Operation Sindoor & Aftermath (125 Viewers)

Tbh the planner had pretty good success with their original engine project. And many other things then. So they were rather optimistic about Kaveri and Tejas.

French turned out be even bigger scammer than Russians.

At least Russian weapons work when required.

View: https://x.com/Tej_Intel/status/1941527678605197543?t=6ThiJ7y7D7Ugm4oFZ8hqAA&s=19



View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1941525178925842645

Ideally we should have Lora and Rudram 1 both.
It shouldn't be an either or situation.


IAF seems to be more interested in R2 & R3 according to some reports. R2 and R3 have better guidance, better maneuverability, better speed than Air LoRA. R3 also have far superior range.

Do not fall for Paki propganda. Refale is a Great jet. We need more...

None. but it wasn't pushed under the F16 name, but as F-21.
I think it included India specific changes that enabled it to integrate into the Indian system, was the latest block of F16 and that's it.

I remember that it had conformal fuel tanks and a pylon to carry 3x missiles.
Anyway the orange langoor will force us to buy that or F-15, and neither will be delivered on time because of ((( India Specific Supply Chain Issues )))

Naah, Chindi pana is actually because of our strategic autonomy. Uncle Sam will not even let us do chindi pana. It will force its expensive made in america junk on us. We will be spending more than today and without any autonomy.

In no way being vassal of america will help us.
The kind of flexibility an indigenous system offers is unmatched — Tejas can integrate and fire every weapon in the IAF’s inventory, something Rafales can’t do. Pakistan is a different case; since it imports everything from China, compatibility isn’t an issue for them. But for India, the only viable path forward is to build a military-industrial complex as extensive as China’s — there’s no alternative.
 
He's actually one of the better moderators there with the caveat better being subjective .
Does he have the honesty to admit that the US support for Pakistan in 1971 had absolutely nothing to do with upholding democracy, freedom, secularism and liberty? Quite the opposite. It was just to intimidate India not to take further action against an American geopolitical asset.

Similarly, whatever assistance India obtained from Russia/SU had nothing to do with India upholding, promoting or propagating Russian style totalitarianism or Russian geostrategic interests. Positively not from the Indian vantage point. And the Russians never did get any missile launch sites or naval bases in India or Bangladesh.
 
Does he have the honesty to admit that the US support for Pakistan in 1971 had absolutely nothing to do with upholding democracy, freedom, secularism and liberty? Quite the opposite. It was just to intimidate India not to take further action against an American geopolitical asset.

Similarly, whatever assistance India obtained from Russia/SU had nothing to do with India upholding, promoting or propagating Russian style totalitarianism or Russian geostrategic interests. Positively not from the Indian vantage point. And the Russians never did get any missile launch sites or naval bases in India or Bangladesh.
True but my comment was for his role as a moderator not for this particular post & as I pointed out earlier it's purely subjective.
 
IAF seems to be more interested in R2 & R3 according to some reports. R2 and R3 have better guidance, better maneuverability, better speed than Air LoRA. R3 also have far superior range.
Lora is just for diversification.
Rudram 2 trials are completed and is of different category.
We will be manufacturing lora missile not just import.
 
Operation Sindoor has confirmed one thing — India possesses numerous secret capabilities that are not in the public domain. Judging by the type of loitering munitions used, it’s quite possible that the Indian Air Force also has access to weapons like the Delilah missile.


I never knew India had the capability to deploy bunker-buster munitions capable of destroying nuclear arsenals hidden deep inside fortified bunkers.
 
I remember that it had conformal fuel tanks and a pylon to carry 3x missiles.
Anyway the orange langoor will force us to buy that or F-15, and neither will be delivered on time because of ((( India Specific Supply Chain Issues )))
If we are being forced to buy can't we just buy the stuff we actually need like awecs, himars etc.
 
Based on the information available online, only United States Russia and China currently operate bunker-buster bombs, which are delivered by strategic bombers. India is suspected to possess bunker-busting capabilities, but the delivery platform remains unclear. A fighter jet can’t carry such a heavy munition, which suggests that either India has a bomber platform we don’t know about, or it has modified certain missiles to serve as bunker-busters. However, I don’t believe any missile-based bunker-buster was used during Operation Sindoor.
 
Last edited:
Based on the information available online, it only United States Russia and China currently operate bunker-buster bombs, which are delivered by strategic bombers. India is suspected to possess bunker-busting capabilities, but the delivery platform remains unclear. A fighter jet can’t carry such a heavy munition, which suggests that either India has a bomber platform we don’t know about, or it has modified certain missiles to serve as bunker-busters. However, I don’t believe any missile-based bunker-buster was used during Operation Sindoor.
If the bunker buster is a simple and heavy bomb can't we deliver using transport plane?
But sure it will require air superiority first.
 
If we are being forced to buy can't we just buy the stuff we actually need like awecs, himars
No, the US govt has to satisfy particular stakeholders like let's say Lockheed Martin. They'll channel it towards them only. These companies also lobby and bribe heavily for these opportunities be directed towards them
 
If the bunker buster is a simple and heavy bomb can't we deliver using transport plane?
But sure it will require air superiority first.
That’s exactly what I was thinking — did India modify a cargo plane to deliver bunker-buster bombs inside Pakistan? But then, how did these aircraft enter Pakistani airspace? Was Pakistan’s air defense system completely suppressed? Since India doesn’t have a stealth bomber like the B-2 Spirit, it raises questions. Regardless, now that India has developed the dry Kaveri engine, I believe it should consider developing a B-2 Spirit-style bomber powered by four dry Kaveri engines. It could be designed as an optionally manned or fully unmanned aircraft.
 
Ran another IN vs PN & PAF Scenario.
- PN launched all their anti-ship missiles when they detected IN, IA & IAF launch. PAF too launched a significant salvo initially but were also able to rearm and launch more times.
- Pakistan had access to all Chinese satellites
- Indian initial salvo was more sophisticated this time:
IN fired at least 4 brahmos at each PN ship
IAF launched brahmos & Scalp EG at Karachi Port, Karachi & Bholari airbase
IA launched land attack brahmos at Karachi Port & refinery
- This main engagement was over in 3 rounds. So no IAF Jaguars were able to launch Harpoon as they had to takeoff from Jamnagar and reach their launch points and by that time all PN ships were sunk.
- IN Composition
SAG 1 - 1x P15A [Kolkata destroyer], 2x Talwar Class Frigate [Batch 2], 1x P17 [Shivalik Class], 1x P15 [Delhi Class], 1x Type209 [Shishumar]
SAG 2 - 1x P15A [Kolkata], 1x P15 [Delhi], 1x P28 [Kamorta], 2x Talwar [Batch 2]
CBG - 2x P15B [Vishakhapatnam destroyer], 2x P17A [Nilgiri Frigate], 1x P17 [Shivalik Class], 1x P28 [Kamorta], 1x Vikrant, 1x Scorpene [Kalvari]
Independent units - 1x Scorpene, 3x Kilo
- 3x Agosta 90B submarines were provided. One was located in middle of CBG and SAG2. Another one in front of CBG and third one in front of SAG1. Since the engagement was over in 3 rounds there was no detection or counter detections. Land attack Klub are not available with Kilo submarine in CMO.
- There were AA/BVR engagements over Gujarat border and no shootdowns on either side.

Conclusions:
- In PN/PAF first counter response, YJ12A sunk 1x Talwar frigate from SAG1. In my observation Barak8 is critical, there was only 1 Barak8/MRSAM equipped ship in this SAG. It was located a bit too far towards the right of this sunk ship in the group and could not intercept a couple of YJ12As that struck. I think each SAG requires at least 2 MRSAM equipped ships. More MRSAM ships that can be added to CBG and SAG the better it is.
- PAF losses were on ground when Pasni and Karachi airbases were hit. Same with P3 at Karachi.
- Some of the Harbah anti-ship missiles had to be engaged with CIWS [AK630]
- Almost 70-75% of Pakistan missile attacks were focused on CBG. Rest were on SAG1 with SAG2 only facing minimal threat as it was located opposite Gwadar [far from Karachi]. In this scenario only F16s were based in Pasni.
- SAG-1 ran out of Barak-8s and after a ship was sunk I launched all remaining brahmos and withdrew this group. There was 1 attack on the retreating group with 2x CM400 but they were intercepted with Shtil SAM. CBG also expended more than 80% of Barak-8s.
- 16x Babur were fired on Jamnagar refinery. Refinery escaped unharmed with point defense provided by Spyder and L-70 AD guns which took down all missiles.
- Karachi port/base destroyed with brahmos
- Karachi refinery destroyed with brahmos
- Ormara naval base/pier damaged with Rampage hits
- PN Surface fleet all sunk with brahmos
- Karachi JY-27 radar destroyed with brahmos
- Karachi HQ-9B destroyed with brahmos & Rampage
- Karachi airbase damaged with brahmos & Rampage
- Pasni airbase damaged with Rampage


SIDE: INDIA
===========================================================

LOSSES:
-------------------------------
1x F 45 Teg [Talwar Class, Batch 2, Pr.1135.6]


EXPENDITURES:
------------------
1x 100mm/59 A-190 Frag
60x 40mm/70 Single Bofors Burst [4 rnds, Flycatcher Mk1 FCR]
12x 76mm/62 Compact HE Burst [4 rnds]
12x 76mm/62 Super Rapido HE Burst [2 rnds]
3x AA-11 Archer [R-73]
33x AA-12 Adder A [R-77, RVV-AE]
2x AK-630 30mm/65 Gatling Burst [400 rnds]
9x AK-630M 30mm/65 Gatling Burst [400 rnds]
8x AS-20 Kayak [Kh-35U Star]
11x Astra Mk1
1x Barak 1
186x Barak 8
4x Kavach Chaff [Long Range]
4x Kavach Chaff [Medium Range]
4x Kavach Chaff [Short Range]
4x KT-216 Chaff
60x PJ-10 BrahMos
20x PJ-10 BrahMos
14x PJ-10 BrahMos Blk II [Land-Attack]
8x PJ-10 BrahMos-A
14x Python 5 [SPYDER-MR]
22x Rampage
48x SA-21a Growler [48N6DM]
47x SA-N-12 Grizzly [9M317]
6x SA-N-7 Gadfly [9M38]
4x SCALP EG
8x Super Barricade Chaff



SIDE: PAK
===========================================================

LOSSES:
-------------------------------
2x 30mm China LD-2000 [Type 730]
1x AvGas Tank Farm (40 x 75k Liter Tank)
4x F 251 Zulfiquar [F-22P Class, Mod Type 053H3 Jiangwei II]
1x F 260 Alamgir [Perry Class]
2x F 280 Babur [Ada Class]
1x F-16CJ Blk 52+ Falcon [Peace Drive]
4x FFG 261 Tughril [Type 054A/P Jiangkai II]
6x HQ-9B TEL
2x HQ-9B TEL
2x JF-17C Thunder Blk 3 [FC-1]
2x P-3C Orion Update II
1x Radar (China JY-27A)
3x Sky Sabre [Land Ceptor]
1x Structure (Pier [Large (25.1-45m) x 1])
1x Structure (Pier [Very Large (45.1-200m) x 2])
1x Vehicle (China HT-233)
1x Vehicle (China Type 280)
1x Vehicle (Land Ceptor)


EXPENDITURES:
------------------
21x 30mm China H/PJ-12 [Type 730, 240 rnds]
3x 35mm Twin Oerlikon KDC-02 Burst [20 rnds]
2x 76mm/62 Super Rapido HE Burst [2 rnds]
8x AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM P3I.2
24x CAMM-ER
18x CH-AA-10 Abaddon [PL-15E]
34x CM-400Akg Wrecker [ASM, YJ-12 Derivative]
10x CSS-N-8 Saccade [YJ-83K]
22x Generic Chaff Rocket
2x Generic Chaff Salvo [5x Cartridges]
12x Harbah
16x Hatf 7 [700kg HE Conventional, Babur]
112x HQ-16A [SA-17 Semi-Copy]
10x HQ-7 Crotale [FM-80] Naval
63x HQ-9B
4x Mk214 Sea Gnat Chaff [Seduction]
8x Mk234 Nulka
24x Sky Sabre [Land Ceptor]
32x YJ-12A
 
Last edited:

Users who are viewing this thread

Latest Replies

Featured Content

Trending Threads

Back
Top