Operation Sindoor & Aftermath (84 Viewers)

[shade2]

Okay, I managed to find the exact article on the internet.

https://www.nytimes.com/1971/12/25/archives/pakistans-loss-a-disaster-or-a-blessing.html

@Azaad @ezsasa @shade2

This one is a rare gem. Read the copefest (penned by a gora, btw); you will not regret it!

@FalconSlayers could you recreate the meme you made back in DFI?

Think this was the template;

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Should have shared this in our secret society group Paijaan

Now the resident Pakis on this thread will have a new, rediscovered cope

"Loss of East Pakistan was good for us O cow worshipper bhakat"

Anyway thanks for posting this, atleast the more smooth-brained members will know that we cannot out mental gymnastic the western media, they will always spin Ls as Ws of their clients

 

[Tshering22]

Fuck Man..Sometimes i think our country is running bhagwan bharose....No Law and order, No justice, High Corruption and No rules and regulations...

I think this is where the civilians come into play. When we find such people revealing their details, people should take the matters into their own hands and deliver some public justice. This is easier when you're on a visit yourself and someone discloses shit like this.

It will require some next-level mental preparation to make an entire bunch of traveling people to deliver such things but imagine if the pattern of such people being "convinced" is repeatedly done across several destinations around the world; the fear factor would do a much better job than any Indian sarkari can manage to pull off.

 

[shade2]

But what job has he done??
we are discussing if Pakistan has accepted its losses.. Nothing to do with Indian losses of 'Gems' you are finding out there..

gAaand Forces generol was denying any and all losses.

Compare that to our CDS and the DefSecretary baboo.

If they haven't acknowledged theirs why are our people making such vague ass comments where they confirm but not really that "India lost jets janaab"?

Like what is the need to do this?

I was looking at some comments recently made by Donald Trump about how IAF lost 5 aircraft. I wonder why is the media giving him so much attention, considering one of his country's prime aerospace creations is eating dust and rain in Kerala's Thiruvananthapuram airport.

The Indian media should capitalize on this and double down on dissing the F-35's capabilities. Palki Sharma took some potshots but they were light and did not gain much traction across Indian media. The people did take to mock it through AI-generated memes and images.

Doordarshan should call in experts and discredit F-35 as a trillion-dollar white elephant. This was something Royal Australian Air Force commanders already voiced at the time when Australia placed orders with Lockheed Martin F-35 as a partner country.

Indian media is paid by the US lol
They only show anything pro-India when the danda of the govt falls on them silently.

 

[Asmodeus]

I am highlighting the PAF claim of zero losses, only to say that it is very very unlikely that India possesses PAF aircraft wreckage ..

But I am saying it doesn't matter to them if we have the wreckage, we had the PL15 wreckage but did they accept it was the dud?? No.. Because they had to build a narrative, accepting losses would mean they will lose their stronghold in building narrative. whether India has wreckage or not.. doesn't matter to them.

But they didn't said we had no losses in air in the first place.. they did propagenda to tell their public unofficially.

 

[crazywithmath]

"Loss of East Pakistan was good for us O cow worshipper bhakat"

Lmao, I thought I was the only one who noticed this. Pakroaches have started copying the language of piddi IT celliyas - except that their ooga booga sphagetti script does not let them pronounce properly so 'bhakt' becomes 'bhakat'/'bhagat' or something like that.

Anyway thanks for posting this, atleast the more smooth-brained members will know that we cannot out mental gymnastic the western media, they will always spin Ls as Ws of their clients

-> One giant shithole gets broken into two smaller shitholes.
-> Gora wonders whether it will benefit the (((better))) shithole.
-> 50 years on, the better shithole remains a shithole.
-> The other shithole remains a shithole.

 

[ezsasa]

I was looking at some comments recently made by Donald Trump about how IAF lost 5 aircraft. I wonder why is the media giving him so much attention, considering one of his country's prime aerospace creations is eating dust and rain in Kerala's Thiruvananthapuram airport.

The Indian media should capitalize on this and double down on dissing the F-35's capabilities. Palki Sharma took some potshots but they were light and did not gain much traction across Indian media. The people did take to mock it through AI-generated memes and images.

Doordarshan should call in experts and discredit F-35 as a trillion-dollar white elephant. This was something Royal Australian Air Force commanders already voiced at the time when Australia placed orders with Lockheed Martin F-35 as a partner country.

it's not just in India, orange man is saying many things about many countries on a daily basis.
media friends of democrats/CNN/NYT in respective countries are gaslighting their readers/viewers to make a case against orange man. they are building a case against trump WH for mid-terms.

fortunately for trump, democrats have their own problems, since there seems to a coup going on within democrat party by socialist democrats. all this doesn't matter to orange man anyways, since this is his last term.

better not to get into their mess.

 

[shade2]

Lmao, I thought I was the only one who noticed this. Pakroaches have started copying the language of piddi IT celliyas - except that their ooga booga sphagetti script does not let them pronounce properly so 'bhakt' becomes 'bhakat'/'bhagat' or something like that.




-> One giant shithole gets broken into two smaller shitholes.
-> Gora wonders whether it will benefit the (((better))) shithole.
-> 50 years on, the better shithole remains a shithole.
-> The other shithole remains a shithole.

No it's for a long time, since 2019 atleast i'm noticing this

I mean if the pakis typed normally you wouldn't find any difference between secular IT celliya, domestic green or pindi paki, same terms, same narratives, same slurs, same lies

Sab kch sem2sem hy janaab

 

[Adibot]

I think this is where the civilians come into play. When we find such people revealing their details, people should take the matters into their own hands and deliver some public justice. This is easier when you're on a visit yourself and someone discloses shit like this.

It will require some next-level mental preparation to make an entire bunch of traveling people to deliver such things but imagine if the pattern of such people being "convinced" is repeatedly done across several destinations around the world; the fear factor would do a much better job than any Indian sarkari can manage to pull off.

Civilians?
You mean Hindus?
Rest assured none of them have spine to come out in streets and take over to create a system that systematically break down islam in india
That paki got in here cause there's a huge islamic havala ring operating all over the world
Hindus have no such ecosystem to help them

 

[Tshering22]

Civilians?
You mean Hindus?
Rest assured none of them have spine to come out in streets and take over to create a system that systematically break down islam in india
That paki got in here cause there's a huge islamic havala ring operating all over the world
Hindus have no such ecosystem to help them

I am talking about individuals. The guy who reported this on X was informed directly by a Pakistani. Now imagine if he had come back to that place a day before leaving, after hours and kinda "addressed the problem" in the wee hours. I know this sounds like a movie, but there would have been no way he'd have been hauled in had he at least given him a harsh lesson on this.

 

[Brood Father]

Had a interesting conversation with a friend who a big time BJP supporter and a Modi right testicle.
Now we were discussing about Op Sindoor and we both converged that it was a daring operation and loss of jets if any is not something to be of big significance (although I still think we should tell the truth as rumour occupy the market which is not good for the morale )
Anyhow the major bone of contention was why did Modi cowed in front of Trump and his argument as he works in a big MNC that Modi has to think about economic situation of the country , he cares about us blah blah and Umerica is a superpower and we cannot go against it but then why stop when we were on top was my argument

He then said N word , According to him Pak was moving Nuke and America was concerned and then diplomacy started leading to ceasefire. Now here it took interesting turn when I said why are you scared of nuke and then it came out "wE caNNot kIlL miLlions oF peOPle foR a sMaLL teRRor aTTacK and nUKe wIlL dEvAstaTe aLl oF uS"
I then came to conclusion that our society as a whole is a bunch of cowards who is scared of death which is ironic in a civilization where death is not the end but a milestone for a bigger journey.
We have our excuses ready from
Economy to Nukes to we can't let millions to die and so on which is completely inline with what Modi is doing
Maybe Modi is doing what society is expecting him to do and that is be a COWARD.

 

[Noob_Saibot]

The mental gymnastics people are doing here to deny our losses is hilarious and sad at the same time.

I mean literally the CDS accepted that we had losses. There is strong evidence we lost at least 3 fighters, including one Rafale.

Is it the end of the fucking world? No!!

Did we do significant damage and showed our capabilities to hit Pakistan deep? Yes.

Could we have done more damage and hit actual assets like their AD batteries or military installations instead of runaways or buildings to drive the point home? Yes.

Should we learn from our mistakes and do proper SEAD next time? Yes.

Should we get serious increase our defence spending significantly, given the multiple threats facing us? Yes.

I am a strong believer in the Occams razor.

 

[Adibot]

The mental gymnastics people are doing here to deny our losses is hilarious and sad at the same time.

I mean literally the CDS accepted that we had losses. There is strong evidence we lost at least 3 fighters, including one Rafale.

Is it the end of the fucking world? No!!

Did we do significant damage and showed our capabilities to hit Pakistan deep? Yes.

Could we have done more damage and hit actual assets like their AD batteries or military installations instead of runaways or buildings to drive the point home? Yes.

Should we learn from our mistakes and do proper SEAD next time? Yes.

Should we get serious increase our defence spending significantly, given the multiple threats facing us? Yes.

I am a strong believer in the Occams razor.

We didn't do enough damage
We still don't have a policy for psyops and information warfare, we still don't have a functioning PR

 

[Noob_Saibot]

We didn't do enough damage
We still don't have a policy for psyops and information warfare, we still don't have a functioning PR

What we did was show them a 'trailer' , so to speak.

We did enough damage to clearly demonstrate that we could do a lot more damage if we wanted to, but chose restraint.

That was the point. However, we have now given them an opportunity to assess their weaknesses and close the gap in a way.

Make no mistake, they are doing everything to address those gaps as we speak, no doubt aided by our other enemy to the east.

We need to do everything we can to maintain conventional superiority over the jihadis as they are strengthening.

but i am sure we will sit on our arses and twiddle our thumbs, investing millions in more politically expedient efforts like caste surveys, free housing for slum dwellers amd other handouts instead.

 

[vampyrbladez]

Ramban one (post below) is most likely MIG-29 UPG

View: https://x.com/clashreport/status/1921685156332470467

View: https://x.com/VJSWRITER/status/1928805308173889644

Pampore one is most likely Mirage-2000

View: https://x.com/NewsIADN/status/1919881495344185537

View: https://x.com/Platypuss_10/status/1919875019326283845

Bathinda one is most likely Rafale due m88 engine and MICA at wreckage site

View: https://x.com/Goreunit/status/1921448314110607360

Pampore was a JF 17.

 

[Prasad]

CDS accepted damages = 5 aircrafts including Rafale, with zero losses to pakis.
We must accept that, else it's gymnastics.

Whether there are any losses or not is moot.
I have no idea why as a nation we are so hung up on losing aircrafts in a war. That's a fking loser mentality.

We simply don't care if we lost none or 1 or more.
This should never be a point of discussion when discussing about war. It's simply about objectives and whether we achieved them or not.
On that, our men graped Pakis with the whole world watching, sometimes even live, so much so that they ran to the Orange TACO buffoon to save them.

 

[Nishaanbaaz]

It's about "Raising" 20 new battalions... means 16-18k personnel... would take more than a year... possibly two... this decision has no immediate consequence.

CRPF asked for raising 35 new battalions... only 20 approved by MHA.

My reading was a transfer of existing CRPF battalions ("new" to the area), which has been considered/done in recent times already. But upon closer examination, I'm leaning towards what you said (raised from scratch) - and while you're right that it doesn't have immediate implications, it still is a significant development.

It basically tells me the Govt wants to phase out Army's internal duties in J&K in the near future and transfer them to CRPF (may or may not be a good idea); and after that they either intend to put these freed up troops to use elsewhere, or - knowing this Govt - may start culling numbers to save money

 

[craigs]

CDS accepted damages = 5 aircrafts including Rafale, with zero losses to pakis.
We must accept that, else it's gymnastics.

Whether there are any losses or not is moot.
I have no idea why as a nation we are so hung up on losing aircrafts in a war. That's a fking loser mentality.

We simply don't care if we lost none or 1 or more.
This should never be a point of discussion when discussing about war. It's simply about objectives and whether we achieved them or not.
On that, our men graped Pakis with the whole world watching, sometimes even live, so much so that they ran to the Orange TACO buffoon to save them.

Even if we lost half of IAF it would have been worth it as the jewel of PAF AD system (Nur Khan) was smoked, earthquakes in Kirana and Sargodha. Murid plastered, 13 other air bases trashed. It was glorious.

Remember we can always buy more planes. But the level of strategic loss suffered by Pakistan is incalculable.

Also, it was categorically stated that we did not lose any pilots so what is this RR about?

Say there was losses - no country in the world accepts those losses even if it is evident as daylight. Russia still does not accept the loss of Moskva was due to enemy action.

 

[vampyrbladez]

Think it through, had a PAF mirage-5 or JF-17 been shot down in Pampore then why wouldn't IAF or government be putting this out as an achievement?

Because then you would have to give a blow by blow account of every single aircraft lost on your side as well.

The Indian Army did come out acknowledging a Mirage III/V kill.

We have video and satellite imagery confirming a C 130J destroyed (Nur Khan), SAAB 2000 AWACS destroyed. F 16 destroyed (Bholari) as well as the JF 17 taken out in Pampore.






I'm not even going to go into the S400 kill at 315Km against a DA 20/ AWACS at Dinga, Gujrat Province in their airspace.

Do you see the Pakistanis coming out to acknowledge their losses? It's this Indian Gandhian retard mentality which takes a 'moral' stance.

The West knows this and thus tries to use this to deflect the ass whooping received by Pakistan.




Dolund's comments were deliberately ambiguous and came near the Monsoon Parliamentary Session after India-US trade deal stopped due to no agreement of NTBs.

 

[Interested]

Pampore was a JF 17.

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Most likely Pampore was a Mirage 2000, Batinda was Rafale and a MiG 29 either in Ramban or Akhnoor , it's not clear where the crash was .

No wreck site was large enough to be a Su 30 mKI. The MiG 29 wreck is a bit confusing because it seems like a 2 seater and the only 2 seater MIG 29's are trainers but I read somewhere they are deployed in forward bases and used for combat as well.

 

[vampyrbladez]

Most likely Pampore was a Mirage 2000, Batinda was Rafale and a MiG 29 either in Ramban or Akhnoor , it's not clear where the crash was .

No wreck site was large enough to be a Su 30 mKI. The MiG 29 wreck is a bit confusing because it seems like a 2 seater and the only 2 seater MIG 29's are trainers but I read somewhere they are deployed in forward bases and used for combat as well.

IFR probes on Mirage 2000 don't look like that. Engine was reminiscent of a RD93 and not a Snecma M53. Intake geometry matched with JF 17's DSI.





There was never any confirmed 2 seaters. From what I have observed, it seems 1 Rafale (Akilan Khurd), 1 Mig 29 (Ramban), 1 Mig 29 (Akhnoor) and 1 JF 17 (Pampore).