Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

[ezsasa]

Due to nearly 30 years of active American military, intelligence and bureaucratic presence in Pakistan ( war against Russians and then Al Qaeda ), generations of officers from both sides have created bonds that India cannot even imagine to match. And all those young guys are Generals and Secretaries now on both sides.

Whatever the American government might say or announce, the decision makers at all levels in US have a soft corner for Pakistan and will never let that slide.

Yes, India has gained rapport and respect with our growth and self reliance. But mostly it has antagonised the West, pushing them even closer to Pakistan. Nobody likes to see India move ahead and become self reliant.

Pakistan diplomacy is strongly entrenched in DC and even the military has phenomenal support from Americans. Which neither India’s resistance, nor Chinese influence has been able to shake. They even have solid network in media, educational institutes and banks in US.

Imagine US knowing everything about Pakistan - right from every single terror network operating from there, finding Osama, corruption of leaders and Generals, coups, human rights violations against minorities - and yet, never even going for a sanction against them. Never said anything, never did anything. Just ignored ! And this is the country that invaded Iraq on suspicion of WMDs.

We make these concessions and turn a blind eye only for our dearest friends.

Pakistanis may not have learnt to work hard, industrialise, educate themselves and build modern infrastructure, learn science and all that; but they’ve mastered the art of manipulation and seduction.

Pakistan might be a puny challenge in itself for present India’s military and economic might. But make no mistake - we fight Pakistan, we irk USA. No Obama, Biden or Trump can change that.

It’s not like we don’t have allies. But counting US amongst them would be a big mistake.

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was thinking about this the other day, this opinion expressed above is common among all Indians who watch this space.

one of the things that never happened, is that atleast in public discussions no Indian has ever put this question to any american knowledgeable about this topic, and let them explain their view. it's always some Indian or brown coolie, explaining India's stand to goras. how is it that our exfarts don't seek any explanations from goras on positions they hold !!!

some thing along the lines of "what is the hold that paki state has on murican state, that every time pakis are in trouble, they are bailed out?".

the line of questioning from our people is usually in the line of 'oh great white one, tell us, share us your infinite wisdom, are we doing the right thing?". the goras and their brown coolies always frame their responses, in a manner that the Indian interacting starts thinking defensive. same with brits as well.

this need not be an antagonistic interaction, but our people also need to learn to frame their questions in a better manner that elicits the info we need. minds need to be applied on how to get answers from gora/brown coolie apologists.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

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[Ajatshatru]

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I think it was a soft kill, which is why the missile landed intact. This is a significant achievement, as it will now be studied in detail to develop effective countermeasures. Chinese are likely furious with the Pakistanis over this blunder—their top-of-the-line air-to-air missiles is now in Indian hands.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

I think it was a soft kill, which is why the missile landed intact. This is a significant achievement, as it will now be studied in detail to develop effective countermeasures. Chinese are likely furious with the Pakistanis over this blunder—their top-of-the-line air-to-air missiles is now in Indian hands.

Pakistanis were complaining to the chinese that their weapons were shit and it costed them dearly.
chinese told them they were too stupid to use them the weapons worked just fine. Beggars can't be choosy.

 

[Ajatshatru]

Pakistanis were complaining to the chinese that their weapons were shit and it costed them dearly.
chinese told them they were too stupid to use them the weapons worked just fine. Beggars can't be choosy.

Chinese reverse-engineered an American Tomahawk missile that landed in Vietnam—now, ironically, their crown jewel, their best air-to-air missiles, has fallen into Indian hands. perfect opportunity to uncover its weaknesses and gain insights that could help make India’s own air-to-air missiles even more lethal.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Chinese reverse-engineered an American Tomahawk missile that landed in Vietnam—now, ironically, their crown jewel, their best air-to-air missiles, has fallen into Indian hands. perfect opportunity to uncover its weaknesses and gain insights that could help make India’s own air-to-air missiles even more lethal.

Tomwahawk was not an air to air missile. It was a cruise missile.

Indian equivalent of PL-15E would be Astra-3 (SFDR) anyway.

 

[Ajatshatru]

Afaik Indian equivalent should be astra mk2

Astra MK2 has a range of 160km, PL-15E - 145km, PL-15 (not for export) - 200km
Astra MK3 range - 340km

 

[username unkown]

Astra MK2 has a range of 160km, PL-15E - 145km, PL-15 (not for export) - 200km
Astra MK3 range - 340km

Pl 15 is dual pulse rocket same as astra mk 2
Astra mk 3 or gandiva is sfdr solid fuel ducted ramjet sometihing similar to meteor huge diff btw astra mk3 and pl 15

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Chinese reverse-engineered an American Tomahawk missile that landed in Vietnam

The tomahawk was from afghanistan ; one landed unexploded they got it sent it to
china to reverse engineer. Tomahawk is a cruise missile , PL-15E is a air -air missile.

 

[samsaptaka]

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I don't think we shot down a PL15 did we ? It was either a failed launch or shot down PAF aircraft.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

I don't think we shot down a PL15 did we ? It was either a failed launch or shot down PAF aircraft.

It failed to work . IT was all hype . The missile was on many other planes none of
them achieved any military objective. Except attack religious places like GOLDEN TEMPLE.
Khalistanis take note.

 

[Cheepek]

The India-Pakistan Conflict Is Testing the Threshold for Nuclear War
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/feat...pakistan-test-limits-of-nuclear-war-deterrent

 

[Ajatshatru]

I don't think we shot down a PL15 did we ? It was either a failed launch or shot down PAF aircraft.

It failed to work . IT was all hype . The missile was on many other planes none of
them achieved any military objective. Except attack religious places like GOLDEN TEMPLE.
Khalistanis take note.

I think the missile was jammed by an electronic warfare aircraft, which is likely why it landed intact without even detonating.

 

[Ajatshatru]

The India-Pakistan Conflict Is Testing the Threshold for Nuclear War
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/feat...pakistan-test-limits-of-nuclear-war-deterrent

In the event of an India-Pakistan war, Pakistan’s nuclear installations will be the first targets. risk of a nuclear exchange is zero—Pakistan is neither United States nor Russia, and it lacks the capability to fsafeguard its nuclear assets from Indian strikes. Launching a nuclear missile is not as simple as pressing a button.

 

[indrajit]

I think the missile was jammed by an electronic warfare aircraft, which is likely why it landed intact without even detonating.

I think that the Pakistanis were so petrified of Indian air defenses and the S-400 that they were shooting from very long distances. I don't think the Chinese will be too happy about that.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

In the event of an India-Pakistan war, Pakistan’s nuclear installations will be the first targets. risk of a nuclear exchange is zero—Pakistan is neither United States nor Russia, and it lacks the capability to fsafeguard its nuclear assets from Indian strikes. Launching a nuclear missile is not as simple as pressing a button.

many countries with advanced nuclear weapons programs do not keep their missiles
and warheads mated they are stored separately; not 1-2-3 ready to go they usually follow
a strict protocol. Most of the time they are stored in different locations.

 

[Nicky]

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One more reason why Chini were eager for the conflict to stop. The longer it dragged on, more Chini weapons would be uncovered as cheap copies dud.

Chinese military innovation are virtually zero. I don't really beleive they have genuine 5th gen fighter jet unless it's capabilities are demonstrated in battle.

US interest was preventing drowning more of their F16 and making sure Porkies nuclear bluff is not called for good.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

One more reason why Chini were eager for the conflict to stop. The longer it dragged on, more Chini weapons would be uncovered as cheap copies dud.

Chinese military innovation are virtually zero. I don't really beleive they have genuine 5th gen fighter jet unless it's capabilities are demonstrated in battle.

US interest was preventing drowning more of their F16 and making sure Porkies nuclear bluff is not called for good.

They are the cheap counterfeit capital of the world and the weapons are exactly made
the same way.

 

[Ajatshatru]

many countries will advanced nuclear weapons programs do not keep their missiles
and warheads mated they are stored separately; not 1-2-3 ready to go they usually follow
a strict protocol. Most of the time they are stored in different locations.

It’s not feasible to keep nuclear missiles in a constant state of readiness—what if one is launched accidentally, or falls into the hands of non-state actors? what if someone manages to detonate it right at the launch site?

 

[LETHALFORCE]

It’s not feasible to keep nuclear missiles in a constant state of readiness—what if one is launched accidentally, or falls into the hands of non-state actors? what if someone manages to detonate it right at the launch site?

no mature nuclear power does this ; it is a major clue that pakis MAY NOT HAVE NUKES.
When they make threats that their nukes are all stored in one place ready to go. No real
nuclear power acts like this.