HAL HTFE - 25 Turbo Fan : News & Discussions

[Azaad]

After Decade, HAL Struggles to complete 25 kN thrust turbofan engine Program - Indian Defence Research Wing

SOURCE: IDRW.ORG The Hindustan Turbo Fan Engine (HTFE-25), a 25 kN thrust turbofan engine under development by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), represents a cornerstone of India’s ambition to achieve self-reliance in aerospace propulsion technology. Designed to power a variety of...

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For a program which began in ~ 2010 , I'd say certification by 2030 isn't bad by HAL standards if they eventually manage it .

Added bonus - since there are no current programs attached to it , it's being funded internally plus there's no oversight, hence no pressure to deliver, HAL is going about things in its own sweet time.

 

[Azaad]

View: https://youtu.be/7TMGF3hyoDg?si=Y1OUuPu135aPMYuV


Along with whatever we're seeing happening to the Kaveri in terms of paucity of funding , testing & calibration facilities etc this is a damning indictment of this government particularly the MoD & especially the Raksha Mantri , one of the most useless persons in the current cabinet & among the many who've held this post over the years.

 

[Satish Sharma Ji]

View: https://youtu.be/7TMGF3hyoDg?si=Y1OUuPu135aPMYuV


Along with whatever we're seeing happening to the Kaveri in terms of paucity of funding , testing & calibration facilities etc this is a damning indictment of this government particularly the MoD & especially the Raksha Mantri , one of the most useless persons in the current cabinet & among the many who've held this post over the years.

Ninja turtle is incompetent bastards with no idea whatsoever. This posts need to held by a technocrats like parikar not this ninja turtle who has no idea.

 

[NerVik]

Ok I have a question, why is the RM called kadi ninda and ninja turtle?

 

[johny_baba]

there was this,time-frame, where HTFE-25 with afterburner was being seen as a potential alternative to Adour engines on Jaguars,
but with very recent crash of Jaguar in Jamnagar, and already aging airframes, even with those so praised DARIN-III upgrades and all, is it even viable to put completed HTFE-25 + afterburner on Jaguar now to keep them flying for more 10-15 some years?
Tejas Mk1A, Tejas Mk2, and now even more Rafales would still take some years to come in good numbers so Jaguars can be retired, do note after Mig-21 retirement currently Jaguar are second most active jet fighter in the IAF service, only Su-30MKIs are topping in numbers than them

 

[Azaad]

there was this,time-frame, where HTFE-25 with afterburner was being seen as a potential alternative to Adour engines on Jaguars,
but with very recent crash of Jaguar in Jamnagar, and already aging airframes, even with those so praised DARIN-III upgrades and all, is it even viable to put completed HTFE-25 + afterburner on Jaguar now to keep them flying for more 10-15 some years?
Tejas Mk1A, Tejas Mk2, and now even more Rafales would still take some years to come in good numbers so Jaguars can be retired, do note after Mig-21 retirement currently Jaguar are second most active jet fighter in the IAF service, only Su-30MKIs are topping in numbers than them

Except ~ 60 nos Jaguars upgraded to DARIN III standards all the rest were supposed to be retired beginning 2025 , which is expected to be ~ 60-70 nos.

This was the plan just before Operation Balakot. Since then we've had Galwan & the last of the MiG-21 squadron which should come gone by 2022-23 is still around in spite of us being told they'd be retired this year.
The only silver lining is these birds aren't being flown any longer & we've only about 1.5 squadrons of them left .

Returning to the Jaguars you can expect the same story with the DARIN III expected to be retired by 2035 & the rest much before that . Let's see how things actually pan out .

 

[Azaad]

Despite Setbacks, HAL’s HTFE-25 Engine Project Aims for 2030 Production – Indian Defence Research Wing

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Just a couple of months ago the deadline for FOC was given as 2027-28. It's now been revised to 2030. Let me say even if we get it into production by then it'd be a miracle not to mention it'd be 2 decades since the program was initiated.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Not really an update, just test video.

View: https://youtu.be/h4xR0RX9WHw?si=_FgSnPsGlZYpIULa

 

[Anants]

Not really an update, just test video.

View: https://youtu.be/h4xR0RX9WHw?si=_FgSnPsGlZYpIULa

It has fluttering issues check at 1:30 flame flickering. But 2 yr old comment says that its not HTFe 25 as at that time it was only dry variant

 

[MadMax]

Ok I have a question, why is the RM called kadi ninda and ninja turtle?

In case you are still wondering. This is before Surgical Strikes.

 

[randombully]

there was this,time-frame, where HTFE-25 with afterburner was being seen as a potential alternative to Adour engines on Jaguars,
but with very recent crash of Jaguar in Jamnagar, and already aging airframes, even with those so praised DARIN-III upgrades and all, is it even viable to put completed HTFE-25 + afterburner on Jaguar now to keep them flying for more 10-15 some years?
Tejas Mk1A, Tejas Mk2, and now even more Rafales would still take some years to come in good numbers so Jaguars can be retired, do note after Mig-21 retirement currently Jaguar are second most active jet fighter in the IAF service, only Su-30MKIs are topping in numbers than them

If we follow current timeline than by 2035, then our fighter fleet by 2035.

Mainline fighters
~95 super sukhoi 30mki
~120 tejas mk2
~119 tejas mk1a( potentially 97 more tejas mk1a)
These all will be decent avionics wise for the time, though no stealth.

So 226( +potentially 97 more tejas mk1a) mainline fighters


Support fighers/ strike aircraft/ fighter bomber.
~170 sukhoi 30mki

Along with 100s of cats, bigger cats, ghatak etc stealth drones/loyal wingmans.

Jags, mig29s, Mirage will all need to be retired from service by 2035, potentially can be used as AI drone.





I would say more than enough to dominate pakis, even if they get few squads of j35( stealth).


But definitely not enough against chinks.