Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

[redpanda]

once Tejas deliveries begin in full swing (give it a year) the conversation will shift from squadron shortages to whether a strength of 45 squadrons will be enough or if more are needed.

I remember reading somewhere the goal has shifted to 60 or something is it true? I don't exactly remember the content of the article.

 

[Ajatshatru]

I remember reading somewhere the goal has shifted to 60 or something is it true? I don't exactly remember the content of the article.

In the 1970s, Indian Air Force had demanded a strength of 65 squadrons, but today the requirement has been reduced to just 45. I’m not sure why—perhaps operational needs have changed, and so have the aircraft. during the 1971 war, the Indian Air Force was actually much larger than it is today.

 

[redpanda]

In the 1970s, Indian Air Force had demanded a strength of 65 squadrons, but today the requirement has been reduced to just 45. I’m not sure why—perhaps operational needs have changed, and so have the aircraft. during the 1971 war, the Indian Air Force was actually much larger than it is today.

I see. I found the article btw.

Indian Air Force Aims to have a 1000 Combat Jet fleet by 2047 – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

 

[Ajatshatru]

I see. I found the article btw.

Indian Air Force Aims to have a 1000 Combat Jet fleet by 2047 – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

When the aircrafts are being indigenously produced and the economy is strong, as is the case with India, this goal is easily achievable.

 

[Brimstone]

if an army lacks enough specialized vehicles for troop assistance their only option its to prepare ahead of time, this can have issues like their logistics and troops movement being exposed to the enemy.

But Pak is a narrow country. They don't need much time to be at the frontline on an emergency basis. But if it's from say Quetta to Karachi or Lahore, then it's a problem.

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

But Pak is a narrow country. They don't need much time to be at the frontline on an emergency basis. But if it's from say Quetta to Karachi or Lahore, then it's a problem.

it does, kashmir on their side is just as moutainous as ours, a big part of the so-called strategy involves , pak army retreating ( read fleeing) westward towards valleys in kpk and northern Balochistan, which I don't know how feasible is currently given TTP and Afghan taliban, but even if we assume these groups don't cause any issue, there logistics problem only gets worse.

 

[shade2]

once Tejas deliveries begin in full swing (give it a year) the conversation will shift from squadron shortages to whether a strength of 45 squadrons will be enough or if more are needed.

More are needed definetly, aside from squadrons, the support platforms like AWACS, ELINT & Refuellers also

 

[Nibbler]

The answer to india security problem in my opinion:


1000 nuclear warheads
10,000km mirv ICBM
First use policy with red lines are reasonable but set in stone
Maxx-ing indigenous missiles, radars, and drones

In that order.

The rest don't rly move the needle

 

[Hari Sud]

India behaves strangely sometimes that the West is not used to seeing. For example, a gora friend of mine told me that he is confused why the IAF would just bomb the runway but not the PAF’s parked air assets. The expectation in the west is that if you are going to war, take out the more expensive assets of an already poor country. They do not understand this IAF doctrine of just showing capability and then retreating. That is a weird concept for them. Hence all the unbelievability around IAF’s dominance. Indian babus come from the Soviet Union model. Both are massively bad at PR and general communications. They say things that do not appeal to the rest of the world much. Right now the world is distracted by what Trump is doing. It was perfect for Indian armed forces to destroy several expensive porki assets yet we did not do so. No one understands this strategy of the government trying to overemphasize “being fair” and “not targeting Paki military assets”. When going to war, you precisely target enemy assets that too when we have been shouting that Porki government is behind all this. And then we do something like we wont take out the porki government’s assets. No one understand this. No one.

 

[Hari Sud]

India behaves strangely sometimes that the West is not used to seeing. For example, a gora friend of mine told me that he is confused why the IAF would just bomb the runway but not the PAF’s parked air assets. The expectation in the west is that if you are going to war, take out the more expensive assets of an already poor country. They do not understand this IAF doctrine of just showing capability and then retreating. That is a weird concept for them. Hence all the unbelievability around IAF’s dominance. Indian babus come from the Soviet Union model. Both are massively bad at PR and general communications. They say things that do not appeal to the rest of the world much. Right now the world is distracted by what Trump is doing. It was perfect for Indian armed forces to destroy several expensive porki assets yet we did not do so. No one understands this strategy of the government trying to overemphasize “being fair” and “not targeting Paki military assets”. When going to war, you precisely target enemy assets that too when we have been shouting that Porki government is behind all this. And then we do something like we wont take out the porki government’s assets. No one understand this. No one.

Aircraft’s are well hidden in underground pens

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

I was crying hoarse when we stopped

This is why many western sources think that India has something to hide. These excessive claims about we controlled the escalation ladder, very precise not to hit military targets, we shared evidence etc is actually making India look weak as the west including strong allies like France, Russia, Israel do not understand any of the things we say. To them it all looks like India is just putting on a show and not serious about subduing its enemies. That and not calling out Russians. That is why pretty muted response from everywhere including from Russia. India is expected to win these battles, being the superior power. What the world wants to know is whether India has the capability to enforce peace in its own backyard. They are looking at the big picture.

Anyways I am going to sleep because PAF is awake.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

Aircraft’s are well hidden in underground pens

There were many transports and other ancillary craft visibly seen in the sat images. We did not have to take out well protected jets. We could have taken out several tankers, AWACS, generals’ transport jets, helis etc. Why are we so reluctant to take out Porki assets or salami slice and take territory? No one knows and no one understands. As a superior power, we are expected to do all that. China would exactly do that to India, not talk of escalation ladder, diplomatic evidence etc.

 

[Ajatshatru]

More are needed definetly, aside from squadrons, the support platforms like AWACS, ELINT & Refuellers also

When the AWACS, fighter jets, drones, and command-and-control systems are all indigenously made, the entire ecosystem functions as a unified, integrated force. It continuously learns, evolves, and gets upgraded over time. Indigenous development offers multiple strategic and operational advantages.

We witnessed during the recent conflict with Pakistan how the Indian Army and Air Force operated as a single cohesive unit. Drones, air defence systems, and other assets worked together in perfect harmony—like a symphony played with hundreds of different instruments.

 

[silentassassin265]

At this point 45 seems very short
Considering we have 3 fronts including kanglus we need at least 50 squadrons with atleast 5 squadron of 5th gen jet

once Tejas deliveries begin in full swing (give it a year) the conversation will shift from squadron shortages to whether a strength of 45 squadrons will be enough or if more are needed.

 

[assassin162]

Another ccp youtuber in northeast india .


View: https://x.com/Bairagi_27/status/1924029892120781014?t=VXRl1ZNEsbSqGrjGnRCXRw&s=19

Nomadic Indian that is Deepanshu Sangwan is a genuine, dil dil Hindustan guy. Should not club him with others. This would be very low.

Also, this guy is in North East because he loves north east. Infact even his fiance is Bhutanese. He has told multiple times why he wants to show North East's wonders and increase tourism there.

Whoever is trolling him to get some limelight, needs to get a life, refrain or else he/she is just going to undermine the whole thing to nothing. Har jagah sherlock homes nahi banana chahiye.

 

[assassin162]

Why India is wasting so much money on 31 US made Predator drones?It will not be useful against China,Pakistan. We are not going to use them on Maoists either.We should use this money to purchase additional air launched missile and loitering bombs.

For benchamarking, our own version of reverse engineering without calling it as reverse engineering. Basically pahle ishtemal karo phir vishwas karo (and then based on requirement, mass produce it).

Though itna nahi lena chahiye. 10~12 me bhi kaam chal sakta tha.

 

[Azaad]

View: https://twitter.com/total_woke_/status/1922839651406041520?s=19

 

[Azaad]

View: https://twitter.com/China_Fact/status/1924013646314864794?s=19

Nothing to do with the Indo Pak conflict yet everything to do with the forthcoming Indo China conflict.

 

[maximus777]

The crazy part is IAF operational command almost repeat the swift retard blunder by not conducting SEAD operations before they struck those terror bases on 7th may , it was the AD boys that handle the situation when paki jets tried to bomb our positions around jammu and northern punjab.

Thankfully they came to their senses and conducted that drone attack next day, then fucked their air bases in the coming days, India needs to fundamentally change the way we conduct these, we need to understand that pak army = pak terror orgs, attacking a terror base is basically attacking an pak army position as far as doctrine of pak army is concerned, its us who try to play nice.

It is some kind of self-inflicted hijdagiri which no one comprehends!! Decision making has to be clear cut. When we decide to go to war, go all in and inflict maximum casualty. Otherwise pull a Manmohan and send dossiers. Calibration, escalation ladder, lauda lassun does not get you anywhere. Air strikes without SEAD and after informing Pak in advance is suicidal!!! I am sure the true extent of our losses will come out in the future, but had we followed conventional logic, we could have minimized our losses and extracted a heavy price from the enemy. Why was the navy parked in the Arabian sea without a clear goal??? Can you imagine what Pramod's boys would have pulled on the sorry ass Pakis?? How the eff does demonstrating capability without actually putting that capability to good use help with anything?!?! WTF is the end goal?!?!

Dont even get me started on the abrupt ceasefire - I lost my appetite for a few days and couldn't just deal with it. All those lives lost in Pahalgam and later in Jammu in the shelling, are just numbers and mean nothing to our conscience?!?!? Just imagine what any other self-respecting nation would have done, had they been in our shoes?!?

 

[Corvus Splendens]

View: https://twitter.com/China_Fact/status/1924013646314864794?s=19

Nothing to do with the Indo Pak conflict yet everything to do with the forthcoming Indo China conflict.

See we were busy with cutting cost and corners with Tapas, trying to make it work with piston engines. And now we forgot our pants back home but we have to climb this freezing mountain. While we were busy with mostly reinventing the wheel, the chinese stole what they could and worked on it. We're taking our sweet time with HTFE and Dry Kaveri, while the chinese are flying 20 different prototypes right now. Even the Warrior had to be watered down and redesigned for the lack of a powerful engine. And SWIFT is still a scale demonstrator (publicly at-least). Unless this country becomes serious about national defense and indigenous weapons, I don't expect much. We can overkill the pakis right now, but the pakis are a joke to begin with. We need a 40-50% increase in the defense budget, with 90% of that increased amount relegated to acquisitions. DRDO needs massive funding and necessary motivation to deliver. Private players need to be roped in more and more and given guarantees of orders. All of this has been rehashed and regurgitated to death for years, yet we're still beating this dead horse.​

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