Women in Armed Forces

[Vinash]

@GaudaNaresh This isn't a personal attack but an observation.

You are Bengali right? I'm not surprised with your take on women power.

All I'll say is, there's a reason why Bengal and Kerala i.e the 2 most matriarchal societies in India are the ones who'll be falling to Mullas first.

 

[Vinash]

There are scientific studies which explain and confirm the fact that women like working with people and men like working with things.

This is why men go to STEM and women go to humanities.

Men and things, women and people: a meta-analysis of sex differences in interests - PubMed

The magnitude and variability of sex differences in vocational interests were examined in the present meta-analysis for Holland's (1959, 1997) categories (Realistic, Investigative, Artistic, Social, Enterprising, and Conventional), Prediger's (1982) Things-People and Data-Ideas dimensions, and...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Women like working with people, men like working with things, all across the world

An analysis of responses of people from 42 countries on a vocational interest inventory confirmed the well-known finding that women tend to prefer jobs and activities that focus on working with people, much more than men. Men tend to prefer working with things much more than women. Women were...

www.psypost.org

Leftists and Liberals are fools who are forcefully trying to play god with gender roles.

@GaudaNaresh I agree with only 1 part of your argument i.e women have better EQ. Women evolved to survive with their mental abilities so they developed better EQ than men.

EQ is useless on the battlefield. EQ is useful when dealing with human contact like nursing etc

 

[Vinash]

there is nothing wrong with women manning AD posts, being posted in IACCS, or even being heli pilots(non combat), but yes women in combat roles, especially when our enemies are bunch of subhuman islamists is a bad idea, USSR had female troops because their enemy were NATO, heck even nazis had policy of just shooting female POWs, but I can't even imagine what these goatfuckers will do.

Men have vastly superior motor skills compared to women.

No thanks but I prefer my fighter pilots being men.

Fine Motor Precision Tasks: Sex Differences in Performance with and without Visual Guidance across Different Age Groups - PMC

Previous studies have reported certain sex differences in motor performance precision. The aim of the present study was to analyze sex differences in fine motor precision performance for both hands under different test conditions. Fine motor tasks ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[GaudaNaresh]

In that case, we should make our entire military female.

No because the job of the infantry or marines or special ops can't be done by women as well. As I said, we have overwhelming dominance in speed, strength and stamina. Women have overwhelming dominance in stress management.
They also have significant advantage in pain tolerance but that has little to no actual value in military operations- we don't need to endure shit tons of pain in line of duty like a galley Rower.

Ps: EQ is the most important quality to have in negotiation and analysis of the enemy. Reading your enemy is half the battle.

And ironically, as a former poker player who's a winning player in casinos ( it means I have made net money, not net loss through entirety of my poker time), I learnt very quickly that the woman poker player is on average 3x better than the average dude poker player. Because poker is 1/3rd luck, 1/3rd math and 1/3 reading people. And it's the latter part that's the hardest and they read men like an open book.

 

[Vinash]

No because the job of the infantry or marines or special ops can't be done by women as well. As I said, we have overwhelming dominance in speed, strength and stamina. Women have overwhelming dominance in stress management.
They also have significant advantage in pain tolerance but that has little to no actual value in military operations- we don't need to endure shit tons of pain in line of duty like a galley Rower.

Women in combat lead to more casualties due to lack of cohesion and team work.

US Defense secretary who actually served on the field would know better than you.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/lYBA9uw2cHg

 

[Anants]

@Vinash – Hey Vinash, could you please move these posts to the feminism thread?

As for my take: women should primarily be prepared for defensive roles and last-line-of-defense duties, not for offensive combat roles.

When discussing the merits or drawbacks of having women in the military, there’s one key benefit we often overlook: integrating women into the military mindset helps influence and educate other women as well. It fosters a shift in mindset, countering the self-destructive narratives often ingrained by our education system and media. Because current system narratives can lead to disempowerment and confusion, as seen in recent incidents like the one involving the Wire.

 

[Brood Father]

A state U-15 boys team defeats the US female national team with ease.

FC Dallas under-15 boys squad beat the U.S. Women's National Team in a scrimmage

The match was in preparation for Thursday's USWNT friendly versus Russia

www.cbssports.com

The same happened in Australia too where a state's U-16 boys team beat the female adult national team 7-0.

Australian women's national team lose 7-0 to team of 15-year-old boys

Australia’s women’s football team are ranked the fifth best side in world football. So how did they lose 7-0 to a collection of 15-year-old boys?

www.standard.co.uk

Adult women have less core strength than 16-17 year old boys.

Women haven't evolved to be in battle. Any poster who says women can do as well as men on the battlefield is ignoring thousands of years of human evolution.

No point discussing with GenZ idiots ..They have been fed this femenistic bullshit all their lives..they don't have iota of brain to think logically
My only and one cent on this matter ..Frontline troops can be only males in their primes . They have endurance and capability to survive hardship . Men are tough women are not DEAL WITH IT ..their is a reason why all historical Voyages have only males in it .Imagine living in a condition where there is no hygiene and constant life threatening situation with no hope of surviving who you will need ?
Women definitely have roles in combat but never as frontline troops , You don't believe me as the Navy seals selection , even after reducing physical criterias hardly any women can qualify the course

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[Vinash]

@Vinash – Hey Vinash, could you please move these posts to the feminism thread?

As for my take: women should primarily be prepared for defensive roles and last-line-of-defense duties, not for offensive combat roles.

When discussing the merits or drawbacks of having women in the military, there’s one key benefit we often overlook: integrating women into the military mindset helps influence and educate other women as well. It fosters a shift in mindset, countering the self-destructive narratives often ingrained by our education system and media. These narratives can lead to disempowerment and confusion, as seen in recent incidents like the one involving the Wire.

If you are waiting till military age i.e mid 20's, it's already too late.

School and College is where these ideological things must be taken care of. Also, what % of women are going to enter military? 0.05% of General population? A drop.

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

@Vinash – Hey Vinash, could you please move these posts to the feminism thread?

As for my take: women should primarily be prepared for defensive roles and last-line-of-defense duties, not for offensive combat roles.

When discussing the merits or drawbacks of having women in the military, there’s one key benefit we often overlook: integrating women into the military mindset helps influence and educate other women as well. It fosters a shift in mindset, countering the self-destructive narratives often ingrained by our education system and media. These narratives can lead to disempowerment and confusion, as seen in recent incidents like the one involving the Wire.

this is very important, telling girls how they have no roles in defense of the nation, makes them uninterested and reduces patriotic tendencies among women, if we gatekeep military as some boys only club, then we can't complain that women are easy pawn for enemy.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

There are scientific studies which explain and confirm the fact that women like working with people and men like working with things.

This is why men go to STEM and women go to humanities.

Men and things, women and people: a meta-analysis of sex differences in interests - PubMed

The magnitude and variability of sex differences in vocational interests were examined in the present meta-analysis for Holland's (1959, 1997) categories (Realistic, Investigative, Artistic, Social, Enterprising, and Conventional), Prediger's (1982) Things-People and Data-Ideas dimensions, and...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Women like working with people, men like working with things, all across the world

An analysis of responses of people from 42 countries on a vocational interest inventory confirmed the well-known finding that women tend to prefer jobs and activities that focus on working with people, much more than men. Men tend to prefer working with things much more than women. Women were...

www.psypost.org

Leftists and Liberals are fools who are forcefully trying to play god with gender roles.

@GaudaNaresh I agree with only 1 part of your argument i.e women have better EQ. Women evolved to survive with their mental abilities so they developed better EQ than men.

EQ is useless on the battlefield. EQ is useful when dealing with human contact like nursing etc

Yes well there are pros and cons. It's not coincidence either that kerala and Bengal have contributed the most # of great Hindu sages - shakaracharya, chanakya , Chaitanya.
Bengal-bihar ( same culture for most part in terms of women especially the maithili and anga belt) also was nexus central of universities of India.
Not to mention, Bengal literary renaissance produced literature greater than sum total of rest of India.

Now look at the opposite of bengal/kerala: pathans. The culture where women are your slaves. And where are they today ? Exactly where they were 1000 years ago. But none dare fuck with pathans or be mad enough to conquer them.

So what is the conclusion, especially if u see modern western feminism in this context ??

That a woman centric society is one of change at warp speed and thrives on finer things of life. But warp speed change is also a scattershot and u take 2 steps forward and then 2 steps backward: you get women's education and more societal support but you also get transgender nonsense.

While male centric society is definition of stuck in time-capsule warrior society where life totally sucks and no one wants to live in, but none shall dare fuck with you.

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

Yes well there are pros and cons. It's not coincidence either that kerala and Bengal have contributed the most # of great Hindu sages - shakaracharya, chanakya , Chaitanya.
Bengal-bihar ( same culture for most part in terms of women especially the maithili and anga belt) also was nexus central of universities of India.
Not to mention, Bengal literary renaissance produced literature greater than sum total of rest of India.

Now look at the opposite of bengal/kerala: pathans. The culture where women are your slaves. And where are they today ? Exactly where they were 1000 years ago. But none dare fuck with pathans or be mad enough to conquer them.

So what is the conclusion, especially if u see modern western feminism in this context ??

That a woman centric society is one of change at warp speed and thrives on finer things of life. But warp speed change is also a scattershot and u take 2 steps forward and then 2 steps backward: you get women's education and more societal support but you also get transgender nonsense.

While male centric society is definition of stuck in time-capsule warrior society where life totally sucks and no one wants to live in, but none shall dare fuck with you.

no body wants to fuck with them because its 21st century, you think if it was middle ages or before, people would have cared about these things, US if it wants can easily genocide afghan population tomorrow but thats not how warfare works anymore.

 

[Vinash]

Yes well there are pros and cons. It's not coincidence either that kerala and Bengal have contributed the most # of great Hindu sages - shakaracharya, chanakya , Chaitanya.
Bengal-bihar ( same culture for most part in terms of women especially the maithili and anga belt) also was nexus central of universities of India.
Not to mention, Bengal literary renaissance produced literature greater than sum total of rest of India.

Now look at the opposite of bengal/kerala: pathans. The culture where women are your slaves. And where are they today ? Exactly where they were 1000 years ago. But none dare fuck with pathans or be mad enough to conquer them.

So what is the conclusion, especially if u see modern western feminism in this context ??

That a woman centric society is one of change at warp speed and thrives on finer things of life. But warp speed change is also a scattershot and u take 2 steps forward and then 2 steps backward: you get women's education and more societal support but you also get transgender nonsense.

While male centric society is definition of stuck in time-capsule warrior society where life totally sucks and no one wants to live in, but none shall dare fuck with you.

Present day Bengal and Kerala don't get to rest on the laurels of their past Heroes.

Truth is, too much matriarchy and liberalism is the reason for downfall of these states and patriarchal Islam will steamroll these states if Hindus don't wake up.

BTW I agree that extreme patriarchy like Taliban is wrong too.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

no body wants to fuck with them because its 21st century, you think if it was middle ages or before, people would have cared about these things, US if it wants can easily genocide afghan population tomorrow but thats not how warfare works anymore.

Well short of genocide from the air, you can't realistically fight the pathans to conquer them. And obviously they were not easy to genocide else chinggis khan would've genocided them- he actually HATED Islam and big part of mongol empire fracturing was one of his sons line became Muslims. Turns out when you got to go shopping heads physically, It's not an easy task against extremely war like people that define ultra-male society, who also live on one of the most rugged terrain on planet earth.

Try to be objective in your analysis- if Bengal and Kerala are examples of what happens to society where women dominate, then pathans are the example of what happens to society when men dominate.
My point was, to indicate why our ancestors believed in balancing the two, not swing like an idiot monkey from one extreme to another, like west does.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

Present day Bengal and Kerala don't get to rest on the laurels of their past Heroes.

Truth is, too much matriarchy and liberalism is the reason for downfall of these states and patriarchal Islam will steamroll these states if Hindus don't wake up.

BTW I agree that extreme patriarchy like Taliban is wrong too.

This isn't resting on laurels. I am simply underscoring what happens long term in society when men dominate vs when women dominate. Even today Bengal ranks 2nd in India for book publication - second only to Hindi.

Yes, obviously women dominated society will be steam rolled by society dominated by men. But this is the classic axiom of " winning a war doesn't make you a good king and a king that forgets the difference between winning and ruling will never be a good ruler" - the male dominated society will win vs women dominant society and then eventually turn into women dominant society and fall to another male dominant society.

That is the cycle because when you have good times, Women centric societies are a lot more satisfying for humans to live in. But satisfaction breeds weakness. Which leads to bad times and societies fall...which creates the strong people you need to have to make the good times.
None can escape the cycle and we Indians should be the first people to recognize cyclic nature of this.

 

[Nicky]

What's wrong in his statement.

Instead of crying like bitches they should have fought back.

View: https://x.com/ShivAroor/status/1926538585819291737?t=nnOSR7hXB_fiGzIhoMwWtg&s=19

Society doesn't demand females defend the males.

Imagine if the roles were reversed and the males stood by and did nothing while females were assaulted.

He is technically correct but the perception is negative. Unwanted statement considering the political capital Modi has built based on response to Porkies.

 

[Nicky]

I tend to agree, we missed this US tilt to Porkies in the past few months. Not saying we should try and suck upto the orange orangutan, but we should have hit much harder while we had the chance.


View: https://x.com/Chellaney/status/1926206965287383104?t=UOd530nvtEzjmnpsxLvVBA&s=19

 

[GaudaNaresh]

@Vinash – Hey Vinash, could you please move these posts to the feminism thread?

As for my take: women should primarily be prepared for defensive roles and last-line-of-defense duties, not for offensive combat roles.

When discussing the merits or drawbacks of having women in the military, there’s one key benefit we often overlook: integrating women into the military mindset helps influence and educate other women as well. It fosters a shift in mindset, countering the self-destructive narratives often ingrained by our education system and media. Because current system narratives can lead to disempowerment and confusion, as seen in recent incidents like the one involving the Wire.

This is the genius point most men miss.
Why did chanakya say that a man born to a foreign woman will never be loyal to his country ??
Because chanakya understood one thing: it's women who drive the culture and values for the next generation : mothers have 10x the time with children than fathers in all cultures and even in the west, that number hasn't fallen below 5x.

So what this means, is the motivation of a woman and her influence is the decisive factor in shaping the values of the next generation.

And in this regard, israel is a shining eg of why they have such a strong national identity and literally are the fearsome goonda on the street- you know if u fuck with them, u will get a response 10x worse.
This is because israel had embraced women in military and national defence roles for 50+ years and while they don't do full infantry deployment for women ( coz they ain't retards), them glorifying women serving in military ensures that the next generation are supercharged in patriotism right off the gate and see military as a hallowed institution.

Ofcourse we have to mitigate risk of women in military by not doing dumb shit like make GI Jane, but the x factor of women in military leading to far more patriotic generation is a net gain in my eyes, as it is for israel.

 

[Anants]

If you are waiting till military age i.e mid 20's, it's already too late.

School and College is where these ideological things must be taken care of. Also, what % of women are going to enter military? 0.05% of General population? A drop.

Even a single drop of green can tint the entire glass of water—the same goes for mindset. It's not about sending hundreds of women into the military; it's about creating a family and social environment that’s no longer averse to the idea of their near dear ones joining the forces.

You're too focused on whether women will enter the military in large numbers. That’s unlikely to happen anytime soon, and honestly, it doesn't need to. The real value lies in the mindset shift it brings.

I was pleasantly surprised to see a retired woman Air Force officer speak with clarity and professionalism on a TV debate—something that typically came from men(including retired officers), many of whom struggled when confronted by aggressive leftist arguments from women due to 'chivalry'. Her presence was a welcome change.

This is just the beginning, and it should be encouraged. These women should be invited to speak in colleges and schools, write op-eds, and even form or join think tanks. That’s how you bring in change —not just through numbers, but through visibility, confidence, and influence in general populace.

 

[Miss Firing]

There is nothing for us to miss. US has & will always be tiled to it's bitch.

Dont know why Chellany simply says these things as though he has invented a new fact.

Irrespective of what we do, US will always come to it's bitch's help especially when there is a firefight & bitch is at the receiving side.

It does not matter what we do or "we got wind of it" earlier.

Even if we offer them bases in Andaman, Arunachal & Ladakh, they still will not abandon Pakistan.

 

[crazywithmath]

All I'll say is, there's a reason why Bengal and Kerala i.e the 2 most matriarchal societies in India are the ones who'll be falling to Mullas first.

Lmao, Bengal is the most bhagwa pilled state in the making. 5-7 years more and it might just become the next Gujarat.

And Bengal is not 'matriarchal', lol. Far from it. A handful of online intellectuals do not represent the state.

Mullas are an issue in all the states bordering kangladesh where unchecked border crossings have taken place for decades. Why does Bengal alone get singled out for it? The Assamese were running oogabooga separatist movements even as the kanglus and miyas were changing demographics in their bordering districts. Why do they get a free pass, just cuz they have started electing the BJP in recent years?

Despite all the shit ya'll throw at Kolkata intellectuals, these guys were electing Jan Sangh candidates as MPs as early as in 1951-52. Following which, the party (and its successors) dropped the ball and would not recover until after 2016...

Do you know what else is a fact? That the Maoists/Naxals (both the junglee breed and their urban backers) have drawn their elite leaders/intellectuals/cadres from the Telugu belt! I do not see you making a fuss over it either.