Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

[Nibbler]

Will take 20-30 years and cost $40-50 billion.The terrain is hard. People talk about 80-20 but must understand that in 1960, it would have been considered virtually impossible to divert the water. Just about theoretically feasible now but prohibitively expexpensive

20-30 years for what? Diverting all the water?

It won't take nearly that long to divert some of the water

All the water is not feasible anyway.

 

[indrajit]

20-30 years for what? Diverting all the water?

It won't take nearly that long to divert some of the water

All the water is not feasible anyway.

Even some of the water. The terrain is completely mountainous, tunnels will have to be bored. India has a right to 20% of the western rivers anyways under the IWT. Even using that has proved difficult.

 

[Nibbler]

Even some of the water. The terrain is completely mountainous, tunnels will have to be bored. India has a right to 20% of the western rivers anyways under the IWT. Even using that has proved difficult.

It doesn't take 30 years to bore some tunnels.

A 5-10% reduction in flow is significant. pakistan has serious water security issues.

 

[delta]

Tejas are designed to adopt India made engines later in their lifecycle. GE engines are stopgap. Also, We can always stockpile a dozen spare engines. Just in case.
I will not be worried about it too much.

my friend i have bad news and good news for you.

Bad News: Tejas can't carry Indian engines (for now)

• From whatever i've gathered, aircraft are designed around a specific engine. Tejas was originally intended around Kaveri but when that went nowhere, we had to bring in the GE F404 which has pretty much now become the standard.
• Mk2 will have this problem exacerbated IMO since it was not on the design board when Kaveri was an option, and will likely have F414 as the intended engine all along

Good News: We can use Indian engines in a pinch (conditions apply)

• We are close to achieving the desired parameters with the Kaveri engine to make it comparable to the F404 in performance
• However, using another engine on an aircraft entails years in testing and recertification. This of course would not be a consideration in case there is a war going on, but that will mean Tejas flying with Kaveri will carry a certain risk (until certified)
• Not just for Tejas. We have been able to refine components of the AL31 engine of our mainstay Su30, and can use them too if the need arises

There's a wonderful thread on Kaveri and GTRE's progress & learnings. Might not be the correct place, but i'm posting it regardless. we are close to achieving self-sufficiency in engine tech if we play our cards right

View: https://x.com/sakthivel_cit93/status/1925099556754358681

 

[delta]

FINALLY... the # released for Paki losses.

Paki losses in a nutshell:-

• 8 F-16s
• 1 IL-78 Tanker
• 1 ERIEYE
• 2 HQ9 units
• 4 Radars
• 1 AEWC
• 6 Bayraktar TB2
• Bachi khuchi Izzat

Poor Pakis tried to hide their LOSSES by faking news of Indian jets down and all. So Pakis not only SUFFERED HUGE LOSSES in terms of terrorists/soldiers(about 200) but also loss in Billions. Kangali mei aata geela.

Super SHREWD and Cunning US tried to sponsor and support fake narrative of Pakis by saying Indian jets were down and all within few mins of Operation Sindoor!!! US can't tolerate their F-16 downed by Rafales/SU's so got nervous and peddled fake narrative through lot of Armchair Jarnail's analysis in youtube etc. It's all good since India wanted some SOLID excuse to REJECT the overpriced F-35. No wonder US allowed IMF loans to these BHIKHARIS.

Indian Military remained calm and provided all PROOF whereas Pakis relied on their Madrasa Chaap Jihadis with "Center of Gravity" . So $3.3 Billion TEA WAS FANTASTIC!!!

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please take this information with a bucketload of salt

• information on the poster and the document don't tally
• document has used unreliable sources - idrw, france24, wiki aren't govt/operator/oem sources or even reliable OSINT sites

Both pieces seem another sensationalistic attempt at stoking the fire. While they look good on the outside, you need to scratch the surface to see it looks like a mashed up effort on similar levels of the disinformation news articles floated by the international media outlets during 7-10 may

better to wait for IAF to come out with an official release of their hits (which they will never do ) or use shiv_cybersurg's suggestion:


View: https://x.com/shiv_cybersurg/status/1925697493058129936

 

[silentassassin265]

Even some of the water. The terrain is completely mountainous, tunnels will have to be bored. India has a right to 20% of the western rivers anyways under the IWT. Even using that has proved difficult.

Why we need to divert?
Just dump all the chemicals and waste in that river

 

[TopWatcher]

We know there was a DRDO project BMD, is that project completed??
Wat the difference between project kusha and BMD?

 

[Blackjay]

document has used unreliable sources - idrw, france24, wiki aren't govt/operator/oem sources or even reliable OSINT sites

IMHO the sources in documents are just for estimating the cost of these plateforms, nothing else.
For example - approx unit cost of f-16 can be found on f-16.net.

Rest I agree with you completely...

 

[ashiii]

The entire paki focus was not on defending their territory but to get a trophy to claim victory in form of a prized asset of IAF.

You people may have read that any radar can handle so many targets at once... same way ECM/ECCM suits can handle a particular number of threats at once... the pakis might have overwhelmed a single rafale with numerous SAM & A2A launches.

Such war trophies from 1965 and 1971 are laying all over India in parks, Traffic intersections in form of Pakis tanks and planes.

Pakistanis just need something to show to their public and so far they failed in that

Pakis have a obsession (Or you can say fear) about India planes since 1965, 1971 wars. Even on 14th December 1971 when surrender of Pakistan 93000 soilders and generals was just 1 day away , their Newspapers (Dawn included) was showing headlines of 175 Indian planes hit.

 

[Fatalis]

We know there was a DRDO project BMD, is that project completed??
Wat the difference between project kusha and BMD?

IMO, it is Programme AD not Project BMD. It is spanned over 3 phases:
1. PDV and AAD
2. AD-1 and AD-2
3. AD-AH and AD-AM

Programme LRSAM (Kusha) is different from Programme AD.

PGAD is being developed to act as our strategic ballasitic missile shield against nuclear ballasitic missiles of Pakistan whereas PGLRSAM is a long range SAM system being developed to supplement S-400 system. It will act as wall against any hypersonic threat, fighter aircrafts, subsonic and supersonic cruise missiles.

 

[delta]

Such war trophies from 1965 and 1971 are laying all over India in parks, Traffic intersections in form of Pakis tanks and planes.

Pakistanis just need something to show to their public and so far they failed in that

Pakis have a obsession (Or you can say fear) about India planes since 1965, 1971 wars. Even on 14th December 1971 when surrender of Pakistan 93000 soilders and generals was just 1 day away , their Newspapers (Dawn included) was showing headlines of 175 Indian planes hit.

i don't think they failed in convincing their public. deep down pak awaam also knows pak got a solid thrashing, but they've been nurtured to block it out. hence, they'll accept any churan that aids in the process. that's what's helped them tide over past wars' losses

only a few pakis who are able to think critically have actually accepted that they were beaten (them and PAF of course). else the whole country is in an afeem-fueled rave about their own world

to those who say "let them be. their ship is sinking and they're celebrating", unfortunately the world won't let pak sink. they've taken multiple bailouts before, they'll take more in the future to keep afloat. that population is so bereft of any self-respect that it has no shame in begging repeatedly!

 

[Gyyaan]

If rafale didn't had the a2a missile that's not an issue, the real issue was unable to use countermeasures against incoming missiles.

The thing is it will be even harder for Pakistanis going forward.
Rafale with its updated threat library will be better at EW against Porki jets and PL-15.
And I still don't think Porkis got a Rafale kill.
The only evidence was a edited tail with RB001 number.

 

[haldilal]

 

[redpanda]

IMO, it is Programme AD not Project BMD. It is spanned over 3 phases:
1. PDV and AAD
2. AD-1 and AD-2
3. AD-AH and AD-AM

Programme LRSAM (Kusha) is different from Programme AD.

PGAD is being developed to act as our strategic ballasitic missile shield against nuclear ballasitic missiles of Pakistan whereas PGLRSAM is a long range SAM system being developed to supplement S-400 system. It will act as wall against any hypersonic threat, fighter aircrafts, subsonic and supersonic cruise missiles.

I'm aware that phase 1 is PDV & AAD. While AD-1 & AD-2 are phase 2. But wasn't aware there is a phase 3..How different is phase three from 2?

 

[ThE BrOkEn HeArT]

View: https://x.com/FT/status/1925729166235775481?t=f3z4cd0-pkJU_x_1MKCdCg&s=19

 

[haldilal]

View: https://x.com/i/status/1925769005979046259

 

[haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars when Memes becomes part of Google reviews there are not memes anymore,

 

[Gyyaan]

I'm aware that phase 1 is PDV & AAD. While AD-1 & AD-2 are phase 2. But wasn't aware there is a phase 3..How different is phase three from 2?

AD-AH (Supposedly a HGV/ interceptor according to some)
As AD-AM (Nothing is known except the name IIRC)

 

[iNorthernerOn9]

Tom Cooper , Bharat Karnad

Many veterans have subtly confirmed

Bathinda was a Rafale BS 001

RB series are trainers

They have even delisted the plane

Check r/IndianDefense

Also stop being in Denial like the Pakis

PAF has a good kill chain with AWACS integrated with BVR

Check Tom Cooper analysis as well

Without desh bhakti chest thumping

Bharat karnad is a Russian Dalal. Bring out one instance where he criticized Russian weaponry then I would believe him.

 

[Tumba]

Tom Cooper , Bharat Karnad

Many veterans have subtly confirmed

Bathinda was a Rafale BS 001

RB series are trainers

They have even delisted the plane

Check r/IndianDefense

Also stop being in Denial like the Pakis

PAF has a good kill chain with AWACS integrated with BVR

Check Tom Cooper analysis as well

Without desh bhakti chest thumping

Stop believing bull shit, no Rafale is shot down so called tail you see for BS001 is a fake image neither the size nor the alignment is matching.

The so called M-88 fake image dimensions are completely fcked up by the developers, M-88 looks like a toy made in chyna.

Its almost impossible to maintain a lock of even MKI over 100 kms let alone Spectra protected Rafale doesnt matter kind of platform one has, its simply the agility of jet and ECM which negates any nonsense propaganda