly. Their should regular newsbytes around islamic excess. How secularism is in reality is harming the social fabric.

They are not even managing the domestic media. Its running surface content with high decibels. There is no depth.

The govt. has really very very bad communication. Take Hijab. Its now allowed to be part of Islamic code. Earlier in HR their was parda partha. It was eradicated by calling it as a social evil. Similarly Hijab can be cast as social evil. Where is the action against local media groups? There is no action. Exceptions are made for the special quom. Why??
yes, it is true Indian state does not have such capacity.

last time in india when central govt gave unfettered access for spin doctors in power corridors, they ended up blatantly manipulating the state machinery for their own personal gains during UPA.

regular functioning governments do not have expertise in this sort of things, even U.S govt outsources these activities as we know now. spin doctors ending up being a state within the state happened in U.S too.

security states like china, egypt, turkey and pak have such tight controls, GoI cannot do it. even if they try, they will do a bad job at it. just the other day, we were discussing the superlatives used by gormint PRO in electronics thread.

this also means, there is a obvious gap between demand and supply, in case anyone has a workable solution to this problem statement, they can implement it and make money out of it too.
 
Nothing our govt can do will change ((( international media's ))) narrative-painting, max it can be used for domestic messaging via our deshi media walas.
Plus there is always the chance of them twisting acknowledgement to push so called Azad Kashmir narrative. "dekho dekho kaise hindustani hukumat k zulmo se tang ake article 370 k hatne k baad log lad rahe hain?". Nothing you do matter because they have back-up narrative ready.
 

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