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4% of gdp with current numbers would be 150bn usd+, up from current spending of about 86bn, 64 whole billion dollar isn't exactly free money.

I agree with another member about it should be capped at 100 bn for this decade (2020s).
Are bhailog, what with all of you?
India spend yearly on defense budget not on the basis of GDP but on the basis of annual budget that it generates, do you all know India previous annual budget? It was 500 billion dollars something, do maths of 80 billion dollars percentage to that.

Percentage of GDP will only matter when people will start paying taxes or taxes base is widened.
 
Hi All,
Interesting that we are looking at Chong Rocket Artillery products and salivating.
MLRS are "area" weapons, as compared to a missile or a howitzer.
It means, they can be used to flatten a general area where we expect the dushman to be.
It can also be used as a psychological/shock weapon before infantry rushes in.
I have talked to a few servicemen and they told me that a barrage of rockets is something they don't want to be at the receiving end of ever again. It was like 50 howitzer shells falling on them at the same time.

At least that is how the modern rockets started.
Soviets used Katyusha to great psychological effect in WW2, where the mere screaming sound of it used to put terror in the Farterland soldier's mind.

They used it effectively in both trench and city warfare - to devastating effect.
Rockets were also expected to be much simpler weapons in terms of manning(after WW2 and during cold war).

You have 2 folks, one driving a truck and another rocket systems operator, you stop, make positional adjustments and fire and then move.This was unlike howitzers which needed 7-10 folks.

Then someone found that larger dia rockets can extend reach as they have more fuel.
So someone like soviets started making different platforms - one with 122mm (Grad) and another with 300mm (smerch)

Somewhere during this evolution, these systems became podded to protect the rockets from elements and also do a quicker pod based replenishment/reload.

Somewhere along this evolution, rocket's masala was experimented with and we got masala with frag, masala with gas, masala with mines, masala with thermobaric/masala with FAE.

Fuses were tinkered with so the blast happens 10m above groud for max area effect.

Then came the demand for more range from the same platform( so that you don't have one platform with 122mm, 2nd with 214mm and 3rd with 300mm rockets and 4th only carrying podded missiles ( like the soviets)).
So we had platforms like HIMARS firing 227mm rockets to 610mm missiles - precision and non precision, both from same system.

Then someone(can't seem to recall if it was burger or fish &chips guys) got technology in this as well, as they found that the longer they go, the more is the CEP and their ultimate area weapons is missing the whole area itself.
For example, a 100 km range rocket can fall 1 km away from it target, if not guided.
So they put guidance into it, thereby using it as a surface to surface precision bombardment weapon.

This is where the lines blurred between rockets and missiles following normal ballistic trajectory. ( But then missiles were having an evolution of its own - on delivery mechanisms, fuels, masala, guidance and trajectory)


So they put guidance into it, thereby using it as a surface to surface precision bombardment weapon.


Now coming to Pinaka, think of it as a system( not a rocket name).
It can fire 40km unguided rocket(122mm and 214mm), 90km guided rocket(214mm), and now work is going on to extend that range.
This requires 300mm as you cannot get more range from same dia size and same fuel. Also note that putting a super duper fuel inside the same rocket will make it costly.
So what do we do - we invest in 300mm and see how much fuel it can hold and how long it will take us. I believe with different fuel and explosive masala content ratios, 300mm can take us to 180kms or nearby.

Eventually my wish is to have Pinaka offer 122mm, 214mm, 300mm guided and unguided rockets( which is already happening or being done) + also offer missile(like ATACAMS or PrSM) for special work(remember that craters in Sargodha?).

For 300-500kms target, we should not throw a BMOS, but use a Pinaka launcher with 2 pods, each carrying a 400mm-500mm missile with specialized warhead to take out a runway or a underground bunker.

Added later - So instead of having heavy and medium and light circus, it makes more sense to have a system which can do all. The moment you go above 50-60kms, anyways rockets cease to be an area weapons due to CEP.
 
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A very interesting tech here used in russo side , this same type of tech may have been used in Bhargavastra. I saw a video of defence decode in which he claimed that it has 3 different types of missiles in it.

1. Unguided

2. Guided

3. Uav

Uav is a kamakazi drone which will eliminate the hostile drone
 

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/s/s4t05TQgzj

A very interesting tech here used in russo side , this same type of tech may have been used in Bhargavastra. I saw a video of defence decode in which he claimed that it has 3 different types of missiles in it.

1. Unguided

2. Guided

3. Uav

Uav is a kamakazi drone which will eliminate the hostile drone

Do we have similar systems from any other startups? I'm curious what our other aerospace companies have when it comes to anti drone swarm systems.
 
Do we have similar systems from any other startups? I'm curious what our other aerospace companies have when it comes to anti drone swarm systems.
There are many systems
Some examples are :-
D4
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And
Zen technologies anti dron system sold to armenia
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Many are in development 300 kw dew weapons , recently developed 30 kw dew.
We have developed several and several many are being developed
 
Anons, answer me, why can't we have an Air Force variant of TEDBF i.e ORCA powered by twin RD-33 engines ?
Why to use rd33 when kaveri offers better specs in same dimension???

First of all tedbf is still in cdr stage, ccs approval would take time, mp next year and then prototype and first flight by 2030
Navy ppt slides and ada ppt slides said that tedbf would enter production by 2037-38
 
Why to use rd33 when kaveri offers better specs in same dimension???

First of all tedbf is still in cdr stage, ccs approval would take time, mp next year and then prototype and first flight by 2030
Navy ppt slides and ada ppt slides said that tedbf would enter production by 2037-38
It will take atleast a decade for Kaveri to enter series production if we start funding it seriously today

Just a thought experiment with an engine already in production
 
It will take atleast a decade for Kaveri to enter series production if we start funding it seriously today

Just a thought experiment with an engine already in production
Then maybe you havent seen the latest progress shared by shirobarks and shreedhar singh, the alloys progress is good, tbc coating has been developed, cooling holes improved, blisks made for kde, new distortion tolerant inlet fans for kde, single crystal alloys would be used
Lots of weight reduction measures underway, metal bypass duct would be replaced by polymer matric composite duct, maybe but not sure
 
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