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Now that AoN for 12 MCMVs is granted, I'm curious how the Admirals will be able to buy pic related via the ((( RFP, Competitive Tender ))) route since there aren't any other vendors with existing minehunter mothership vessels apart from Naval Group.

All other merchants have theirs under development

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One way could be they pass this off as a WDB design by having the Naval Group guys as a "consultant" and having them share the design.
 
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liberalredditor said:
@FalconSlayers @randombully can we also send our survey ships in south xhina sea as cooperative mission with vietnam, philipines and other south east asian countries. lets do the aankh dikhana which rajnath ji says
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🗓️ November 27–30, 2020

During a virtual meeting between Indian Defence Minister Rajnath Singh and his Vietnamese counterpart Ngô Xuân Lịch, the two nations signed an Implementation Agreement (IA) on Hydrography.

This agreement allows the Indian National Hydrographic Office and Vietnam Hydrographic Office to share hydrographic data and collaborate on navigational chart production .

📜 Historical Survey Missions

Vietnam has actively participated in joint hydrographic expeditions in the SCS, particularly in the early 2000s:

In June 2000, a joint survey by Vietnam and the Philippines onboard R/V Biển Đông covered routes including Nha Trang to Manila, venturing into the Spratly Islands .

In March 2005, another joint expedition (JOMSRE‑SCS‑3) using the Philippine ship BRP Hydrographer Presbitero mapped parts of the Spratlys under a continued Vietnam–Philippines collaboration .

Again in April–May 2007, Vietnam and the Philippines conducted JOMSRE‑SCS‑4, surveying the Spratlys aboard the same vessel .
📡 Vietnam’s Own Hydrographic Vessel

The HSV‑6613 “Professor–Academician Trần Đại Nghĩa” was built from 2008–2010, and is Vietnam's first modern ocean-survey vessel .

It is outfitted for extended hydrographic missions — with 5,000 nautical mile range and 60-day deployments .

However, there's no public data confirming that this ship has since conducted independent surveys in the contested South China Sea.

🗓️ May 7–8, 2024

At the first Joint Working Group on Hydrographic Cooperation meeting, held in Ha Long Bay, India and Vietnam further deepened their commitment:

They signed an MoU establishing a Joint Working Group

Launched a training program for Vietnamese hydrographic officers in India

Agreed on the deployment of joint survey ships .

🇮🇳 India–Vietnam Hydrographic Collaboration

June 2025: India’s hydrography ship INS Darshak visited Ho Chi Minh City to reinforce cooperation under the MAHASAGAR initiative . The visit included technical demonstrations and exchanges with Vietnamese officials.





Quad Maritime Domain Awareness (MDA) Systems
The Quad routinely collaborates on sharing maritime patrol aircraft data, satellites, UAV feeds, and undersea sensors through mechanisms like COMCASA-enabled Link‑16, Information Fusion Centre‑IOR, and P‑8/MH‑60R missions .

the shared sonobuoys, seabed sensors, and hydrophone networks actively collect and fuse oceanographic, depth, and acoustic data—exactly the kind of bathymetric and environmental intelligence submarines rely on.

Quad Initiative Data Shared Relevant Use

Sonobuoys (India–US) Oceanographic + acoustic Submarine tracking, bathymetry
SOSUS‑style seabed sensors (India–Japan‑US) Seafloor acoustics Wide-area submarine detection
India–Australia tow‑array hydrophones Passive acoustic surveillance Basin-wide UDA
COMCASA Link‑16 info exchange Maritime sensor fusion Domain & subsurface awareness.






This should be more than enough info.
Our current SSBN's don't have icbm range missiles😔.
 
fire starter said:
NGD, P17B &P76 programs should be cleared immediately.

View: https://x.com/YusufDFI/status/1941011731981160642?t=OflhR43JfCYVaNLRqYbBAw&s=19

View: https://x.com/wartrophy_414/status/1940844927124230377?t=OoVw8EkqzW6QN3yW8XoDag&s=19
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NGD / P-18 class destroyers are not going to production before 2030 at least, these ships will supposedly carry, a lot of things that are still in development, like Project Kusha SAM, hypersonic missile , DEW / Lasers.

Although they should probably think about acquiring a new class of destroyers , which will be a improvement over Vizag class, better radar from DRDO, more Brahmos and SAM ( current ones carry 16 and 32 respectively ). However Navy rn has NGF ( improved nilgiri) on order along with next generation of corvettes in pipeline . NGF is certainly happening since funds are reserved for it already.
 
eastern_bhartiya said:
NGD / P-18 class destroyers are not going to production before 2030 at least, these ships will supposedly carry, a lot of things that are still in development, like Project Kusha SAM, hypersonic missile , DEW / Lasers.

Although they should probably think about acquiring a new class of destroyers , which will be a improvement over Vizag class, better radar from DRDO, more Brahmos and SAM ( current ones carry 16 and 32 respectively ). However Navy rn has NGF ( improved nilgiri) on order along with next generation of corvettes in pipeline . NGF is certainly happening since funds are reserved for it already.
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Till the time p18 comes under production, we cannot afford to stand still and wait for a decade, 3-4 vizag+ destroyers with more indigenous content should be ordered asap.
Same for p17b, their quantity should be 9-12, we need to chase plan numbers, ind navy can achieve this
 
liberalredditor said:
Till the time p18 comes under production, we cannot afford to stand still and wait for a decade, 3-4 vizag+ destroyers with more indigenous content should be ordered asap.
Same for p17b, their quantity should be 9-12, we need to chase plan numbers, ind navy can achieve this
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They will have to managed order between various PSU shipyards, rn main shipyards fir IN are mazagon and GRSE, feels like pvt shipyards should be awarded orders for lower tonnage vessels.

Navy chooses a particular type of ships along with its armament for specific purpose, keep in mind, you can't really change ships after it has been finalized on the drawing board, if a ship class gets ordered today, it means it s major design aspects are finalized 2-3 year ago, so any new thing available won't be on the ship until mid-life refit. The issue here is these shipyard usually take 2-2.5 years to launch a ship of Nilgiri class type and navy takes about 4 years to commission it, thats 6-7 years from order to service, this has to be reduced to at least 4-5 years , given chongs on avg took 3-4 years when it comes to their type 55 destroyers for the entire process.
 
eastern_bhartiya said:
They will have to managed order between various PSU shipyards, rn main shipyards fir IN are mazagon and GRSE, feels like pvt shipyards should be awarded orders for lower tonnage vessels.

Navy chooses a particular type of ships along with its armament for specific purpose, keep in mind, you can't really change ships after it has been finalized on the drawing board, if a ship class gets ordered today, it means it s major design aspects are finalized 2-3 year ago, so any new thing available won't be on the ship until mid-life refit. The issue here is these shipyard usually take 2-2.5 years to launch a ship of Nilgiri class type and navy takes about 4 years to commission it, thats 6-7 years from order to service, this has to be reduced to at least 4-5 years , given chongs on avg took 3-4 years when it comes to their type 55 destroyers for the entire process.
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chongs work 24 hours in 3 shifts, we are busy in chai samosa and sarkari work attitude. mdl has bought modular construction, but still we have got a long time to go

l&t should work on corvettes and all, rnaval pipavav at that time was doing good with small boats construction, if they were financially stable, we would be seeing frigates and destroyers in pipavav.
 
liberalredditor said:
chongs work 24 hours in 3 shifts, we are busy in chai samosa and sarkari work attitude. mdl has bought modular construction, but still we have got a long time to go

l&t should work on corvettes and all, rnaval pipavav at that time was doing good with small boats construction, if they were financially stable, we would be seeing frigates and destroyers in pipavav.
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Nope amount of hours is a very silly way to looks at it, chongs have better equipment , they have more workers and have very mature supply chains, even S.koreans and Japanese are quite fast, sometimes even faster than Chinese ones.

They use much better tech, 50%+ stuff is automated or done by industrial robots, our shipyard will need heavy investment and a mature supply chain to match them.
 
eastern_bhartiya said:
Nope amount of hours is a very silly way to looks at it, chongs have better equipment , they have more workers and have very mature supply chains, even S.koreans and Japanese are quite fast, sometimes even faster than Chinese ones.

They use much better tech, 50%+ stuff is automated or done by industrial robots, our shipyard will need heavy investment and a mature supply chain to match them.
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thats why quantity is needed when ordering, we order 3 destroyer (kkolkata), then 4 destroyers (vizag), mf order at once like 9-10 and let them prepare and get assurance so they can upgrade their production capability and standards. we have a habit of giving piece orders then doing rr that ge closed the production line of f404.
still we have time, we can match east asian production time if we go all in with the p17b, just order 9-12 units, we would need them in eastern front somehow. the experience and production upgrade of p17b would be like amrit for p18, but we should stop the we poor saar, cannot order more warships for navy saar, pension more important saar. chindi behaviour.

ngc order no should be increased too so that grse upgrades its capability, and in future navy shouldnt cry like import af does for fighters.
 
liberalredditor said:
thats why quantity is needed when ordering, we order 3 destroyer (kkolkata), then 4 destroyers (vizag), mf order at once like 9-10 and let them prepare and get assurance so they can upgrade their production capability and standards. we have a habit of giving piece orders then doing rr that ge closed the production line of f404.
still we have time, we can match east asian production time if we go all in with the p17b, just order 9-12 units, we would need them in eastern front somehow. the experience and production upgrade of p17b would be like amrit for p18, but we should stop the we poor saar, cannot order more warships for navy saar, pension more important saar. chindi behaviour.

ngc order no should be increased too so that grse upgrades its capability, and in future navy shouldnt cry like import af does for fighters.
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Navy has doctrine of having a little bit of everything, see you don't need destroyers for everything, nilgiri class was required because they are less expensive to operation for stuff like peacetime petrol or deal with houthi crisis like events. corvettes are important because they act as supplement for larger ships.

ordering 10 destroyers will leave no time for production of smaller tonnage ships which may be required in short-term basis, more shipyards are being developed , for example L&T is currently building 45k tonnage fleet support ships at their kattupalli shipyard in TN.

Matter of fact is navy needs different ships of different tonnage, the number of ships ordered from these classes reflect how navy is managing its capability requirement and capacity of our shipyards, if you order say 5 more vizag-class type ships , they would take min 5 years to enter service but they will hog the space which could have been used for 10 nilgiri type frigates.
 
eastern_bhartiya said:
Navy has doctrine of having a little bit of everything, see you don't need destroyers for everything, nilgiri class was required because they are less expensive to operation for stuff like peacetime petrol or deal with houthi crisis like events. corvettes are important because they act as supplement for larger ships.

ordering 10 destroyers will leave no time for production of smaller tonnage ships which may be required in short-term basis, more shipyards are being developed , for example L&T is currently building 45k tonnage fleet support ships at their kattupalli shipyard in TN.
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mazgaon is making another yard in nhava sheva near jnpt, they are increasing capacity, same i heard grse is going to odisha for another yard. destroyers with more cells, more tonnage and power are needed to counter the chongs one which they have rn. if we truly want to be a blue water navy, we need destroyers too in large numbers, we have mazgaon, goa, cochin, grse which have warship building capability, we can give support and auxillary ship orders to pvt shipyards like l&t hazira/kattupalli.
 
shade2 said:
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It drops sonobouoys saar, plus has a great radar as per mist_consecutive, basically it will do half the job of P8I without requiring human crew, basically continous surveillance.


Imo tracking and blasting enemy subs should be our priority till IN actually gets it's new subs in the water.



My only issue with this is since it's a ((( drone ))) the Burgers can brick it by cutting the satellite uplink.
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This is precisely why the Navy should've joined the Ghatak (Remotely Piloted Strike Aircraft) programme, mainly because:

1. They actually get shit done proactively by getting involved in projects unlike you know whos.
2. This system has an endurance >24 hours while being a fast jet powered stealth aircraft that can act as a maritime patrol and anti-ship, anti-submarine and anti-surface warfare aircraft that can control the entirety of the Indian ocean.
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It can fit both in it's both internal weapons bays, and can act as a complementary system with the Sea Guardian UCAVs which can deploy sonobuoys to detect submarines apart from other Maritime Patrol Aircrafts, and deploy light weight Shyena torpedoes. Probably can carry total 8 such torpedoes in it's internal weapons bays.


Having stealth design, it can strike any ship anywhere in the Indian Ocean without being detected, and deploy 350km range NASM-MR missiles.


if anything it's Naval usage is much more effective than the ones in future Air Force service.
 
eastern_bhartiya said:
Navy has doctrine of having a little bit of everything, see you don't need destroyers for everything, nilgiri class was required because they are less expensive to operation for stuff like peacetime petrol or deal with houthi crisis like events. corvettes are important because they act as supplement for larger ships.

ordering 10 destroyers will leave no time for production of smaller tonnage ships which may be required in short-term basis, more shipyards are being developed , for example L&T is currently building 45k tonnage fleet support ships at their kattupalli shipyard in TN.

Matter of fact is navy needs different ships of different tonnage, the number of ships ordered from these classes reflect how navy is managing its capability requirement and capacity of our shipyards, if you order say 5 more vizag-class type ships , they would take min 5 years to enter service but they will hog the space which could have been used for 10 nilgiri type frigates.
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*ahem*
P17b are planned to be "little enlarged" than p17a.
So , vizag class size( actually could be bigger, according to some news, it can cross 8000tons displacement) with more optimised design of nilgiri class, with obvious more modern systems.


But, some "budget" constraints can come, that can see them retain same size and minimal change in design.
 
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