Indian Small Arms and Weapons (7 Viewers)

[vampyrbladez]

View: https://x.com/DRDO_India/status/1937004913361355089

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

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View: https://x.com/DRDO_India/status/1937004913361355089

There are some retards in the comment of that twitter post calling it ugly for whatever, these guys watch guntubers and think your avg american GI is using those 2500 USD kit , kept in pristine condition .

 

[johny_baba]

Bhai, ye 5.56 Insas aur 5.56 nato me kya difference hai

I'm out of reach of my 'puter to post pics and elaborate but keeping it short,

in indian situations, 5.56x45mm NATO made here is mostly 55 grain M193 and you can easily find specs on internet,

as for 5.56x45mm INSAS, bullet is slightly longer and heavier and it has more powerful propellant than NATO spec, means chamber pressure is also slightly high and when used in NATO spec firearms like Tavor, M4 etc it makes them cycle faster (also wear-tear of internal parts goes up due to that), and INSAS has some 1:78 inch of barrel twist rate to stabilise this bullet properly

it's perhaps reason why INSAS has slightly more perceived recoil in range of a common AK firing 7.62x39mm, as reported by Vladimir Onokoy who came here and test fired INSAS and commented despite being chambered in 5.56x45mm recoil is similar to an AK

now someone needs to find chamber and barrel specifications on ARDE Bharat Forge 5.56mm Carbine to determine if INSAS spec ammo could be used with it, but since its origins are from ARDE and DRDO I'm sure they would have kept it all in mind to make it fire desi ammo, otherwise kya faayda

Noob question what is the difference between a carbine and an AR? Because even some SMGs are used as carbine irrc.

don't go into semantics or such labels much, everyone has different definitions for it, like how even soviets in past labelled AK47 with a 'combat submachine gun' esque title, in past english webpage of Izhmash Arms literally listed it as a submachine gun,
then M16 is called rifle but shorter version M4 is called carbine even when in terms of overall length and barrel length it's so similar to a standard AK

 

[johny_baba]

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writing it 69420th time,
next logical step is to build an INSAS or Excalibur fork in this design of receiver chambered for 5.56x45mm INSAS spec ammo,

a fork like above but in 7.62x39mm as a competitor to AK,

also a fork like above but with heavier full length barrel, as an LMG,

and heavier, precision grade barrel and config version of Ugram as DMR,

^do these four at least and call it all successor to INSAS line

 

[johny_baba]

now someone needs to find chamber and barrel specifications on ARDE Bharat Forge 5.56mm Carbine to determine if INSAS spec ammo could be used with it, but since its origins are from ARDE and DRDO I'm sure they would have kept it all in mind to make it fire desi ammo, otherwise kya faayda

So using data available from all pamphlets posted here, i asked AI to calculate me barrel twist ratio for this DRDO-ARDE Bharat Forge made 5.56x45mm Carbine

input data =
barrel length = 300 mm (~11.8 inches)
rifling = six grooves, right hand turn, 1 turn every 200 mm
muzzle velocity = 850 m/s

result = 1:7.87 twist ratio here,

this is quite closer to INSAS' 1.78 some ratio so identical,
though AI considered muzzle velocity to be slightly higher here for standard M193 ammo for this length of barrel,

so it's highly possible that this carbine is designed around INSAS spec 5.56x45mm ammo and also compatible with 5.56x45mm NATO,
means we're getting a carbine that can easily use stockpiled INSAS ammo easily

 

[redpanda]

writing it 69420th time,
next logical step is to build an INSAS or Excalibur fork in this design of receiver chambered for 5.56x45mm INSAS spec ammo,

a fork like above but in 7.62x39mm as a competitor to AK,

also a fork like above but with heavier full length barrel, as an LMG,

and heavier, precision grade barrel and config version of Ugram as DMR,

^do these four at least and call it all successor to INSAS line

Didn't ARDE had developed one? Like that gun which could fire different calibres.

Nvm my bad it was based on AR-15.

 

[johny_baba]

Didn't ARDE had developed one? Like that gun which could fire different calibres.

yeah it was in 6.8x43mm SPC as an alternative to that MCIWS / AAR fork of assault rifle in same calibre, and 7.62x51mm one that became Ugram rifle

as far as i know in 5.56x45mm there is this carbine only, no proper assault rifle design out yet,
now's time and chance to thorougly move on to this design as INSAS successor with a series of weaponry

 

[indrajit]

...and heckin' BEL too offering some carbine now?! a desi electronics PSU offering a carbine?! better they focus in making optics instead of venturing into things they don't even have any proper understanding or experience (and apparently their offer is costliest of all, huh)

They have too much money. Most people would be shocked to know how much money that company has lying in it's bank account. There's always government pressure to put that money into some use. Only so many plants they can build...

 

[ArjunMK1A]

They have too much money. Most people would be shocked to know how much money that company has lying in it's bank account. There's always government pressure to put that money into some use. Only so many plants they can build...

They at least try to work on Consumer Electronics. Example, the can start manufacturing Bluetooth, WIFI modems for Mobile, Laptops. In this way we can build some supplier base.

But Guns were retarded idea.

 

[johny_baba]

They have too much money. Most people would be shocked to know how much money that company has lying in it's bank account. There's always government pressure to put that money into some use. Only so many plants they can build...

then those guys could/should simply collaborate with optics makers here to produce all kinds of optical sights like LPVO, modern integrated computerised optics, nightvisions and everything we lack and have to import...

they can easily start up a line of desi optics alternatives like that, bring down the cost to make it affordable to forces and make us atmanirbhar that way and that optics truly become standard issue on our firearms that now have rails atop...

 

[redpanda]

They at least try to work on Consumer Electronics. Example, the can start manufacturing Bluetooth, WIFI modems for Mobile, Laptops. In this way we can build some supplier base.

But Guns were retarded idea.

They were working on telecommunication equipment manufacturing irrc a few years back. We import a significant chunk of those equipments. BEL itself imports some of those subcomponents. They should try to localise as many of those as they can. They can do it, they have the ability & money to do it.

Though they are working on that part irrc.

Tata Electronics and Bharat Electronics Signed MoU to Advance India’s Ambition for Self-Reliance in Electronics and Semiconductors

www.tataelectronics.com

 

[ArjunMK1A]

They were working on telecommunication equipment manufacturing irrc a few years back. We import a significant chunk of those equipments. BEL itself imports some of those subcomponents. They should try to localise as many of those as they can. They can do it, they have the ability & money to do it.

Though they are working on that part irrc.

Tata Electronics and Bharat Electronics Signed MoU to Advance India’s Ambition for Self-Reliance in Electronics and Semiconductors

www.tataelectronics.com

Mobile phones have lot of sub component.

These guys should build some sensors like accelerometers, proximity sensors, etc. These are the components we are importing from China. Should buy the license and start doing the production.

 

[redpanda]

Mobile phones have lot of sub component.

These guys should build some sensors like accelerometers, proximity sensors, etc. These are the components we are importing from China. Should buy the license and start doing the production.

They should apply for this tbh under a JV with some private company

https://www.pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=2116172

According to mint, some 70 company including Tata and Dixon have applied for it so far.

 

[KarmaWeapon]

Does CQB carbine fire auto or burst only?

When I had that gun was charging handle was jammed or I forgot to put it out of safe.

I m confused

 

[mcpo117]

What is this newfound cope with this carbine? The gun is not ugly but definitely not modern by design as many have pointed out already. Couldn't even put a damn magwell in this thing. Same old fiddling with ak style reload.

 

[Magadha Naresh]

So using data available from all pamphlets posted here, i asked AI to calculate me barrel twist ratio for this DRDO-ARDE Bharat Forge made 5.56x45mm Carbine

input data =
barrel length = 300 mm (~11.8 inches)
rifling = six grooves, right hand turn, 1 turn every 200 mm
muzzle velocity = 850 m/s

result = 1:7.87 twist ratio here,

this is quite closer to INSAS' 1.78 some ratio so identical,
though AI considered muzzle velocity to be slightly higher here for standard M193 ammo for this length of barrel,

so it's highly possible that this carbine is designed around INSAS spec 5.56x45mm ammo and also compatible with 5.56x45mm NATO,
means we're getting a carbine that can easily use stockpiled INSAS ammo easily

Simple question, kya hamara insas 5.56 ammo nato ammo se zyada lethal hai ?

 

[Magadha Naresh]

What is this newfound cope with this carbine? The gun is not ugly but definitely not modern by design as many have pointed out already. Couldn't even put a damn magwell in this thing. Same old fiddling with ak style reload.

If it's reliable, it fires good and kills the enemy and can attach a scope of any kind, I see this gun as an absolute win.
And folks find it good then changa si bhai , bana to sahi kuch

( Meko pata hi nai magwell kya hai , sorry )

 

[redpanda]

What is this newfound cope with this carbine? The gun is not ugly but definitely not modern by design as many have pointed out already. Couldn't even put a damn magwell in this thing. Same old fiddling with ak style reload.

Gun is made in accordance with the choice of the user that is IA. They like these kinds of design for their own particular reasons. For example that handguard is something IA peeps like. All they care about is if the gun is reliable or not for the particular role. And this seems to clear all the trials.

People were also saying similar stuff about Ugram here last year. But what can you do when IA who is main stakeholder prefer such design.

 

[johny_baba]

What is this newfound cope with this carbine? The gun is not ugly but definitely not modern by design as many have pointed out already. Couldn't even put a damn magwell in this thing. Same old fiddling with ak style reload.

it's a kalashnikov based design that takes same INSAS pattern magazine, "magwell" is already integrated to lower receiver in this kalashnikov pattern of nose-in-rock-back pattern of magazine, there is literally no need to extend it further so it peeks out of bottom like that

unless you're switching to STANAG pattern magazines that's there on M4 and Tavor etc which necessiates some length of magwell to house a mag lock/release button there

so i ask again, what are exact complaints here that make it sooooo bad, without much wordcelling please?

 

[johny_baba]

Simple question, kya hamara insas 5.56 ammo nato ammo se zyada lethal hai ?

bola toh jata hai aisa, aur specs se lagta bhi hai ki most common M193 se toh jyada lethal hi hai,

par baki ke jo aaj ke jamane ke 5.56x45mm ammo variants hai like M855, M855A1 etc uska INSAS spec ammo le saath comparison ke liye ballistic data aur actual firing range ke results etc toh army or DRDO etc ke paas hi hoga toh woh thoda complicated hai